Suns Offseason Thread 2: The Hunt for a Blazer Continues!

LukasBMW · Post #1181 » by **LukasBMW** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 5:33 pm

Suns are the better basketball destination. Younger team with lots of potential. Lots of future cap space and flexibility. A true players coach in Horny. The opportunity to win and bring a ring to Phoenix and cement his legacy. HIS TEAM. Creative management.

The Spurs are a better personal destination. He's be close with his family and hometown.

I'm guessing that is the hang up.

LukasBMW · Post #1182 » by **LukasBMW** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 5:34 pm

bigfoot wrote:Don't like it ... most certainly gonna spend the 4th of July weekend with family. That most likely means with his young son. I'm worried that this is will be the deciding factor. Suns are primed for the long run but the Spurs have a small window and his son is nearby. If he only signs a 1+1 then he could go with the Spurs and repeat the whole FA gig next year.

THIS x100 unfortunately.

Holidays are always when workaholics start thinking about family and posting **** on facebook: #withmyfamily #what'sreallyimportant #BeingaDad>BeinganNBA player

****!

JMac1 · Post #1183 » by **JMac1** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 5:36 pm

Sources: Aldridge digesting team pitches

LaMarcus Aldridge currently has no plans to make out-of-town visits and, at this stage, plans to take "a couple of days" to digest all the pitches he's received after meeting with seven teams: He met with the Lakers twice, and the Spurs, Suns, Mavs, Rockets, Raptors and Heat. (via ESPN's Marc Stein)

Enjoy your holiday weekend fellas.

NavLDO · Post #1184 » by **NavLDO** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 5:40 pm

NavLDO wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
sunskerr wrote:Rather just roll with Kieff if we miss out on LMA. Make him work like hell on his 3 ball.

I prefer Markieff over Nene too, but we need a fourth big, a backup PF. Leuer is not that good, I think he would be decent like a fifth big man playing when we have injuries or suspensions, but not on the rotation all the time.

Nene is in a contract year...he can be really good playing around the 20 mpg.

Nah. There are better options, IMO--Bismack, Harris, O'Quinn, Bass, J.Hill, Koufus, or Derrick Williams.

And BTW, when looking at his numbers last year: PPG 11.0, 5.1RPG, 1.8APG, 1.0SPG, 1.9PF, 0.3BPG

All those numbers were significantly lower than the previous season, which was also lower than his 2012-2013 season. So, Nene is the poster child for JTrain's stat website expressing how much a player regresses at Age 32.

NavLDO · Post #1185 » by **NavLDO** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 5:45 pm

sunsfever68 wrote:We must secure another meeting

Bring the house. We can't let the Spurs get an extra meeting and we lose him BC of that

Think about this psychologically this is a stressful time for him deciding where he should be for the next 4-5 years.

Humans are creatures of comfort and patterns, especially in today's NBA world where players are as mentally tough as they were the 90s.

The longer this drags out the more he will make a logical decision as opposed to emotional one.

I feel like we are the emotional decision because we offer the opportunity to be a legend and when in the market that is desperate for a championship.

His kids live in San Antonio and Dallas, combine that with 0% state income tax Texas is an appealing destination for him.

Basketball wise for the next five years we make the most sense. However the spurs core is also decent.

One more meeting with LA and I think we can convince him to sign

Bah!! It's all about legacy, and wouldn't he love to be the player remembered for bringing the Suns' 1st NBA Championship?!?! Something that neither Barkley, nor Shaq were able to do--he'll be a legend in the 6th largest city in the US!!!

Legacy--THAT'S what McD needs to sell him on, along with Chandler's and Len's abilities at the 5, Aldridge will never have to play with a poor Center again--1st team/Bench, doesn't matter, the Suns got it covered!!

Post #1186 » by **rsavaj** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 5:59 pm

Flying Colors wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:So I guess we can keep Tucker or Kieff if we sign LMA? It doesn't seem like the salaries work. If we keep Tucker it seems like we would have to send out Goodwin and more.

One thing i'm not entirely clear is where the dragic trade exception does and how it can come into play

I have no idea either. Since we're going the "under the cap" route I'm not sure we can use the exceptions

gaspar · Post #1187 » by **gaspar** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 5:59 pm

jredsaz wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Expecting the worse (LMA to San Antonio) I am thinking about our second choice with the cap sapce that we have now. After signing Tyson we will have around $8M to sign a good FA....David West? Amare? Koufos? I don't have a favourite.

We got more than $8 million. We have closer to $11 million with the increase in the cap.

More like $9M

carey · Post #1188 » by **carey** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 6:02 pm

rsavaj wrote:
Flying Colors wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:So I guess we can keep Tucker or Kieff if we sign LMA? It doesn't seem like the salaries work. If we keep Tucker it seems like we would have to send out Goodwin and more.

One thing i'm not entirely clear is where the dragic trade exception does and how it can come into play

I have no idea either. Since we're going the "under the cap" route I'm not sure we can use the exceptions

We can't. None of them. But we don't k ow exactly how things are playing out. We could potentially do S&Ts. So we will see.

Post #1189 » by **rsavaj** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 6:02 pm

Seriously, call up Steve Nash, ask him to make a pitch and play up what the Suns did for him. Get Grant Hill on board as well.

I would say the same for Barkley but I'm half-worried he'd trash the franchise instead

Barkley6 · Post #1190 » by **Barkley6** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 6:04 pm

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/7/3/8889387/with-aldridge-still-mulling-his-decision-phoenix-suns-pose-as-many

Interesting article here about Aldridge's wants (really into analytics, apparently, bodes well for us I think). But is (likely) concerned about the only real shooter on the Suns roster being an unproven rookie.

I think that the Suns need to start shopping Kieff for the best shooter they can get. I legitimately don't want to trade Tucker. Not only does the whole college teammate connection likely help with Aldridge's decision, but I also think that his hustle and defense are much needed on this roster. You start talking about Chandler in the middle, and Bledsoe and Tucker as your wing defenders and that sounds like a top-10 defensive team if everyone buys in.

Anyone have a good idea for a trade centered around Kieff to net us a shooter? (I'm not a fan of the trade proposed in the article with Toronto).

EDIT: I also wonder if Aldridge MIGHT have said in the meeting "Get me a shooter by such and such a date and it's a deal, or I'm signing with San Antonio." So now it's up to McD to work the phones. Just a thought.

Post #1191 » by **rsavaj** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 6:05 pm

Keeping Kieff makes more sense than keeping Tucker. I know Tuck and LMA are personal friends, but Kieff is a good player on a great contract. Only reason to move Kieff is if he becomes a distraction and throws a hissy fit since we shipped Marcus out of town.

It's easier to find a Tucker replacement than a Kieff replacement.

Barkley6 · Post #1192 » by **Barkley6** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 6:09 pm

rsavaj wrote:Keeping Kieff makes more sense than keeping Tucker. I know Tuck and LMA are personal friends, but Kieff is a good player on a great contract. Only reason to move Kieff is if he becomes a distraction and throws a hissy fit since we shipped Marcus out of town.

It's easier to find a Tucker replacement than a Kieff replacement.

I guess my issue is that Kieff would become a bench player, and while, as you said, he is on a great contract, he only signed that great contract to be with this brother. I worry about his attitude becoming a problem now that he's making less money, Marcus left town, AND he goes from starter to bench.

I think it makes more sense if we bring in LMA, to bring in some kind of veteran PF (like an Amare) to play 18 minutes a night and provide some scoring off the bench. Markieff won't be content with that.

NTB · Post #1193 » by **NTB** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 6:10 pm

Teletovic.

Post #1194 » by **rsavaj** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 6:11 pm

Barkley6 wrote:
rsavaj wrote:Keeping Kieff makes more sense than keeping Tucker. I know Tuck and LMA are personal friends, but Kieff is a good player on a great contract. Only reason to move Kieff is if he becomes a distraction and throws a hissy fit since we shipped Marcus out of town.

It's easier to find a Tucker replacement than a Kieff replacement.

I guess my issue is that Kieff would become a bench player, and while, as you said, he is on a great contract, he only signed that great contract to be with this brother. I worry about his attitude becoming a problem now that he's making less money, Marcus left town, AND he goes from starter to bench.

I think it makes more sense if we bring in LMA, to bring in some kind of veteran PF (like an Amare) to play 18 minutes a night and provide some scoring off the bench. Markieff won't be content with that.

Those are legitimate concerns. I just think that Kieff is one of the best values as far as production/dollar is concerned, and his youth(25) allows him to be a major rotation piece longer than a guy like Tucker.

But Tucker's defense, rebounding, and overall grit would be sorely missed.

Barkley6 · Post #1195 » by **Barkley6** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 6:15 pm

rsavaj wrote:
Barkley6 wrote:
rsavaj wrote:Keeping Kieff makes more sense than keeping Tucker. I know Tuck and LMA are personal friends, but Kieff is a good player on a great contract. Only reason to move Kieff is if he becomes a distraction and throws a hissy fit since we shipped Marcus out of town.

It's easier to find a Tucker replacement than a Kieff replacement.

I guess my issue is that Kieff would become a bench player, and while, as you said, he is on a great contract, he only signed that great contract to be with this brother. I worry about his attitude becoming a problem now that he's making less money, Marcus left town, AND he goes from starter to bench.

I think it makes more sense if we bring in LMA, to bring in some kind of veteran PF (like an Amare) to play 18 minutes a night and provide some scoring off the bench. Markieff won't be content with that.

Those are legitimate concerns. I just think that Kieff is one of the best values as far as production/dollar is concerned, and his youth(25) allows him to be a major rotation piece longer than a guy like Tucker.

But Tucker's defense, rebounding, and overall grit would be sorely missed.

Even if he stays this season, I don't see him staying much beyond next summer. And his value might be deflated by a bench role, thought his contract will be even more of a steal with the roided out cap. Have to gauge when his value is highest, if it's now, deal him.

letsgosuns · Post #1196 » by **letsgosuns** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 6:15 pm

Unreal. 4 years/54 million for Robin Lopez. ROBIN LOPEZ!!!

Barkley6 · Post #1197 » by **Barkley6** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 6:16 pm

NTB wrote:Teletovic.

? A career 36% 3pt shooter who is 29 and plays PF? How does that attract Aldridge?

NTB · Post #1198 » by **NTB** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 6:21 pm

Barkley6 wrote:
NTB wrote:Teletovic.

? A career 36% 3pt shooter who is 29 and plays PF? How does that attract Aldridge?

Who will you bring here as a shooter then?

bigfoot · Post #1199 » by **bigfoot** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 6:23 pm

Anybody surprised Gerald Green hasn't received an offer?

Nando88 · Post #1200 » by **Nando88** » Fri Jul 3, 2015 6:23 pm

It's time to bring in the big guns. Jerry Colangelo

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