The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[AkronsFinest91]

Well I am a bird in the hand kind of guy. If you want to win now, Bledsoe and Green are definitely better than Lavine, Wiggins, Bennett, and Waiters..... Waiters done jack and they have a whole lot of questions about there game, period.

I just think it is dumb for Minny to give Bledsoe all of that money instead of allowing those guys to develop.

What exactly would Minnesota be winning though with Bledsoe? The 12th seed?

Anything is better than living in Cleveland.

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That's all you got? You can't even make a solid argument so you go off-topic talking about a city you never been to

[baubo]

Well I am a bird in the hand kind of guy. If you want to win now, Bledsoe and Green are definitely better than Lavine, Wiggins, Bennett, and Waiters..... Waiters is a knuckle head and those other guys haven't done jack and they have a whole lot of questions about there game, period.

If Minnesota wants to win now and willing to trade Wiggins, their move should not be to pay Bledsoe the max. Their move should be to put Wiggins on the market so that every team can put their offer in. My guess is that the best offer would be a lot more than Bledsoe at 4yr/$63mil. Off the top of my head, Atlanta probably offers Millsap and Teague, Denver can offer Lawson and Faried, Toronto might actually offer DeRozen given the Canada connection. The point is even if Minnesota wants to go all-in for the playoffs this season, Wiggins can be used for much better win-now talent than Bledsoe.

[BobbieL]

You guys can all go back to bed...the Wolves are running ticket promo ads in the local Minny paper this morning featuring Wiggins, etc.

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that settles that
good find

I think Bledsoe is proving that NOBODY wants him. He is not worth it. The league knows what the fans are finding out, this guy is just not worth it.

If I am the Suns - I just say, ball is in your court. You take the 3.7 and see if you can get max money .

Or call LeBron and ask LeBron where his little buddy wants to be traded too and trade him there and be done with his butt.

[paulpressey25]

I think Bledsoe is proving that NOBODY wants him. He is not worth it. The league knows what the fans are finding out, this guy is just not worth it.

I've been on this board on and off the past two-months on Bledsoe. I'd love him in Milwaukee. But I would admit that his appeal on a 4/$63 max contract is losing its luster as you see how he's apparently not willing to negotiate with the Suns off his 5/$80 demands. That and the fact he's likely not working out this summer at all to avoid injury make things a bit problematic. You start to envision an Eric Gordon outcome on his new contract versus a regular all-star. You wonder whether he'll be a guy that quits or has even more injuries once he's been paid.

[JJ13]

Cavs fan here...
No way this trade happens. Why would Minnesota want Bledsoe who's already had injury concerns and would be a on a max contract? It would be kinda hard to sell Bledsoe as the hope and future to Wolves fan lol. Plus Cavs and Wolves are really high on their rookies. Lavine looked good in SL and is an amazing athlete. People are also throwing in Dion Waiters like he's a scrub or something but it was his 2nd year in the league and if you look at the stats post all star break he basically was Eric Bledsoe minus a rebound and an assist. Check it out yourself http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... on-waiters Then when you add Wiggins and Bennett and etc it starts geting comical. We're only trading Wiggins and Bennett cause Love is a premiere top 10 NBA player. Minnesota wouldn't trade until the All-Star break this year if they didn't get an offer like this. This is just perfectly setup for these 2 teams right now.

Well I am a bird in the hand kind of guy. If you want to win now, Bledsoe and Green are definitely better than Lavine, Wiggins, Bennett, and Waiters..... Waiters is a knuckle head and those other guys haven't done jack and they have a whole lot of questions about there game, period.

I just think it is dumb for Minny to give Bledsoe all of that money instead of allowing those guys to develop.

What exactly would Minnesota be winning though with Bledsoe? The 12th seed?

Bledsoe, Green, giving back their pick plus the Lakers pick is a nice bounty...keep in mind they're still getting Thad.

[RunDogGun]

Wasn't there a newspaper headline saying "Dewey Wins"? Papers get things wrong all the time, and if this ad was sent out before we got into the mix(if we got into the mix), well then it wouldn't have been false at the time.

We will wait and see what happens, but until then, dream away boys!

[Merc_Porto]

This never got traction. We were told no.

There is a deal in place.

Minnesota isn't pulling a Golden State.

Also, as K-dawg noted the Suns and Bled's agent are talking. The Suns and Bled are not.

I never believed Bledsoe forLove if that is what you mean by being told No

Or do you mean, BledsoeGreen for Wiggins and players like Waiters

As there are two report: ESPN has the Suns getting in on Love

RayRay and Kerrsed were sayin Bledsoe to Minny and making this a four team trade almot. not Love to Phx

So, if you are Minnesota - what is better?

Thaddeus Young, Wiggins Bennett
or

Young Bledsoe and Green

this year and next year option 2

long term: 5 years, hard to say

What ?

Thaddeus Young, Wiggins Bennett X1000000000000000000000, SO EASY.

[JDLAW]

Just end this. Suns tell Bledsoe's agent (and the public) - since they apparently cannot talk to Bledsoe - produce a signed offer sheet, produce an acceptable sign and trade from a team who will pay you what you want and give the Suns a reasonable return (Suns give some "guidelines") or give the Suns a counter offer other than a 5yr max by the end of August or we'll make the decision for you. We'll pull the 4 and 48M and you can play for the QO. Place the ball squarely in Bledsoe's court and get out of the way.

This is getting ridiculous.

I have to disagree...in degrees.

There's well over a month to go before anything truly needs be settled. Stay the course 48/4 and be open to a small bump up.

Keep the lines of communication as open and amicable as possible. Just keep probing for a sign and trade. Outline to Paul what the Suns would need in any sign and trade. Let's see what can be found by either party.

If the Suns and Bledsoe come to loggerheads on that last day of September, and he's ready to accept the 3.7m QO....(I know I'm going to get flamed beyond recognition with this idea but,)....knowing Bledsoe is going to ride a QO, I would like to see the Suns bump up the QO numbers/place a new 1 year deal of 5+ million in front of Eric to sign*.

I don't see anything positive in simply acquiescing to the QO's number of 3.7m and letting it play out this season. ...he would leave for sure next summer. The Suns Lose. The Suns are willing to pay him 12 million in 14-15...just give him something a little closer to what he's actually worth. When FA time rolls around that volunteered bonus will play a role in locking him up long term. Think of it this way- Eric accepting/risking 1 year at the QO is just him playing 1 more year on his rookie contract, and then gaining more control on his career path...his life. Even if this unpresidented bumping up of the QO fails to sway Eric towards a long term relationship with the Suns, it would be great Phoenix PR as viewed by all the other NBA players. The future is a long time.

What would the Suns gain if they start pulling offers, forcing Bledsoe's hand? If you're into retribution...teaching lessons...fine, but that tact will not make this team any better. If it comes to QO or nada...take the high road Suns. Nothing to be gained by burning Bledsoe bridges at that point. Make things as good as they can be.

This would be my crazy tact.

*I've been unable to get a clear answer on if the Suns can bump the number on the existing QO. I think they can offer a one year deal, but it would still have all the ugly stipulations that come with the standing QO.

FLAME AWAY FOLKS!

It is probably too early!

[NoKneeBledsoe]

This never got traction. We were told no.

There is a deal in place.

Minnesota isn't pulling a Golden State.

Also, as K-dawg noted the Suns and Bled's agent are talking. The Suns and Bled are not.

I never believed Bledsoe forLove if that is what you mean by being told No

Or do you mean, BledsoeGreen for Wiggins and players like Waiters

As there are two report: ESPN has the Suns getting in on Love

RayRay and Kerrsed were sayin Bledsoe to Minny and making this a four team trade almot. not Love to Phx

So, if you are Minnesota - what is better?

Thaddeus Young, Wiggins Bennett
or

Young Bledsoe and Green

this year and next year option 2

long term: 5 years, hard to say

What ?

Thaddeus Young, Wiggins Bennett X1000000000000000000000, SO EASY.

I agree

YOUNG, BENNETT, WIGGINS > YOUNG BLEDSOE AND GREEN

Bledsoe and Rubio? That will work but they have Lavine & Shabazz still.

Bledsoe wants Max and is worth most 10-12 million.

I believe the T-Wolves just got better.

Love is overrated and cannot lead a team. He has amazing stats and is a good player but

Young Bennett and Wiggins > Love

[Qwigglez]

What if we gut the roster?

Suns get-
Andrew Wiggins
Kevin Martin

Wolves get-
Kyrie Irving
Tristan Thompson
Anthony Bennett
Lakers 2015 1st

Cavs get-
Kevin Love
Eric Bledsoe
Goran Dragic

[Jdiddy701]

Guys Andrew Wiggins being introduced on Tuesday for Minnesota. Let's all give it up.


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[SSOL]

Trade calls were just completed. As I said, nothing to see here. Pretty big risk for some of our insiders to put that info out there.

[BurningHeart]

Trade calls were just completed. As I said, nothing to see here. Pretty big risk for some of our insiders to put that info out there.

They're just passing it along. Situations are fluid. Just because it's said doesn't mean it's going to happen for sure.

[noelphx]

Trade calls were just completed. As I said, nothing to see here. Pretty big risk for some of our insiders to put that info out there.

ray ray's source probably just got outed. Suns are probably trying to shore up the leaks. You know how secretive they have become.

[Jdiddy701]

All the players we needed this offseason DID NOT happen. Lebron, Bosh, Wiggins, Love.. Bledsoe might top it off as well. I would have thought with our flexibility and youth, we could have succeeded by getting a top player. This season will still be excited regardless, but not happy with our offseason.

I think this offseason has been a failure. Getting IT was good but not good enough in the West. Oh well, guess we will try again next offseason. Just not looking forward to 9th seed again. Not putting our FO to blame at all but as a fan, it's disappointing.

I don't remember the last time something good happened to this organization.

[ray ray]

From what I've been told , there's ongoing discussion between the wolves and Suns. Nothing is written on stone. But it would include Bledsoe to the wolves for wiggins. The Suns WOULD include the Lakers 1st round pick.

[ray ray]

I'm not here to confirm sources with anyone but the mods.. Believe what you guys want to believe. The Mods know my sources.

[Puff]

If I were a Minnesota fan I would be thrilled at this point. They could become one of the most watched teams in basketball next season.

Those that think they will struggle next season I think are badly mistaken. I fully expect them to have a better record that our Phoenix Suns. They have added four very exciting players to that group which still has some decent veterans. They get rid of Kevin Love which in my opinion will turn out to be a very good thing for them. They add defense and athleticism. They have given Ricky Rubio a lot of great options to get the ball to. I could be wrong but I really like what they have done.

The thought that we had a chance to land either Love or Wiggins is laughable. Once these two teams got together on this deal, everyone else was out of the running.

The deal that I have always thought might me available would be Bledsoe for Rubio. It has not been mentioned but to the best of my knowledge the Wolves have not completed the extension for Rubio. Who would they prefer to have Bledsoe or Rubio? I did not see Rubio in that newspaper AD either.

I know a lot of folks are not excited about Rubio but I think a Rubio and Dragic back court would be fantastic.

I am not sure a trade would even be possible based on the CBA. I will leave that up to the CBA experts.

With where we appear to be on the Bledsoe front I certainly would explore this option if I were McDonough.

At this point, we are a mess, thanks Eric.

[JTrain]

I'm surprised how many fans are back to being convinced Wiggins is going to be a superstar.

[Sunsdeuce]

I'm not here to confirm sources with anyone but the mods.. Believe what you guys want to believe. The Mods know my sources.

I believe you. It's just been a disappointing/frustrating off season.


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