2020 Offseason Speculation, free agency, summer trades (keep draft prospect talk in draft thread)

[Slim Charless]

Offseason needs to be this

Get Markannen for Oubre and 2021 Protected 1st
Draft LaMelo (lets get the lottery) or Cole Anthony

Run with this

Rubio, LaMelo
Booker, Free Agent
Bridges, Johnson
Markannen , Saric
Ayton, Baynes or Pick up Center FA

Oubre and a 2121 1st? The deepest draft class in well over a decade? If anything they need to give us a 2020 1st or at least a swap if their pick is higher this year. I like Lauri but he hasn't done anything remotely equal to KO this season. I think KO and taking Felicio from them is more then enough. Or OPJ would also possibly work as well. Lauri has had a terrible year which means he should be available in a buy-low capacity. Key words there are "buy-low" however.

[Jarlaxle0204]

I miss Frank **** Kaminsky!!! What he was doing for this team (while some **** was suspended), and before he was forced to play center due to injuries and before he was injured WOULD make him a pretty effective streach big next to Ayton. He was hitting 3's, was driving and dishing effectively when someone closed out and was cooking katts with effective post play. Frank was making the Hornets question weather they gave up on him too early!!

I agree with you. Frank was looking real good as a bench big. He spreads the floor nicely, has some nice spin moves that oftentimes allows him to score. I think the bench scoring really took a hit when he went down.

I'm also a fan of bringing Carter and Saric back if it's cheap.

I'm done with Okobo. I would prefer to draft a PF and then use our money for some backup PG or scoring guard off the bench. Then run this team back again next year with those additions and see what a healthy, older group could do.

[BobbieL]

Curry coming back... on Sunday - so will not play the Suns. I am good with this ….

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[BobbieL]

Offseason needs to be this

Get Markannen for Oubre and 2021 Protected 1st
Draft LaMelo (lets get the lottery) or Cole Anthony

Run with this

Rubio, LaMelo
Booker, Free Agent
Bridges, Johnson
Markannen , Saric
Ayton, Baynes or Pick up Center FA

Oubre and a 2121 1st? The deepest draft class in well over a decade? If anything they need to give us a 2020 1st or at least a swap if their pick is higher this year. I like Lauri but he hasn't done anything remotely equal to KO this season. I think KO and taking Felicio from them is more then enough. Or OPJ would also possibly work as well. Lauri has had a terrible year which means he should be available in a buy-low capacity. Key words there are "buy-low" however.

With the way this starting 5 is playing - not sure I would do KO for LM - but I would for sure not give up FRP pick. As you stated Markkanen needs to be a buy low option. The Bulls cap is fine for the summer of 2021 so not really sure they need to offload a contract this year. But if I am doing KO for LM - might want Satoransky. All of that - at this point - I think

keep the same starting 5
bring back Frank and Carter
see what it takes for Saric on the cheap
go hard for a player like Bogdan
if not don't overpay but may find a wing player for cheap
hopefuly Cam, Jerome and the FRP fill in the edges

[Frank Lee]

y'all forget so quickly how streaky and one dimensional the Shank is. If choosing between Saric and the Shank, (cause we don't need both) give me Dario all day. This is not just because he is coming off his best game either. Watch him. Its all effort all the time. Dude knows how to play and doesn't crawl into a hole IF he misses a couple shots (like the Shank) I'd ink him for 3, Carter too. Letting real ballplayers leave this roster will be detrimental. Shank???? not so much.

[bwgood77]

Its crazy that Carter was known as the Defensive back-up PG and Okobo was the Offensive backup PG. Im looking at the comparison between the two, and yes, Carter is still the defensive Bulldog......but also taken the offensive backup PG title away from Okobo. PER36 Shows them dead even in shot attempts (Around 9) and points (11), but Carters percentages are much much better. He's hitting 41% from the field where Okobo is at 39% (Not that huge of a difference), but Carter hits 42% of his 3's while Okobo hits just 35%.

Okobo should be good as gone once the season is over. He is not an answer to any NBA question. Just cut him and open up another roster space for us to roll the dice on another cheap guard. Guys like Okobo are a dime a dozen.

Considering Okobo wasn't one of JJ's guys, he's basically been on the chopping block since JJ took over so I wouldn't be at all surprised if we just waived him.

All of the guys in the draft class were supposedly consensus picks between JJ and McDonough.

[lilfishi22]

Its crazy that Carter was known as the Defensive back-up PG and Okobo was the Offensive backup PG. Im looking at the comparison between the two, and yes, Carter is still the defensive Bulldog......but also taken the offensive backup PG title away from Okobo. PER36 Shows them dead even in shot attempts (Around 9) and points (11), but Carters percentages are much much better. He's hitting 41% from the field where Okobo is at 39% (Not that huge of a difference), but Carter hits 42% of his 3's while Okobo hits just 35%.

Okobo should be good as gone once the season is over. He is not an answer to any NBA question. Just cut him and open up another roster space for us to roll the dice on another cheap guard. Guys like Okobo are a dime a dozen.

Considering Okobo wasn't one of JJ's guys, he's basically been on the chopping block since JJ took over so I wouldn't be at all surprised if we just waived him.

All of the guys in the draft class were supposedly consensus picks between JJ and McDonough.

To what extent is the question. JJ had a much bigger hand in bringing in Carter than Okobo

[bwgood77]

Considering Okobo wasn't one of JJ's guys, he's basically been on the chopping block since JJ took over so I wouldn't be at all surprised if we just waived him.

All of the guys in the draft class were supposedly consensus picks between JJ and McDonough.

To what extent is the question. JJ had a much bigger hand in bringing in Carter than Okobo

Maybe..not sure how much influence Bower has on these things. I'm not sure they were out to get Carter though...they were just trying to dump Jackson...and had to swap Melton for Carter and give up picks to do that.

[bwoolf2]

y'all forget so quickly how streaky and one dimensional the Shank is. If choosing between Saric and the Shank, (cause we don't need both) give me Dario all day. This is not just because he is coming off his best game either. Watch him. Its all effort all the time. Dude knows how to play and doesn't crawl into a hole IF he misses a couple shots (like the Shank) I'd ink him for 3, Carter too. Letting real ballplayers leave this roster will be detrimental. Shank???? not so much.

You really dislike the guy, I agree he had a bad stretch where he got in his own head, but he also pulled himself out of it, I like him as the backup 4 and Saric as a backup 5 as long as they don't spend much time on the floor together, they are both very unathletic which causes issues when they share the floor for major minutes but you can get away with it for 5 minute spells, actually hoping for some continuity with this team haven't had that in Booker's entire time here.

[DirtyDez]

Beal is basically Booker last year but only one got ripped for being on a horrible team.

2018 Booker: 3.02 ORPM/-2.44 DRPM
2019 Beal: 3.31 ORPM/-3.69 DRPM

BUT B2B 50 POINT GAMES

[Frank Lee]

y'all forget so quickly how streaky and one dimensional the Shank is. If choosing between Saric and the Shank, (cause we don't need both) give me Dario all day. This is not just because he is coming off his best game either. Watch him. Its all effort all the time. Dude knows how to play and doesn't crawl into a hole IF he misses a couple shots (like the Shank) I'd ink him for 3, Carter too. Letting real ballplayers leave this roster will be detrimental. Shank???? not so much.

You really dislike the guy, I agree he had a bad stretch where he got in his own head, but he also pulled himself out of it, I like him as the backup 4 and Saric as a backup 5 as long as they don't spend much time on the floor together, they are both very unathletic which causes issues when they share the floor for major minutes but you can get away with it for 5 minute spells, actually hoping for some continuity with this team haven't had that in Booker's entire time here.

We don’t need both of them. They are equal now but Dario has upside.... and grit. He’s a baller

Yeah I don’t care much for Shank. Would rather give his minutes to CamJo, Saric and Cheiky D. I wonder if they’ll keep him just as a back up C. even there, I like Cheik better. I kind of expect to lose Baynes.

Next couple weeks some guys will be playing for jobs

[Slim Charless]

Offseason needs to be this

Get Markannen for Oubre and 2021 Protected 1st
Draft LaMelo (lets get the lottery) or Cole Anthony

Run with this

Rubio, LaMelo
Booker, Free Agent
Bridges, Johnson
Markannen , Saric
Ayton, Baynes or Pick up Center FA

Oubre and a 2121 1st? The deepest draft class in well over a decade? If anything they need to give us a 2020 1st or at least a swap if their pick is higher this year. I like Lauri but he hasn't done anything remotely equal to KO this season. I think KO and taking Felicio from them is more then enough. Or OPJ would also possibly work as well. Lauri has had a terrible year which means he should be available in a buy-low capacity. Key words there are "buy-low" however.

With the way this starting 5 is playing - not sure I would do KO for LM - but I would for sure not give up FRP pick. As you stated Markkanen needs to be a buy low option. The Bulls cap is fine for the summer of 2021 so not really sure they need to offload a contract this year. But if I am doing KO for LM - might want Satoransky. All of that - at this point - I think

keep the same starting 5
bring back Frank and Carter
see what it takes for Saric on the cheap
go hard for a player like Bogdan
if not don't overpay but may find a wing player for cheap
hopefuly Cam, Jerome and the FRP fill in the edges

Yeah. It's a tough call. Oubre is playing way better and is still very young. He also provides some fire that we need. Tech or not, when he banged that right in Gobert's face last night was awesome and fired the team up. He's also Booker's boy so that helps too. If both guys continue playing the way they have this season then that think I'll pass unless bulls sweeten the deal.

The Saric we got last night is like the perfect 4 to complement DA and Booker. We cant always count on that, I'd like him back cheap and grab someone in the draft or a young, buy low candidate at PF. Lauri is great if he comes cheaply, Portis from NYC also would work.

[Walt_Uoob]

y'all forget so quickly how streaky and one dimensional the Shank is. If choosing between Saric and the Shank, (cause we don't need both) give me Dario all day. This is not just because he is coming off his best game either. Watch him. Its all effort all the time. Dude knows how to play and doesn't crawl into a hole IF he misses a couple shots (like the Shank) I'd ink him for 3, Carter too. Letting real ballplayers leave this roster will be detrimental. Shank???? not so much.

You really dislike the guy, I agree he had a bad stretch where he got in his own head, but he also pulled himself out of it, I like him as the backup 4 and Saric as a backup 5 as long as they don't spend much time on the floor together, they are both very unathletic which causes issues when they share the floor for major minutes but you can get away with it for 5 minute spells, actually hoping for some continuity with this team haven't had that in Booker's entire time here.

We don’t need both of them. They are equal now but Dario has upside.... and grit. He’s a baller

Yeah I don’t care much for Shank. Would rather give his minutes to CamJo, Saric and Cheiky D. I wonder if they’ll keep him just as a back up C. even there, I like Cheik better. I kind of expect to lose Baynes.

Next couple weeks some guys will be playing for jobs

Wow, thank you for saying this stuff about Saric, because it is kind of shocking to me. I will try to hear this with an open mind and look for this side of Saric going forward. I would not have remotely considered describing him with phrases like "all effort all the time" / "grit" / "a baller." I've only seen about 1/3 of the games this year but what I've mostly noticed has been him loafing around the court looking disconnected and lazy while occasionally getting hot from 3. I saw him dash out to contest a 3 in the Jazz game and literally exclaimed that I didn't know he could move that fast. But maybe I'm mistaking lack of athleticism for lack of effort or I'm just missing his good plays because they blend into the team offense/defense.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Beal is basically Booker last year but only one got ripped for being on a horrible team.

2018 Booker: 3.02 ORPM/-2.44 DRPM
2019 Beal: 3.31 ORPM/-3.69 DRPM

BUT B2B 50 POINT GAMES

Beal did get left off the all-star team in the weak ass east so I'd say he's being punished for being on a bad team.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Few notes on the recent posts.

Sure I'd love Saric back as a backup 5, I agree on that. Depends on the cost obviously but I can't see him having a super robust market.

I've been rooting for okobo and still believe he's talented but Carter is simply the better option now and if he can be brought back cheap I'm cool with that and Okobo is definitely on the bubble.

The booker leaving thing. With any player it's a complex situation with some things a team can control and some they can not. Guys all stay or leave for unique reasons, we've seen guys leave very good teams. Best to really broach the subject seriously in the summer of 22, he'll be early extension eligible and with 2 years left on his deal he'll have some power to ask out but still a high trade value. Figure it out then.

The Chriss, Bender, JJ thing every time they have a decent game. It's easy to say just keep all young guys and be patient but the reality is you always have to make some choices on guys because at a certain point they clog up your cap The three would have been around 21 mil combined this season and if you add in TJ you're looking at 33ish mil. Plus playing time, there comes a time by the end of a rookie deal where you either need to play or get rid of dudes. Bender and Chriss are fun little reclomation projects on minimum deals now but that's not the case if you have them on the final year of a lotto pick rookie scale. Memphis didn't pick up Jacksons option so he'll be a UFA this summer, I bet nobody pays him the 9mil he was set to earn on the 4th year of his rookie deal.

The projects that are easier to be patient with are the Leaque, Okobo, even Diallo types who are young and super cheap basically just costing you a roster spot. Plus being later picks there isn't the pressure to actually play them if they aren't ready.

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[King4Day]

Beal is basically Booker last year but only one got ripped for being on a horrible team.

2018 Booker: 3.02 ORPM/-2.44 DRPM
2019 Beal: 3.31 ORPM/-3.69 DRPM

BUT B2B 50 POINT GAMES

I wanted to mention this but forgot. Beal has back to back 50pt games and loses, and people praise him. Booker does it and it's him stat padding.

[Kerrsed]

Beal is basically Booker last year but only one got ripped for being on a horrible team.

2018 Booker: 3.02 ORPM/-2.44 DRPM
2019 Beal: 3.31 ORPM/-3.69 DRPM

BUT B2B 50 POINT GAMES

I wanted to mention this but forgot. Beal has back to back 50pt games and loses, and people praise him. Booker does it and it's him stat padding.

Its the Phoenix Curse. No matter the player or how good he is, as long as he wears a Suns jersey he will always be trashed. Other players from other teams will be on the same level or even worse and they shall be praised, but not our guys. They will forever be trash......until they are traded, then all of a sudden they will be considered a gem, a solid or even great player, one that we are all of a sudden "Crazy" for trading or letting go. Whenever the jersey says Suns, they will get no respect whatsoever.

[ATTL]

Beal is basically Booker last year but only one got ripped for being on a horrible team.

2018 Booker: 3.02 ORPM/-2.44 DRPM
2019 Beal: 3.31 ORPM/-3.69 DRPM

BUT B2B 50 POINT GAMES

I wanted to mention this but forgot. Beal has back to back 50pt games and loses, and people praise him. Booker does it and it's him stat padding.

Its the Phoenix Curse. No matter the player or how good he is, as long as he wears a Suns jersey he will always be trashed. Other players from other teams will be on the same level or even worse and they shall be praised, but not our guys. They will forever be trash......until they are traded, then all of a sudden they will be considered a gem, a solid or even great player, one that we are all of a sudden "Crazy" for trading or letting go. Whenever the jersey says Suns, they will get no respect whatsoever.

Bledsoe
Tj Warren
Pj tucker

Are recent examples of this. Its amazing how people change their view of them on this board and in media yet act like they always said they were good.

[RunDogGun]

Offseason needs to be this

Get Markannen for Oubre and 2021 Protected 1st
Draft LaMelo (lets get the lottery) or Cole Anthony

Run with this

Rubio, LaMelo
Booker, Free Agent
Bridges, Johnson
Markannen , Saric
Ayton, Baynes or Pick up Center FA

Hmm - with the way this starting 5 is rolling - I am not sure the need for a "4" is as much as having a true guy off the bench that can fill it up. Hence, I think thats why Bogdan is mentioned.

Saric maybe back for 5-6m as a back up4
bring back Frank
throw a crap load of money at a guy like Bogdan that can come off the bench playing the 2.
draft the best player - don't get cute - best player on the board. Maybe re-visit Kennard with this pick too. he would be a solid third guard.

hope Jerome and Carter can be your 4th and 5th guard

I think with how well the starters are playing together, and all of them being under contract, I say run that squad to start next season. No real rush to alter it for a player with injury history, let alone adding a pick. We have Frank for another season, and if he is healthy, I really like him as our first big off the bench. I am cool with Saric returning on the cheap, but I just don't know if he will want to sign for cheap. Bringing back Carter is high on my priority list unless we happened to convince Bogdan to come here. Hopefully Jerome works his butt of this offseason, and really looks to run Monty's offense coming off the bench.

If we can't get Bogdan, then I could see us looking at the Kennard trade again, but his injury history is concerning for me. When its both knees, and he has been out a while with no idea of return time table, I just don't want to give up assets to get a player with knee issues. I also wouldn't mind taking a chance on Valentine, who I think is a FA, or maybe a RFA. I think he could be had on the cheap, and with a fresh start, maybe return to the potential he had from the draft. He had four years at MSU, and ended with a 19/7.5/7.8 season.

[RunDogGun]

I wanted to mention this but forgot. Beal has back to back 50pt games and loses, and people praise him. Booker does it and it's him stat padding.

Its the Phoenix Curse. No matter the player or how good he is, as long as he wears a Suns jersey he will always be trashed. Other players from other teams will be on the same level or even worse and they shall be praised, but not our guys. They will forever be trash......until they are traded, then all of a sudden they will be considered a gem, a solid or even great player, one that we are all of a sudden "Crazy" for trading or letting go. Whenever the jersey says Suns, they will get no respect whatsoever.

Bledsoe
Tj Warren
Pj tucker

Are recent examples of this. Its amazing how people change their view of them on this board and in media yet act like they always said they were good.

I always liked both Warren and Tucker. I think I always defended them, and thought they were a good pairing of forwards.

Bledsoe, I am forever disappointed in. He purposely played poorly before we traded him. He has talent, and we did give him a chance to showcase that talent. So in a way, he is dead to me.