Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

[Wilber85]

When is Lavar going to demand a Lonzo trade?

[Revived]

76ers started rebuilding same time as the Suns and yet look where their at vs where the Suns are. They haven’t gone through 3-4 coaches and they also haven’t had disgruntled players demanding trades and causing drama.

IMO, Ryan McDonough may need to be fired and replaced with Sam Hinkie.

[Revived]

Ingram couldn't play at all based on what I saw!

Pass!!

Ingram can definitely play but I’m not sure how much more of an upgrade he is over Warren.

[RaisingArizona]

76ers started rebuilding same time as the Suns and yet look where their at vs where the Suns are. They haven’t gone through 3-4 coaches and they also haven’t had disgruntled players demanding trades and causing drama.

IMO, Ryan McDonough may need to be fired and replaced with Sam Hinkie.

They hit the lottery jackpot a few times. We've had no such luck.

[sunsbum]

Ingram couldn't play at all based on what I saw!

Pass!!

Ingram can definitely play but I’m not sure how much more of an upgrade he is over Warren.

Not sure?:lol:

[Revived]

Ingram couldn't play at all based on what I saw!

Pass!!

Ingram can definitely play but I’m not sure how much more of an upgrade he is over Warren.

Not sure?:lol:

Is Ingram really that much better than Warren?

[Mulhollanddrive]

If we had Embiid we'd be the 76ers and they'd be us.

[thamadkant]

Embiid is absolutely ridiculous. It's amazing seeing a guy his size attacking off the dribble and pulling out eurosteps, dominating in the post, draining 3s, controlling the paint on defense, and distributing like he does. The only question with him is health, because the dude can straight up ball.

He is unreal truly reminds me of the Dream but might have a better shot. If he can stay healthy he is going to be unstoppable in another year or two. Heck might already be the best C in the NBA.

lol what?

Embiid is a WANNA BE Hakeem... he is mimicking Hakeem's moves and hoping he pulls it off.... he is not as agile nor as smooth as Hakeem.... And Hakeem had a shot, he had a mid range. And no doubt, Robinson, Ewing, Hakeem etc would all have a 3pt range today, because with enough training they can pull it off.


Embiid is a good player, but he is too big to pull of Hakeem's moves in a smooth way, he is jerky and uncoordinated sometimes. I watch a lot of 76ers games as well due to Simmons, who is a heck of a player... Embiid reminds you of Hakeem because he's the only one trying to mimick Hakeem. But Embiid is the next big man to dominate, he's the first Embiid.

[Saberestar]

I want Shelvin Mack. High assist percentage, short term deal. Good enough to help develop the youth and won't cost any major assets. Augustine is playing really well for the Magic and Mack is playing off the ball on the second unit.

If we can send Dudley and DJJ for Mack and Hezonja we can shed an extra +/- $9 million from the cap next off-season. Just don't think Magic need JD.

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Good idea.

Shelvin Mack is a decent PG with good size and experiencie. He would be cheap to get when the Magic get D.J. Agustine healthy again. If we can not find a better PG available I would trade for him.

But I woul prefer to not trade Dudley. He is needed as a glue guy in the locker room.

Mack for DJJ and our 2018 2nd can be enough to get him.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Not sure about Shelvin Mack being better mature age option than Mike James.

[Damkac]

76ers started rebuilding same time as the Suns and yet look where their at vs where the Suns are. They haven’t gone through 3-4 coaches and they also haven’t had disgruntled players demanding trades and causing drama.

IMO, Ryan McDonough may need to be fired and replaced with Sam Hinkie.

Suns tried to make the playoffs every season while 76ers tried to suck as much as possible every season. They had 3 top 3 picks while Suns had 0. And I think if McD was allowed to suck for many season and get as many high picks as possible he would do as well as Hinkie.

[Saberestar]

Not sure about Shelvin Mack being better mature age option than Mike James.

Both are 27 years old. I think Mack is the better player.

[NavLDO]

OK, so Part II. How to get rid of Chandler and Knight.

Option 2 - Mike Conley. Same Scenario, different team, slight number difference, as he's owed $97.5M. Yet, doubt either of our teams would go for it since Conley is 30, and the Grizzlies don't have much after him at the position, unless you count Knight.

Anyway...goal would be to consolidate, eat one salary, and move on. from there...

I'm watching the Grizz game now and they are getting thumped by freaking Indiana. They are in an interesting position in that they have plateaued as a 5-6 seed team, and outside of their 2 high priced stars, they have very little else in terms of talent or salary commitments. Short of a miracle they won't be competing any time soon, will probably do a slow fade from the playoffs as their stars deteriorate over the next 3-4 years and have an extended period of mediocrity (sound familiar?).

It's obviously difficult getting out of NBA purgatory and bad for business when youre there, which is why most Front Offices try to delay the inevitable as much as possible. But let's say MEM continue to get blitzed, their first point of order will be to try and shed that long term salary.

Conley and Gasol are still high end players, but the problem is they are on even higher end contracts. In order to convince another team to take the financial commitment, they'll have to take back lesser talent if they want shorter contracts. I guess you could say this is like the Marbury and Penny deal to NY (expensive, long term talent) for expirings and crap.

I would consider:
Conley and Gasol
For
Len ($5m expiring)
Monroe ($17m expiring)
Chandler ($12m x2)
Knight ($13m x3)

Justification for PHX financially:
We are paying Chandler and Knight $27m combined this year and next for which we aren't getting the equivalent return return in production. So in terms of swapping them for Conley, there is no major financial impact this year or next. The third year, we swap Knights $15m for a $30m contract, which would be a one-off tax paying year, but the following year he becomes expiring and with all our picks we'd likely have successor in place by then.

If you then balance Len and Monroe's expirings against Gasol's 2 years, we take on money next year which we can absorb, given Warrens cheap extension is the only one in effect. Gasol then has a player option In year three, which if he accepts just adds into the tax paying year previously discussed.

Justification for PHX rotation wise:
We straight away address our 2 major holes at starting PG and C, by adding defensively capable and offensively stabilizing veterans who are playoff tested.We run with a center rotation of Gasol/ Williams/ cheap third string pickup this year, and draft a replacement to develop in the draft by pooling our picks and getting the best available option.

Conley, Ulis, James
Booker, Daniels, Reed
Warren, Jackson, Jones
Chriss, Bender, Dudley, (Peters)
Gasol, Williams, (signee)

Memphis hit the reset button, save a butt ton of cash, Have only 2 deals extending past next season, and get a free hit on the misspent youth of Len and Knight. Happy to throw in DJJ if they want to road test him too seeing we don't appear to have the development minutes for him, either.

Great idea, IMO. They unload contracts that are 'sinking them', keeping them from signing other talent. This gives them a quick 'reset' button to 'suck' for a few years, and you may as well start this year in this draft and get a premier talent to stat off with. If we threw in the Mia pick as well, that gives them 2 rookies to build on, while we get talent to start competing now.

I like it!

[NavLDO]

OK, so Part II. How to get rid of Chandler and Knight.

Option 2 - Mike Conley. Same Scenario, different team, slight number difference, as he's owed $97.5M. Yet, doubt either of our teams would go for it since Conley is 30, and the Grizzlies don't have much after him at the position, unless you count Knight.

Anyway...goal would be to consolidate, eat one salary, and move on. from there...

I'm watching the Grizz game now and they are getting thumped by freaking Indiana. They are in an interesting position in that they have plateaued as a 5-6 seed team, and outside of their 2 high priced stars, they have very little else in terms of talent or salary commitments. Short of a miracle they won't be competing any time soon, will probably do a slow fade from the playoffs as their stars deteriorate over the next 3-4 years and have an extended period of mediocrity (sound familiar?).

It's obviously difficult getting out of NBA purgatory and bad for business when youre there, which is why most Front Offices try to delay the inevitable as much as possible. But let's say MEM continue to get blitzed, their first point of order will be to try and shed that long term salary.

Conley and Gasol are still high end players, but the problem is they are on even higher end contracts. In order to convince another team to take the financial commitment, they'll have to take back lesser talent if they want shorter contracts. I guess you could say this is like the Marbury and Penny deal to NY (expensive, long term talent) for expirings and crap.

I would consider:
Conley and Gasol
For
Len ($5m expiring)
Monroe ($17m expiring)
Chandler ($12m x2)
Knight ($13m x3)

Justification for PHX financially:
We are paying Chandler and Knight $27m combined this year and next for which we aren't getting the equivalent return return in production. So in terms of swapping them for Conley, there is no major financial impact this year or next. The third year, we swap Knights $15m for a $30m contract, which would be a one-off tax paying year, but the following year he becomes expiring and with all our picks we'd likely have successor in place by then.

If you then balance Len and Monroe's expirings against Gasol's 2 years, we take on money next year which we can absorb, given Warrens cheap extension is the only one in effect. Gasol then has a player option In year three, which if he accepts just adds into the tax paying year previously discussed.

Justification for PHX rotation wise:
We straight away address our 2 major holes at starting PG and C, by adding defensively capable and offensively stabilizing veterans who are playoff tested.We run with a center rotation of Gasol/ Williams/ cheap third string pickup this year, and draft a replacement to develop in the draft by pooling our picks and getting the best available option.

Conley, Ulis, James
Booker, Daniels, Reed
Warren, Jackson, Jones
Chriss, Bender, Dudley, (Peters)
Gasol, Williams, (signee)

Memphis hit the reset button, save a butt ton of cash, Have only 2 deals extending past next season, and get a free hit on the misspent youth of Len and Knight. Happy to throw in DJJ if they want to road test him too seeing we don't appear to have the development minutes for him, either.

This is such a lopsided trade for us. If we gave Memphis three or four first round picks then maybe they would bite. Otherwise you are sending our trash (Len, Chandler, Monroe, and Knight) and robbing them of two elite players.

Which like I just mentioned in my previous post, if we give them the Mia pick as well, and maybe we need to give them one of our youngsters as well (Chriss?? Bender??), and the 2nd Mia pick, that still leaves us with our pick this year to get a young PG to groom under Conley.

[Saberestar]

Conley and Marc Gasol are amazing players, and they are paid like that. Top 10 at PG and C.

Their value is realy high, we would have to put a lot of great picks on the table to made the Grizzlies a serious offer.

[bigfoot]

Brandon Ingram is going to be good. I would love to have

Booker, Warren, Jackson, Bender, Ingram, AYTON | Porter | DONCIC | BAMBA to build around

Rosterbating is great

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Except for the hairy fingertips

[BobbieL]

76ers started rebuilding same time as the Suns and yet look where their at vs where the Suns are. They haven’t gone through 3-4 coaches and they also haven’t had disgruntled players demanding trades and causing drama.

IMO, Ryan McDonough may need to be fired and replaced with Sam Hinkie.

Suns tried to make the playoffs every season while 76ers tried to suck as much as possible every season. They had 3 top 3 picks while Suns had 0. And I think if McD was allowed to suck for many season and get as many high picks as possible he would do as well as Hinkie.

Exactly. The Sixers went all in on the tank. The Suns didn't really go all in on the tank until maybe last year.

[bigfoot]

76ers started rebuilding same time as the Suns and yet look where their at vs where the Suns are. They haven’t gone through 3-4 coaches and they also haven’t had disgruntled players demanding trades and causing drama.

IMO, Ryan McDonough may need to be fired and replaced with Sam Hinkie.

Suns tried to make the playoffs every season while 76ers tried to suck as much as possible every season. They had 3 top 3 picks while Suns had 0. And I think if McD was allowed to suck for many season and get as many high picks as possible he would do as well as Hinkie.

Exactly. The Sixers went all in on the tank. The Suns didn't really go all in on the tank until maybe last year.

Hmm ... Houston and Boston went all in on the tank too ... or did they?

Please try to use more than one example (76ers) when attempting to support your argument for tanking. The Sixers got extremely lucky in the lottery with two number one and two number three picks. Two of those picks look like they could be possible flops (Okafur and Fultz).

[BobbieL]

Suns tried to make the playoffs every season while 76ers tried to suck as much as possible every season. They had 3 top 3 picks while Suns had 0. And I think if McD was allowed to suck for many season and get as many high picks as possible he would do as well as Hinkie.

Exactly. The Sixers went all in on the tank. The Suns didn't really go all in on the tank until maybe last year.

Hmm ... Houston and Boston went all in on the tank too ... or did they?

Please try to use more than one example (76ers) when attempting to support your argument for tanking. The Sixers got extremely lucky in the lottery with two number one and two number three picks. Two of those picks look like they could be possible flops (Okafur and Fultz).

I see the Suns as more like the Warriors, Grizzlies and Thunder than say the Sixers. More like building through the draft - maybe not top picks like the Sixers but not 10 picks and building that way. The problem is the Suns were not getting t picks for many years as they were no mans land. But now, the Suns I think have the core - and with one more solid top 5 pick and the Heat pick -- not sure what to do with all those second rounders - the Suns just need to let this youth get experience and hope to use cap space wisely

I do think they need to get a PG for Booker and the rest of the team. If the Kings are taking Knight/Monroe - I do like that Koufos/Hill suggestion.

[bigfoot]

Exactly. The Sixers went all in on the tank. The Suns didn't really go all in on the tank until maybe last year.

Hmm ... Houston and Boston went all in on the tank too ... or did they?

Please try to use more than one example (76ers) when attempting to support your argument for tanking. The Sixers got extremely lucky in the lottery with two number one and two number three picks. Two of those picks look like they could be possible flops (Okafur and Fultz).

I see the Suns as more like the Warriors, Grizzlies and Thunder than say the Sixers. More like building through the draft - maybe not top picks like the Sixers but not 10 picks and building that way. The problem is the Suns were not getting t picks for many years as they were no mans land. But now, the Suns I think have the core - and with one more solid top 5 pick and the Heat pick -- not sure what to do with all those second rounders - the Suns just need to let this youth get experience and hope to use cap space wisely

I do think they need to get a PG for Booker and the rest of the team. If the Kings are taking Knight/Monroe - I do like that Koufos/Hill suggestion.

I agree ... but again we don't absolutely need a top 5 pick ... because really who do we have that is a "solid" top 5 pick?? Our "solid" players are Booker and Warren who are mid-round picks. The Suns really need quality veterans to put next to Booker and Warren. A veteran PG is what we desperately need. Even if that means giving up a couple of our picks to get one. Let Jackson, Chriss, and Bender grow. All these 2018, 2019 picks really will not make a difference for the team for 3-4 years and we need to show Booker we are ready to win now (or by this coming offseason).