2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[lilfishi22]

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Any trades in here that you guys might do?

Don't like the idea of Grant without moving off some big long term salary (like DA). Just don't see how it could be sustainable even with an owner that is keen to spend.

[sunsfan1o1]

Saban Lee signed to 2 way DWJ waived. I called this too. Looks like I’m on a roll. Must be my HOF credentials lilfishi was talking about.

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This only opens a spot for a two-way player, right? Big trade coming for a two way? I doubt that.

More likely, the Suns decided they weren’t going to convert him, and they’d used up 42 games of his 50 eligible, so they are giving him a chance to catch on elsewhere before the deadline.

[lilfishi22]

Saban Lee signed to 2 way DWJ waived. I called this too. Looks like I’m on a roll. Must be my HOF credentials lilfishi was talking about.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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This only opens a spot for a two-way player, right? Big trade coming for a two way? I doubt that.

More likely, the Suns decided they weren’t going to convert him, and they’d used up 42 games of his 50 eligible, so they are giving him a chance to catch on elsewhere before the deadline.

No. The suns have had that open roster spot all year. Lee was in that spot on a 10 day contact but that ran out and they cut Washington from his 2way and gave it to Lee.

So they have one open regular roster spot. This doesn't necessarily mean anything, teams want flexibility around the deadline and buy out season.

People who propose in season trades tend to forget that when you do a 3-1 type deal the the taking on 3 guys has to open up those roster spots for the trade to go through even if they don't intend on keeping all the guys they get in that trade. In the summer you can roster up to 20 so that makes these things easier.

For instance if the suns did that Crowder for Nhowra, Hill, and Serge they would need to cut someone like Saric for it to go through.

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[sunsfan1o1]

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Holy crap. As I wrote in the previous page, I felt James Jones was contemplating between DWJ and Lee, but I thought he would have opted for DWJ. However... as I was thinking back on it, I remember someone posting on Twitter how DWJ is only good in short bursts, and Monty had to sub him out in the 2nd half because he is prone to make many mistakes. And I feel when looking back at Lee's contribution, he was rather impressive with meaningful minutes. Additionally, he provided stability at the PG spot when the Suns were struggling to bring the ball up the court with no CP3 or Booker.

Solid move. DWJ if he can just stay consistent, continue working on his craft, I think he could be a role player in the league. He just isn't ready yet.

Yeah I like both guys but I liked DWJ a little more. Just an overall a more talented and has a higher ceiling than Lee imo. I also don't like Lee's shooting form. Every time someone points out a butt ugly jump shot, someone else will point to Shawn Marion but he's the exception, not the rule. How many good shooters has a shooting form like Saben's? Anyway, while I liked Saben's contribution, I kinda feel like he's a bit dime a dozen and that's not to say DWJr isn't but I just like his combination of good shooting form and handles a bit better.

Saban Lee is a better NBA player than DWJ.
DWJ does not pass nor play defense.
I doubt he makes it in the NBA for those reasons alone.
He can shoot though. But he’s not lethal enough to make up for those major flaws in his game.

[BobbieL]

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This only opens a spot for a two-way player, right? Big trade coming for a two way? I doubt that.

More likely, the Suns decided they weren’t going to convert him, and they’d used up 42 games of his 50 eligible, so they are giving him a chance to catch on elsewhere before the deadline.

Suns only have 14 players on their roster. So they can do a two for one trade

[Ghost of Kleine]

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This only opens a spot for a two-way player, right? Big trade coming for a two way? I doubt that.

More likely, the Suns decided they weren’t going to convert him, and they’d used up 42 games of his 50 eligible, so they are giving him a chance to catch on elsewhere before the deadline.

Suns only have 14 players on their roster. So they can do a two for one trade

Thanks Bobbie and Week! From the tweet, I wasn’t sure how waiving a two way player was creating a roster spot. It’s simply swapping with a new two-way player, who previously was using up a roster spot as a 10-day.

(.. and I just talked to someone from a team with 15 roster spots and 2 2-ways, who wanted to get waive a 2-way to do a 1-for-2. That time of year!)

Thanks for the clarification!

[WeekapaugGroove]

I will say I think having to clear a roster spot for a incoming player you intend to waive is actually a dumb rule that the NBA should fix. You could just give teams a 24 hour window after a trade to get to 15.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

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cheaper developing Jerami Grant 2.0

[TeamTragic]

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cheaper developing Jerami Grant 2.0

Not worth a FRP. Maybe a few second rounders.

[sunskerr]

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cheaper developing Jerami Grant 2.0

Not worth a FRP. Maybe a few second rounders.

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aight lemme get serious

He is already better than anyone we'd be able to draft. And he'll probably be better than Jerami Grant eventually..if he isnt already. But the Rockets won't trade him. Their coach doesn't know wtf he's doing half the time, but the FO knows Tari is good.

[sunsfan1o1]

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cheaper developing Jerami Grant 2.0

Not worth a FRP. Maybe a few second rounders.

Tari is gonna be good.

[Slim Charless]

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cheaper developing Jerami Grant 2.0

Not worth a FRP. Maybe a few second rounders.

^^^^
Tell me you only watch the Suns without telling me you only watch the Suns.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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cheaper developing Jerami Grant 2.0

Not worth a FRP. Maybe a few second rounders.

I had him being inclusive in an Ayton trade to Houston IF we were ever to trade Ayton there. I mean obviously in a straight trade you wouldn't be able to get him for anything less than the suggested ( Top 8) maybe Top 10 protected lotto pick, seeing as even though he was originally drafted 17th, he's significantly outplayed his rookie projection already.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/lsu/Article/nba-rookies-tari-eason-lsu-200493904/Amp/

He’s 6-foot-8 with a 7-foot-2 wingspan and had the biggest hands of anyone at last year’s Draft Combine. He currently ranks in the 90th percentile or better in steal percentage, deflection rate, and offensive rebounding percentage in the NBA. He’s also shooting 38% from three and 84% from the three-throw line while putting up 8.4 points in 18.6 minutes.

Most notably, the Rockets are more than 10 points per 100 possessions better when he is on the floor, In short, Eason was one of the best NBA prospects in the SEC last year, if not all of college basketball, but most people didn’t realize it until the season had come to an end.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/spacecityscoop.com/posts/tari-eason-is-a-superstar-in-the-making-01gm4b6dpa7k/amp

According to FiveThirtyEight’s Raptor WAR, Eason has been by far the league’s best rookie. But the metrics don’t stop there. He’s second in box plus/minus, third in win shares per 48 minutes, and tied for second in Dunks&Threes estimated plus/minus. 

His blazing metrics next to a mundane box score line may raise some suspicions, but it shouldn’t because his excellence is still being captured by it. Eason racks up offensive rebounds and steals in peerless fashion. For players who have played at least 300 minutes, his 3.5 steals per 100 possessions rank second, and his 5.6 offensive rebounds rank 11th and is the best rate for any non-center. 

The rest of this article and many others out there only further this conceptual value of him. He'd absolutely be worth a top 8 protected first. But Houston would have to be really dumb to consider trading him though?

[sunsfan1o1]

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cheaper developing Jerami Grant 2.0

Not worth a FRP. Maybe a few second rounders.

I had him being inclusive in an Ayton trade to Houston IF we were ever to trade Ayton there. I mean obviously in a straight trade you wouldn't be able to get him for anything less than the suggested ( Top 8) maybe Top 10 protected lotto pick, seeing as even though he was originally drafted 17th, he's significantly outplayed his rookie projection already.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/lsu/Article/nba-rookies-tari-eason-lsu-200493904/Amp/

He’s 6-foot-8 with a 7-foot-2 wingspan and had the biggest hands of anyone at last year’s Draft Combine. He currently ranks in the 90th percentile or better in steal percentage, deflection rate, and offensive rebounding percentage in the NBA. He’s also shooting 38% from three and 84% from the three-throw line while putting up 8.4 points in 18.6 minutes.

Most notably, the Rockets are more than 10 points per 100 possessions better when he is on the floor, In short, Eason was one of the best NBA prospects in the SEC last year, if not all of college basketball, but most people didn’t realize it until the season had come to an end.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/spacecityscoop.com/posts/tari-eason-is-a-superstar-in-the-making-01gm4b6dpa7k/amp

According to FiveThirtyEight’s Raptor WAR, Eason has been by far the league’s best rookie. But the metrics don’t stop there. He’s second in box plus/minus, third in win shares per 48 minutes, and tied for second in Dunks&Threes estimated plus/minus. 

His blazing metrics next to a mundane box score line may raise some suspicions, but it shouldn’t because his excellence is still being captured by it. Eason racks up offensive rebounds and steals in peerless fashion. For players who have played at least 300 minutes, his 3.5 steals per 100 possessions rank second, and his 5.6 offensive rebounds rank 11th and is the best rate for any non-center. 

The rest of this article and many others out there only further this conceptual value of him. He'd absolutely be worth a top 8 protected first. But Houston would have to be really dumb to consider trading him though?

I liked him since I saw him in preseason. Thought he outplayed Jabari when he got time. But Jabari is their top pick so they have to play him more.
Jabari has improved though since then, but Eason is nice.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Any trades in here that you guys might do?

Don't like the idea of Grant without moving off some big long term salary (like DA). Just don't see how it could be sustainable even with an owner that is keen to spend.

No! And I hear that man,

That's why I mentioned that the following season IF NECESSARY, you look to move Ayton for a cheaper center. Maybe next season you move Ayton for a Valuncias or a Capela or a Poetl or a Turner? My personal preference would be to just do a follow up trade for Vucevic at the deadline IF you acquired Grant this trade deadline. So you have both aspects covered?

[Slim Charless]

Not worth a FRP. Maybe a few second rounders.

I had him being inclusive in an Ayton trade to Houston IF we were ever to trade Ayton there. I mean obviously in a straight trade you wouldn't be able to get him for anything less than the suggested ( Top 8) maybe Top 10 protected lotto pick, seeing as even though he was originally drafted 17th, he's significantly outplayed his rookie projection already.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/lsu/Article/nba-rookies-tari-eason-lsu-200493904/Amp/

He’s 6-foot-8 with a 7-foot-2 wingspan and had the biggest hands of anyone at last year’s Draft Combine. He currently ranks in the 90th percentile or better in steal percentage, deflection rate, and offensive rebounding percentage in the NBA. He’s also shooting 38% from three and 84% from the three-throw line while putting up 8.4 points in 18.6 minutes.

Most notably, the Rockets are more than 10 points per 100 possessions better when he is on the floor, In short, Eason was one of the best NBA prospects in the SEC last year, if not all of college basketball, but most people didn’t realize it until the season had come to an end.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/spacecityscoop.com/posts/tari-eason-is-a-superstar-in-the-making-01gm4b6dpa7k/amp

According to FiveThirtyEight’s Raptor WAR, Eason has been by far the league’s best rookie. But the metrics don’t stop there. He’s second in box plus/minus, third in win shares per 48 minutes, and tied for second in Dunks&Threes estimated plus/minus.

His blazing metrics next to a mundane box score line may raise some suspicions, but it shouldn’t because his excellence is still being captured by it. Eason racks up offensive rebounds and steals in peerless fashion. For players who have played at least 300 minutes, his 3.5 steals per 100 possessions rank second, and his 5.6 offensive rebounds rank 11th and is the best rate for any non-center.

The rest of this article and many others out there only further this conceptual value of him. He'd absolutely be worth a top 8 protected first. But Houston would have to be really dumb to consider trading him though?

I liked him since I saw him in preseason. Thought he outplayed Jabari when he got time. But Jabari is their top pick so they have to play him more.
Jabari has improved though since then, but Eason is nice.

He can do alot more than Jabari can and you're right, if all things were equal Tari would be getting more mins. Unfortunately Jabari was a top 3 pick and has to play.

Wouldn't surprise me if Tari is the better player.

[TeamTragic]

I find it hilarious that Ayton is apparently not a good player and should be traded. Yet we should give a FRP for Tari "Jerami Grant 2.0" Eason even though we passed on Jerami Grant proper.