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Who would you prefer to take with the Washington pick?

Chriss
20
27%
Davis
5
7%
Korkmaz
2
3%
Labissiere
4
5%
Luwawu
12
16%
Rabb
12
16%
Sabonis
20
27%
 
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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1161 » by saintEscaton » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:17 pm

Yeah I'm leaning towards Bender over Brown.Davis is closing the gap, I'd take him over Chriss and he's neck in neck with Rabb but Skal is still my preference with the Wiz pick. At least one of them should be available and I don't mind either
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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1162 » by Bogyo » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:40 pm

saintEscaton wrote:Yeah I'm leaning towards Bender over Brown.Davis is closing the gap, I'd take him over Chriss and he's neck in neck with Rabb but Skal is still my preference with the Wiz pick. At least one of them should be available and I don't mind either


Same here, I guess you really have to be a professional scout (and get a bit lucky) to tell who will be the best of these 3-4 PFs who are in the Wizz pick range. I trust our scouts that much, and there might only be 1-2 available of Chriss, Rabb, Skal or Davis with the Wash pick anyways...
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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1163 » by saintEscaton » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:46 pm

Pop must be salivating over Valentine, teaming him up with Kyle SloMo Anderson would give them even more intelligent playmakers off the bench. He's more of a versatile swingman (PG in a SG's body) than an undersized SF/small ball 4. I think he's more of a Tom Izzo system player tho as a senior, Draymond was an exception he would have excelled anywhere in the league
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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1164 » by JMac1 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:52 pm

LV-Suns wrote:The more I watch Jaylen Brown play, I just don't understand why he is mocked so high in a lot of the drafts.



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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1165 » by ATTL » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:05 pm

**** Michigan state.
No to jaylen brown with our top pick.

How did Jacob poeltl look yesterday? 16&18 isn't too shabby. Sabonis had a good line too.

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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1166 » by kburry151 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:20 pm

saintEscaton wrote:Pop must be salivating over Valentine, teaming him up with Kyle SloMo Anderson would give them even more intelligent playmakers off the bench. He's more of a versatile swingman (PG in a SG's body) than an undersized SF/small ball 4. I think he's more of a Tom Izzo system player tho as a senior, Draymond was an exception he would have excelled anywhere in the league


Was Draymond really an exception though? In my opinion he's the definition of a system player. I don't think he'd be anywhere as productive on other teams. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player but has been blessed with the perfect situation. Passing to 2 of the best shooters of all time doesn't necessarily mean you're great at what you do, they just convert a high amount of his passes into assists. This might be more on topic for a different thread, but just my 2 cents.
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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1167 » by saintEscaton » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:28 pm

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saintEscaton wrote:Pop must be salivating over Valentine, teaming him up with Kyle SloMo Anderson would give them even more intelligent playmakers off the bench. He's more of a versatile swingman (PG in a SG's body) than an undersized SF/small ball 4. I think he's more of a Tom Izzo system player tho as a senior, Draymond was an exception he would have excelled anywhere in the league


Was Draymond really an exception though? In my opinion he's the definition of a system player. I don't think he'd be anywhere as productive on other teams. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player but has been blessed with the perfect situation. Passing to 2 of the best shooters of all time doesn't necessarily mean you're great at what you do, they just convert a high amount of his passes into assists. This might be more on topic for a different thread, but just my 2 cents.


Good take. But I mean the intangibles, heart and leadership just can't be taught, he plays with a chip on his shoulder and is an irreplaceable glue guy, I'm sure he could replicate his production on other teams. He impacts the game in so many ways that don't show up on the boxscore even when his shot isn't fallijg
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Post#1168 » by Qwigglez » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:39 pm

I'd take Valentine with the Wizards pick.
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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1169 » by bwgood77 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:50 pm

ATTL wrote:**** Michigan state.
No to jaylen brown with our top pick.

How did Jacob poeltl look yesterday? 16&18 isn't too shabby. Sabonis had a good line too.

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Post#1170 » by bwgood77 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:52 pm

saintEscaton wrote:Pop must be salivating over Valentine, teaming him up with Kyle SloMo Anderson would give them even more intelligent playmakers off the bench. He's more of a versatile swingman (PG in a SG's body) than an undersized SF/small ball 4. I think he's more of a Tom Izzo system player tho as a senior, Draymond was an exception he would have excelled anywhere in the league


I was already thinking I could see him ending up on the Spurs leading their second unit.
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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1171 » by saintEscaton » Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:32 am

If we go with a big with our first pick I would target Demetrius Jackson to groom under Bled he looks a clone of him
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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1172 » by Bogyo » Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:49 am

saintEscaton wrote:If we go with a big with our first pick I would target Demetrius Jackson to groom under Bled he looks a clone of him


You mean the Wash pick? I think thats a bit too high for him, and I'd rather go with a big there as well (unless our scouts see him as a clear BPA), but heck, I could even talk myself into Sabonis there if he has a good tourney. Will keep an eye on him.
Although I don't really see us getting a Booker lvl rookie (talent wise) with this pick - can't get that lucky 2 times in a row, afterall we are the Suns. :)

We really need to pick up a servicable PF (at least Queef lvl) in this draft, and this Wash pick could be it, as there are several likeable PFs could be available here. In fact this might be our only PF pick, becouse we have to go with BPA with our pick, and the Cle pick and our 2nd rounder is a total crapshoot, likely won't amount to anything.
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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1173 » by bwgood77 » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:10 pm

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saintEscaton wrote:If we go with a big with our first pick I would target Demetrius Jackson to groom under Bled he looks a clone of him


You mean the Wash pick? I think thats a bit too high for him, and I'd rather go with a big there as well (unless our scouts see him as a clear BPA), but heck, I could even talk myself into Sabonis there if he has a good tourney. Will keep an eye on him.
Although I don't really see us getting a Booker lvl rookie (talent wise) with this pick - can't get that lucky 2 times in a row, afterall we are the Suns. :)

We really need to pick up a servicable PF (at least Queef lvl) in this draft, and this Wash pick could be it, as there are several likeable PFs could be available here. In fact this might be our only PF pick, becouse we have to go with BPA with our pick, and the Cle pick and our 2nd rounder is a total crapshoot, likely won't amount to anything.


If we pass up a guy like Deyonta Davis or Marquese Chriss for another PG :no: :dontknow: :uhoh:
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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1174 » by saintEscaton » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:12 pm

I love Ingram so much, but its gunna be bittersweet when he's donning the purple n' gold . Lighting it up vs Yale on CBS
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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1175 » by saintEscaton » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:15 pm

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saintEscaton wrote:If we go with a big with our first pick I would target Demetrius Jackson to groom under Bled he looks a clone of him


You mean the Wash pick? I think thats a bit too high for him, and I'd rather go with a big there as well (unless our scouts see him as a clear BPA), but heck, I could even talk myself into Sabonis there if he has a good tourney. Will keep an eye on him.
Although I don't really see us getting a Booker lvl rookie (talent wise) with this pick - can't get that lucky 2 times in a row, afterall we are the Suns. :)

We really need to pick up a servicable PF (at least Queef lvl) in this draft, and this Wash pick could be it, as there are several likeable PFs could be available here. In fact this might be our only PF pick, becouse we have to go with BPA with our pick, and the Cle pick and our 2nd rounder is a total crapshoot, likely won't amount to anything.


If we pass up a guy like Deyonta Davis or Marquese Chriss for another PG :no: :dontknow: :uhoh:


Assumign we take Bender and land the third pick but he has an indefinite ETA. Double dipping on bigs wouldn't be a bad idea considering our lack of frontcourt depth, if Telly/Johny Badger both bolt we have a big hole.
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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1176 » by bwgood77 » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:22 pm

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Bogyo wrote:
You mean the Wash pick? I think thats a bit too high for him, and I'd rather go with a big there as well (unless our scouts see him as a clear BPA), but heck, I could even talk myself into Sabonis there if he has a good tourney. Will keep an eye on him.
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We really need to pick up a servicable PF (at least Queef lvl) in this draft, and this Wash pick could be it, as there are several likeable PFs could be available here. In fact this might be our only PF pick, becouse we have to go with BPA with our pick, and the Cle pick and our 2nd rounder is a total crapshoot, likely won't amount to anything.


If we pass up a guy like Deyonta Davis or Marquese Chriss for another PG :no: :dontknow: :uhoh:


Assumign we take Bender and land the third pick but he has an indefinite ETA. Double dipping on bigs wouldn't be a bad idea considering our lack of frontcourt depth, if Telly/Johny Badger both bolt we have a big hole.


I think we just need to stock up young PF depth and they are harder to come by than guards who seem more like a dime a dozen. I think we can get a good pg with Cleveland or 2nd round pick. If we do take guard there I hope we take Bentil later.
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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1177 » by thamadkant » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:32 pm

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kburry151 wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:Pop must be salivating over Valentine, teaming him up with Kyle SloMo Anderson would give them even more intelligent playmakers off the bench. He's more of a versatile swingman (PG in a SG's body) than an undersized SF/small ball 4. I think he's more of a Tom Izzo system player tho as a senior, Draymond was an exception he would have excelled anywhere in the league


Was Draymond really an exception though? In my opinion he's the definition of a system player. I don't think he'd be anywhere as productive on other teams. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player but has been blessed with the perfect situation. Passing to 2 of the best shooters of all time doesn't necessarily mean you're great at what you do, they just convert a high amount of his passes into assists. This might be more on topic for a different thread, but just my 2 cents.


Good take. But I mean the intangibles, heart and leadership just can't be taught, he plays with a chip on his shoulder and is an irreplaceable glue guy, I'm sure he could replicate his production on other teams. He impacts the game in so many ways that don't show up on the boxscore even when his shot isn't fallijg




Ive watched about 40 or so Warriors game this season and I agree with the notion that Green is a system player in a perfect system for his strengths.


Defensively, he is very good but not better than someone like Tristan Thompson inside the paint or better than a Matt Barnes in guarding the perimeter. But his versatility is huge. He gets away with a lot of aggressive inside play due to him being 3 to 4 inches shorter than his opponents.

Honestly... He is good passer for his position, but even I can get 3 to 4 assists a game just being at the top of the key passing to either Klay or Steph at the 3pt arc. These guys will nail shots anywhere around 30 feet. And the warriors system of quick passes and everyone moving and cutting opens up space... As long as you dont hold onto the ball a second too late... You will get a good chance of getting an assist.

I think Kerr and the team leadership will scold Warrior players for holding on the ball too long... Except Curry of course.
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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1178 » by Bogyo » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:59 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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bwgood77 wrote:
If we pass up a guy like Deyonta Davis or Marquese Chriss for another PG :no: :dontknow: :uhoh:


Assumign we take Bender and land the third pick but he has an indefinite ETA. Double dipping on bigs wouldn't be a bad idea considering our lack of frontcourt depth, if Telly/Johny Badger both bolt we have a big hole.


I think we just need to stock up young PF depth and they are harder to come by than guards who seem more like a dime a dozen. I think we can get a good pg with Cleveland or 2nd round pick. If we do take guard there I hope we take Bentil later.


Yeah, double dipping on PFs with our pick (Bender) and the Wash pick (Skal/Davis/Chriss/Rabb/Sabonis) would't be a bad idea at all.
I think at least one of the 2 we pick would become a good starter, and the other a good backup for the 4/5 spot.

A backup PG with the Cle / 2nd round pick is also a good idea. I wouldn't mind GP2 with one of those picks.

Oh, and not like we are in "danger" of picking him, but stay away from Grayson Allen, he is the lovechild of Jimmer and Adam Morrison.
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Re: 2016 Draft and College Ball 

Post#1179 » by thamadkant » Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:44 pm

If Suns fall outside the top 3... And Ingram/Simmons/Bender are out...


I would seriously consider trading that pick for a future or trade down for a young player and a late lottery pick.
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Post#1180 » by Bogyo » Sat Mar 19, 2016 8:48 pm

1UPZ wrote:If Suns fall outside the top 3... And Ingram/Simmons/Bender are out...


I would seriously consider trading that pick for a future or trade down for a young player and a late lottery pick.


Not opposed to this, as I m not enamored with Brown or Dunn - depends where do we trade down, and what else do we get for it...
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