Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4

[bwoolf2]

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I would like to see the Suns give him some burn at PG he played that position alot in college and can not be worse than what we have endured this year at the position plus gives us some size there. There are no minutes for him at the wing positions so might as well see how he handles it, cant be worse than Ulis, James, and Cannan.

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I would like to see the Suns give him some burn at PG he played that position alot in college and can not be worse than what we have endured this year at the position plus gives us some size there. There are no minutes for him at the wing positions so might as well see how he handles it, cant be worse than Ulis, James, and Cannan.

Or just let Booker be PG and have Reed be SG.

[Mulhollanddrive]

How desperate are we at point guard where Brandon Knight, Isaiah Canaan, Davon Reed are seen as good options.

At some point soon we're going to need a top 15 point guard to win 45+ games.

[Blonde]

I advocated going for Tyreke last season but apparently his career was finished according to some. Funnily enough I'm not too big on him now that he can't be had for a bargain.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'm actually excited about getting Knight back next season because he gives us another shooter. He did shoot 40% from 3 in 14-15 season with the Bucks, so if he gets the starting PG spot maybe he can replicate those numbers. Also excited for Reed to make his first NBA appearance. He has all the making of a 3 and D guy and over SL appeared to be a leader. Here's hoping we got a steal in the 2nd round equivalent of Kris Middleton.

I'm hopeful that he comes in a bit humbled after watching Booker elevate his game. Hoping he decides to focus on being a team player, playing solid defense and hitting open shots. Less would be more in his case.

[Qwigglez]

I know Chandler wants to be on the West Coast, but I think come the trade deadline, he wouldn't mind going to a contending team to finish out his contract. Would you guys be cool with something like this...

Suns get-
Channing Frye

Cavs get-
Tyson Chandler
Raptors 2nd round pick

We may buy Frye out if he wants, or we can use him as an excellent mentor to Bender/Chriss. He expires after this season which is the real goal of this trade, and to give Len the starting spot at center. This move would also show that the front office is going to trust Len to be our future starter so he may be more inclined to stay with us knowing he won't lose that spot. Unless we draft a center of course. We would have about 65mil in salaries for the 18-19 season and that doesn't include rookies. We would have enough money for a max free agent.

The Cavs do this since Triston Thompson has been battling injuries this season and isn't likely in great shape. Though he probably will be come playoff time, but they could use another leader manning the middle like Tyson. Also, the money doesn't match up, however the Cavs have several TPE's so it would be a feasible trade.

Thoughts?

[Qwigglez]

I'm actually excited about getting Knight back next season because he gives us another shooter. He did shoot 40% from 3 in 14-15 season with the Bucks, so if he gets the starting PG spot maybe he can replicate those numbers. Also excited for Reed to make his first NBA appearance. He has all the making of a 3 and D guy and over SL appeared to be a leader. Here's hoping we got a steal in the 2nd round equivalent of Kris Middleton.

I'm hopeful that he comes in a bit humbled after watching Booker elevate his game. Hoping he decides to focus on being a team player, playing solid defense and hitting open shots. Less would be more in his case.

Seeing players being able to flourish later in their careers such as Oladipo, Gordon, Tyreke Evans, and even Beasley gives me hope that Knight can turn into an efficient player as well. I'm not saying much later, but these guys were all fairly inefficient in years past, so perhaps Knight did his daily yoga, zenned out while being injured and can play calmer and smarter this next season.

[NTB]

I didn't know Reed could play PG.

[LukasBMW]

Knight had all the talent to be a great 3&D PG to play alongside a dominate SG like Booker or Harden.

The problem is:

1. He has a ball-hog mindset and demands to play his way. He's said over and over again that he is a PG and "wants to play his way" which means handling the ball.

2. His ACL injury WILL hurt his lateral movement and first step which means his defense will get worse and he won't be as efficient at getting to the basket.

3. He's always been terrible at finishing in traffic or making passes in traffic. He's a turnover machine.

If we can force him into spot up shooting and he somehow manages to play solid defense after his injury, then maybe we salvage him...but I'm not holing my breath.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I know Chandler wants to be on the West Coast, but I think come the trade deadline, he wouldn't mind going to a contending team to finish out his contract. Would you guys be cool with something like this...

Suns get-
Channing Frye

Cavs get-
Tyson Chandler
Raptors 2nd round pick

We may buy Frye out if he wants, or we can use him as an excellent mentor to Bender/Chriss. He expires after this season which is the real goal of this trade, and to give Len the starting spot at center. This move would also show that the front office is going to trust Len to be our future starter so he may be more inclined to stay with us knowing he won't lose that spot. Unless we draft a center of course. We would have about 65mil in salaries for the 18-19 season and that doesn't include rookies. We would have enough money for a max free agent.

The Cavs do this since Triston Thompson has been battling injuries this season and isn't likely in great shape. Though he probably will be come playoff time, but they could use another leader manning the middle like Tyson. Also, the money doesn't match up, however the Cavs have several TPE's so it would be a feasible trade.

Thoughts?

I'd be okay attaching another second as well to make this happen, except that it can't. You can't combine TPEs, so we would need to take more salary back. Just as important, the Cavs don't want to pay additional luxury tax. If there were a third team willing to give up real value for Tristan, I could maybe see a deal coming together around that.

I like where your head is at, but it's really hard to come up with a trade where we send Tyson out and receive only expirings in return - even if we throw some second rounders in the pot. And it isn't because Tyson's not worth the money or because centers aren't in vogue. It's because most teams have an overpaid center on the roster, few teams have expirings worth shedding and we won't send Tyson where he doesn't want to be.

Without resorting to three-way fantasies (heh), I could maybe see Utah sending us Favors for Chandler and several seconds or San Antonio sending Parker. The latter especially is a stretch, given the emotional ties. With Favors, ideally, you'd find a third team to take him on.

Seeing none of these as particularly promising avenues, I think the more realistic options are (a) we buy Tyson out and bring Alex back, (b) we let Alex go and make room for another protege for Tyson, or (c) Tyson gets moved for a longer-term deal --- all of these would happen during the summer.

[RaisingArizona]

Why does Knight not travel with the team?

[Midnight_Suns]

I'm a dunce when it comes to salary. Can we afford to max Capela and Booker or will that screw us?

[LukasBMW]

Why does Knight not travel with the team?

Rehabbing the ACL is a full time job. He might have just started running again. ...or he might be limited to the special zero weight treadmill.

If I recall, the Suns were also cool with doing his rehab out of state with his own trainers.

[Mulhollanddrive]

We have space for a max.

The Center position is wierd though Capela might get 3x salary as Len but they have fairly similar production per minute.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'm a dunce when it comes to salary. Can we afford to max Capela and Booker or will that screw us?

I am not eager to offer a max contract to a player who plays the roll man to Chris Paul and James Harden in Mike D'Antoni's offense. It is highly doubtful that those stats could be reproduced on any other squad. Especially given his limited skillset, I am wary.

... I might make that offer in order to force Houston to match. Problem is, if they don't, you'll know you've been hoodwinked!

I like Len.

[Frank Lee]

can we sign and trade Len if need be?

[Qwigglez]

I know Chandler wants to be on the West Coast, but I think come the trade deadline, he wouldn't mind going to a contending team to finish out his contract. Would you guys be cool with something like this...

Suns get-
Channing Frye

Cavs get-
Tyson Chandler
Raptors 2nd round pick

We may buy Frye out if he wants, or we can use him as an excellent mentor to Bender/Chriss. He expires after this season which is the real goal of this trade, and to give Len the starting spot at center. This move would also show that the front office is going to trust Len to be our future starter so he may be more inclined to stay with us knowing he won't lose that spot. Unless we draft a center of course. We would have about 65mil in salaries for the 18-19 season and that doesn't include rookies. We would have enough money for a max free agent.

The Cavs do this since Triston Thompson has been battling injuries this season and isn't likely in great shape. Though he probably will be come playoff time, but they could use another leader manning the middle like Tyson. Also, the money doesn't match up, however the Cavs have several TPE's so it would be a feasible trade.

Thoughts?

I'd be okay attaching another second as well to make this happen, except that it can't. You can't combine TPEs, so we would need to take more salary back. Just as important, the Cavs don't want to pay additional luxury tax. If there were a third team willing to give up real value for Tristan, I could maybe see a deal coming together around that.

I like where your head is at, but it's really hard to come up with a trade where we send Tyson out and receive only expirings in return - even if we throw some second rounders in the pot. And it isn't because Tyson's not worth the money or because centers aren't in vogue. It's because most teams have an overpaid center on the roster, few teams have expirings worth shedding and we won't send Tyson where he doesn't want to be.

Without resorting to three-way fantasies (heh), I could maybe see Utah sending us Favors for Chandler and several seconds or San Antonio sending Parker. The latter especially is a stretch, given the emotional ties. With Favors, ideally, you'd find a third team to take him on.

Seeing none of these as particularly promising avenues, I think the more realistic options are (a) we buy Tyson out and bring Alex back, (b) we let Alex go and make room for another protege for Tyson, or (c) Tyson gets moved for a longer-term deal --- all of these would happen during the summer.

We wouldn't be combining TPE's, they have a 5mil TPE from the Kyrie Irving trade which would make Chandler for Frye a trade possibility. I understand them not wanting to pay the luxury tax but if Lebron wanted the trade I'm sure they'd make it. Plus, they would then have a 13mil expiring contract the following season which could be huge if Lebron stayed there and they make a trade for a disgruntled player. It's not like they need Frye's salary coming off the books after this off-season because they are still way over the cap.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

We wouldn't be combining TPE's, they have a 5mil TPE from the Kyrie Irving trade which would make Chandler for Frye a trade possibility.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybl8ancz

You can't combine a TPE with anything else, as far as I understand it.

[Qwigglez]

We wouldn't be combining TPE's, they have a 5mil TPE from the Kyrie Irving trade which would make Chandler for Frye a trade possibility.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybl8ancz

You can't combine a TPE with anything else, as far as I understand it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap#Traded_Player_Exception

If a team trades away a player with a higher salary than the player they acquire in return (the deal hereafter referred to as "Trade #1"), they receive a Traded Player Exception, also known as a "Trade Exception." Teams with a trade exception have up to a year in which they can acquire more salary in other trades (Trade #2, #3, etc.) than they send away, as long as the gulf in salaries for Trade #2, #3, etc. are less than or equal to the difference in salary for Trade #1. This exception is particularly useful when teams trade draft picks directly for a player; since draft picks have no salary value, often the only way to get salaries to match is to use a trade exception, which allows trades to be made despite unbalanced salaries. It is also useful to compensate teams for losing free agents, as they can do a sign and trade of that free agent to acquire a trade exception that can be used later. Note this exception is for single player trades only, though additional cash and draft picks can be part of the trade.

So as long as we are just trading Chandler for Frye they can use the TPE they got from the Kyrie trade to make the deal.

[gaspar]

We wouldn't be combining TPE's, they have a 5mil TPE from the Kyrie Irving trade which would make Chandler for Frye a trade possibility.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybl8ancz

You can't combine a TPE with anything else, as far as I understand it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap#Traded_Player_Exception

If a team trades away a player with a higher salary than the player they acquire in return (the deal hereafter referred to as "Trade #1"), they receive a Traded Player Exception, also known as a "Trade Exception." Teams with a trade exception have up to a year in which they can acquire more salary in other trades (Trade #2, #3, etc.) than they send away, as long as the gulf in salaries for Trade #2, #3, etc. are less than or equal to the difference in salary for Trade #1. This exception is particularly useful when teams trade draft picks directly for a player; since draft picks have no salary value, often the only way to get salaries to match is to use a trade exception, which allows trades to be made despite unbalanced salaries. It is also useful to compensate teams for losing free agents, as they can do a sign and trade of that free agent to acquire a trade exception that can be used later. Note this exception is for single player trades only, though additional cash and draft picks can be part of the trade.

So as long as we are just trading Chandler for Frye they can use the TPE they got from the Kyrie trade to make the deal.

No, they can't.