Trade Deadline Countdown Pre-Febuary Deadline

saintEscaton · Post #1181 » by **saintEscaton** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:16 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:In Everyone's opinion what is Goodwin's realistic trade value?

He doesn't net us much by himself and isn't coveted enough to be a centerpiece in a trade.But he's more than a throw in sweetener

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1182 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:22 am

I'll believe it when I see it, re: trading Knight, Bledsoe for younger players.

AtheJ415 · Post #1183 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:28 am

saintEscaton wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:In Everyone's opinion what is Goodwin's realistic trade value?

He doesn't net us much by himself and isn't coveted enough to be a centerpiece in a trade.But he's more than a throw in sweetener

He has more value to us than any other team, so I don't see any way he gets moved.

NBA Fiend · Post #1184 » by **NBA Fiend** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:34 am

Something lost in translation? Not Suns related but humorous. Didn't know that was possible with the current CBA.

http://www.movienewsguide.com/nba-trade-rumors-orlando-magic-fire-tobias-harris/157790

dremill24 · Post #1185 » by **dremill24** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:36 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:In Everyone's opinion what is Goodwin's realistic trade value?

I think at this point he's played himself into a supplementary piece that can be included in a deal for an established pseudo-star type player (depending on who else is going out with Archie). He has [hopefully] become an 'asset.' I think that's the only way he can really get dealt at this point, as he's still too much of a wildcard to net anything of real value by himself. At least until his contract year, then he could possibly net a pick if continued to get consistent PT and the Suns felt like he was going to want more than they were willing to give him in free agency.

saintEscaton · Post #1186 » by **saintEscaton** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:49 am

I launched a friendly inquiry on the Magic board. One poster said that we had no one on our roster worthy of him. But he proposed: Booker,Bledsoe, Goodwin + Future Unprotected First for Gordon,Watson, Frye,Nicholson adding that salaries probably don't even match :lol:

TeamTragic · Post #1187 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:51 am

saintEscaton wrote:I launched a friendly inquiry on the Magic board. One poster said that we had no one on our roster worthy of him. But he proposed: Booker,Bledsoe, Goodwin + Future Unprotected First for Gordon,Watson, Frye,Nicholson adding that salaries probably don't even match

McD hangs up and then has a laugh with Sarver :lol:

thamadkant · Post #1188 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:53 am

Gordon is a too young and has too much ceiling still to be scoped to give up on.

With that said... Magic fans are stupid if they think no one on the Suns can fetch Gordon..
He isnt Davis or Curry. Not even a star... Yet... Or ever... But he has the athleticism and size to be a player and a dunk comp contestant atleast.

YouTube · Post #1189 » by **Kerrsed** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:57 am

In regards to Goodwin, i look at it this way. As many have stated, he has more value to us than any other team. And to add to that, i believe his value to us really isnt as high as some think it is. His value is that he is a young player with potential that played for Kentucky. Thats about it. Archie is a SG that doesnt have a reliable shot. We tried and he failed. So we try to develop him into a PG, allowing him to have the ball in his hands more, thus allowing him to attack the rim, which is one of his strong suits. Now i notice he still charges in with his head down, thus limiting him when he does attack. His bread and butter is drawing fouls. That goes hand in hand with him barreling into the paint with his head down.

He still lacks to court vision that a good PG needs, lacks the leadership and doesnt communicate (being vocal) on the floor like a good PG should.

Now when you look at the rest of the league, its JAM PACKED with PG's at the moment. Almost every team has a star or semi-star PG, and some teams like us have 2 (or 3).

So now you have a young player with potential that is forced to play out of position due to him not currently having the talent that it takes to play his natural position, but at the same time now playing a position that is very over saturated in the league, thus majorly limiting his appeal to other teams.

So what i see in Goodwin is what i listed above, and to other teams, mearly a throw in player in trade, a young guy with some (but limited potential) on his rookie contract. Thats it.

thamadkant · Post #1190 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 3:58 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:In Everyone's opinion what is Goodwin's realistic trade value?

A mid first rounder..depending on the team. A team that wants an athletic 6'5 guy who can get inside the paint and score 20 a game if given enough minutes and shots.

But with that said... He is worth more to McD and suns than any other team.

I think he is a McD player and is part of the Booker, Len, Warren core.... All McD scouted and drafted... He even got extended. His jumpshot is miles ahead of when he started so even if its slow progression.. He is only 21 with little experience.

MrMiyagi · Post #1191 » by **MrMiyagi** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:10 am

saintEscaton wrote:I launched a friendly inquiry on the Magic board. One poster said that we had no one on our roster worthy of him. But he proposed: Booker,Bledsoe, Goodwin + Future Unprotected First for Gordon,Watson, Frye,Nicholson adding that salaries probably don't even match

Had to see it for myself. That's just plain stupid.

saintEscaton · Post #1192 » by **saintEscaton** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:17 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:I launched a friendly inquiry on the Magic board. One poster said that we had no one on our roster worthy of him. But he proposed: Booker,Bledsoe, Goodwin + Future Unprotected First for Gordon,Watson, Frye,Nicholson adding that salaries probably don't even match

Had to see it for myself. That's just plain stupid.

Me leaving that thread

carey · Post #1193 » by **carey** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:18 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
carey wrote:WE ARE MISSING OUR 3 TOP SCORERS. That is all.

Fixed this for you, you blindly optimistic homer.

Seriously dude? I'm no homer. The point is if Bledsoe and Knight were healthy all year this wouldn't be the worst Suns team ever. We wouldn't be setting records for futility every damn night. Would we be good? Hell no. But we wouldn't be this either. To lay it entirely at the feet of McDonough when we've lost so much to injury is silly. It's also unsurprising. If I wanted my post pink, you prick, I'd have made it pink.

AtheJ415 · Post #1194 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:19 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:I launched a friendly inquiry on the Magic board. One poster said that we had no one on our roster worthy of him. But he proposed: Booker,Bledsoe, Goodwin + Future Unprotected First for Gordon,Watson, Frye,Nicholson adding that salaries probably don't even match

Had to see it for myself. That's just plain stupid.

Booker alone is more valuable than Gordon imo. And I say that as a huge fan of Gordon's. I think he can be a Marion-type PF if his jumper improves. Perennial DPOY candidate with great handles and solid at most everything. But again, Booker is going to be a monster. He's already proven as much if not more than Gordon imo.

MrMiyagi · Post #1195 » by **MrMiyagi** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:31 am

carey wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
carey wrote:WE ARE MISSING OUR 3 TOP SCORERS. That is all.

Fixed this for you, you blindly optimistic homer.

Seriously dude? I'm no homer. The point is if Bledsoe and Knight were healthy all year this wouldn't be the worst Suns team ever. We wouldn't be setting records for futility every damn night. Would we be good? Hell no. But we wouldn't be this either. To lay it entirely at the feet of McDonough when we've lost so much to injury is silly. It's also unsurprising. If I wanted my post pink, you prick, I'd have made it pink.

Green font is sarcasm... I actually agree with you, which is why I and 1'd your post.

Post #1196 » by **rsavaj** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:43 am

saintEscaton wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:In Everyone's opinion what is Goodwin's realistic trade value?

He doesn't net us much by himself and isn't coveted enough to be a centerpiece in a trade.But he's more than a throw in sweetener

a late 1st, similar to where he was drafted

jcsunsfan · Post #1197 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:54 am

1UPZ wrote:

Dragic sooking and acting selfish is 50% McD's fault for not having the experience of cuddling players.

Wow. Didn't know you had to swing that way to be a GM.

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AtheJ415 · Post #1198 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:55 am

rsavaj wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:In Everyone's opinion what is Goodwin's realistic trade value?

He doesn't net us much by himself and isn't coveted enough to be a centerpiece in a trade.But he's more than a throw in sweetener

a late 1st, similar to where he was drafted

Disagree. He's outperformed most late firsts. I think mid first probably.

sunsbum · Post #1199 » by **sunsbum** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:55 am

Alright, lets get a grip on reality here for a second fellow suns fans and fake gm's. Aaron Gordon is probably pretty close to untouchable, so lets quit wasting everyones time and most importantly precious internet space on trade scenarios involving him. Maybe there was some kind of slim to none chance before yesterday.

On Archie, i think hes got some real trade value right now. Hes still young enough to get better and relatively unknown around the league where teams arent going to lean on his negetives as much as a guy thats in his mid to late 20's that may be nearing their ceiling. Hell, i think even us fans who watch him everday are still trying to figure out what we have.

jredsaz · Post #1200 » by **jredsaz** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 4:55 am

rsavaj wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:In Everyone's opinion what is Goodwin's realistic trade value?

He doesn't net us much by himself and isn't coveted enough to be a centerpiece in a trade.But he's more than a throw in sweetener

a late 1st, similar to where he was drafted

Goodwin has no handle, no shot, and to this point has shown no interest in playing defense. He is a throw in maybe. Wouldn't fetch us a 1st on his own. The kid has potential but not enough to garner any return value.