2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

[WeekapaugGroove]

Jerome and Lecque are still under contract. Jerome's is guaranteed, cant remember if Lecque is or not. So you're going to have minimum of 7 guards no matter what. Are you comfortable with Diallo playing big minutes? Because if Ayton or Baynes goes down with an injury, you're looking at 12-20 minutes of Diallo every night. That doesn't sit well with me. Also, what if Saric and Baynes get big FA offers? What if Baynes get an offer from a contender and bolts? What if Saric gets offered 3/$40m and the Suns don't want to match?

Too many question marks. Need to add one guard, and one big.

Jerome and Lecque to G League. Sign a vet min big

Bobby Portis (What is his market going to be)?
Willie Cauley Stein

If you're sold on Vassel then by all means add an additional pick to get him. But I don't think putting all our ammunition into the guard spot is the best move for this team. Guard play is, in general, a strength whereas big man play has been a weakness. Of 15 roster spots, SEVEN are currently occupied by guards. We invested picks and money into Jerome and Lecque in hopes they will improve and become rotation players. I'm not saying don't upgrade, but essentially by drafting and signing a Free Agent guard you're giving up on both of them, which is fine, but I'd rather give up on both of them to strengthen a position of weakness, which is the 4 and 5 slots.

Portis will definitely get more than the vet min. WCS? No thank you. And again, there is no guarantee in free agency. What if, and this isn't THAT unlikely, we decline Frank and Diallo, then we enter negotiations to resign Saric and Baynes. WCS and Portis, along with other serviceable Free Agents, sign elsewhere while we are in talks, but then talks breakdown and Baynes leaves and joins a playoff team, and Saric joins Miami or someone who gives him a bigger offer.

We are left holding our....well, you get the idea. The point is, if we draft a big man, we can avoid the worst case scenario which is having to fill in the roster around Ayton with crap, and/or overpaying for Saric and/or Baynes and limiting what we can do in 2021.

I'm not opposed to taking a big but you shouldn't draft for need at the 10th pick, that's a valuable pick and you should take the best prospect available.

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[King4Day]

Not sure how I missed this.
What do people think of this idea?
I really don't think I'd do it. Not to say the offers aren't fair but the dude can't shoot and is scared to try. Meanwhile, we'd then lose our best shooter in the trade.

Last Word on Pro Basketball had the Suns giving up Kelly Oubre Jr., Cameron Johnson and first-round draft picks in 2020 and 2020 for Simmons and Mike Scott.

Tyler Marling wrote: "This deal could very well be a bad move for Simmons. Opposed to being paired up with Embiid, he is a part of a triumvirate with budding superstar Devin Booker and Embiid clone Deandre Ayton. For the Phoenix Suns, however, this is a risk they are willing to take. They lose Kelly Oubre Jr., who has become a very good player on the wing and Cameron Johnson, who provides excellent shooting. However, they add a proven All-Star in Simmons. They also receive Mike Scott. Scott is a throw in to make salaries work. However, he also can provide a solid scoring punch off of the bench. The 76ers get back two excellent wing players who are both excellent shooters, especially Johnson. They also add the number 10 pick in the 2020 NBA Draft, which they could package with their own pick (21st) to move up to select a point guard. Oubre Jr. can be a solid number two or number three option to Embiid with Tobias Harris also providing scoring punch in those roles."

MORE:The unfounded Booker trade speculation has returned

The Game Haus suggested Phoenix trading Ricky Rubio, Kelly Oubre, Cameron Johnson and the team's No. 10 pick in the 2020 NBA draft for Simmons

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2020/08/24/ben-simmons-trade-speculation-phoenix-suns-included-76-ers-chatter/5627183002/

[Barkley6]

Jerome and Lecque to G League. Sign a vet min big

Bobby Portis (What is his market going to be)?
Willie Cauley Stein

If you're sold on Vassel then by all means add an additional pick to get him. But I don't think putting all our ammunition into the guard spot is the best move for this team. Guard play is, in general, a strength whereas big man play has been a weakness. Of 15 roster spots, SEVEN are currently occupied by guards. We invested picks and money into Jerome and Lecque in hopes they will improve and become rotation players. I'm not saying don't upgrade, but essentially by drafting and signing a Free Agent guard you're giving up on both of them, which is fine, but I'd rather give up on both of them to strengthen a position of weakness, which is the 4 and 5 slots.

Portis will definitely get more than the vet min. WCS? No thank you. And again, there is no guarantee in free agency. What if, and this isn't THAT unlikely, we decline Frank and Diallo, then we enter negotiations to resign Saric and Baynes. WCS and Portis, along with other serviceable Free Agents, sign elsewhere while we are in talks, but then talks breakdown and Baynes leaves and joins a playoff team, and Saric joins Miami or someone who gives him a bigger offer.

We are left holding our....well, you get the idea. The point is, if we draft a big man, we can avoid the worst case scenario which is having to fill in the roster around Ayton with crap, and/or overpaying for Saric and/or Baynes and limiting what we can do in 2021.

I'm not opposed to taking a big but you shouldn't draft for need at the 10th pick, that's a valuable pick and you should take the best prospect available.

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The draft is deeper at guard than forward or center. The top end F/C talent is there at 10. You could still get a decent wing at 20 or 22.

[Barkley6]

Not sure how I missed this.
What do people think of this idea?
I really don't think I'd do it. Not to say the offers aren't fair but the dude can't shoot and is scared to try. Meanwhile, we'd then lose our best shooter in the trade.

Last Word on Pro Basketball had the Suns giving up Kelly Oubre Jr., Cameron Johnson and first-round draft picks in 2020 and 2020 for Simmons and Mike Scott.

Tyler Marling wrote: "This deal could very well be a bad move for Simmons. Opposed to being paired up with Embiid, he is a part of a triumvirate with budding superstar Devin Booker and Embiid clone Deandre Ayton. For the Phoenix Suns, however, this is a risk they are willing to take. They lose Kelly Oubre Jr., who has become a very good player on the wing and Cameron Johnson, who provides excellent shooting. However, they add a proven All-Star in Simmons. They also receive Mike Scott. Scott is a throw in to make salaries work. However, he also can provide a solid scoring punch off of the bench. The 76ers get back two excellent wing players who are both excellent shooters, especially Johnson. They also add the number 10 pick in the 2020 NBA Draft, which they could package with their own pick (21st) to move up to select a point guard. Oubre Jr. can be a solid number two or number three option to Embiid with Tobias Harris also providing scoring punch in those roles."

MORE:The unfounded Booker trade speculation has returned

The Game Haus suggested Phoenix trading Ricky Rubio, Kelly Oubre, Cameron Johnson and the team's No. 10 pick in the 2020 NBA draft for Simmons

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2020/08/24/ben-simmons-trade-speculation-phoenix-suns-included-76-ers-chatter/5627183002/

Nope. This doesn't make us better. We're trading 3 rotation players, (and possibly a 4th depending on how you view the 10 pick) for one. This is what our team would look like

Simmons/Payne
Booker/Carter
Bridges/?
Saric/?
Ayton/Baynes

So while the starting group seems like a lot of fun and a really good team, that team is an injury away from being really bad.

What if Simmons, who doesn't exactly have a clean injury bill, goes down? We turn into garbage city.
What happens if Bridges gets hurt? Who else even plays the 3 on that roster?

I would be super unhappy with this trade.

[Saberestar]

Not sure if James Jones has already repaired the bad relationship between Robert Sarver and Rich Paul.

Ben Simmons is a Rich Paul's client. I just don't see him being traded here just because of that.

Agent Rich Paul went fishing for a contract extension for point guard Eric Bledsoe. He framed it as a way to soothe his client’s unhappiness over the Suns’ treatment of Bledsoe the previous season, when the Suns shut him down near the end of the season in an effort to tank games.

It became heated and personal between Paul and Sarver. Paul knows how to push buttons, Sarver doesn’t back away from confrontation and chaos ensued. It was increasingly awkward, as Paul also represented head coach Earl Watson.

Sources say Sarver took an extraordinary step, giving Watson 10 days to fire Paul or Watson himself would be fired.

Watson talked to his lawyer. He talked to former players. He decided, as a young Black head coach, that he could not fire a young Black agent just because the owner said so. Not without losing a big chunk of his credibility.

Sarver has a different recollection. He says he counseled Watson to fire his agent, as Paul’s adversarial dealings were again inflicting damage on the organization.

Either way, Watson was fired three games into the season. Bledsoe demanded a trade. The locker room was aware of everything, and the culture couldn’t have been worse. Same with McDonough’s leverage in the organization.

https://arizonasports.com/story/2366877/behind-the-scenes-of-suns-chaos-ending-in-drafting-ayton-over-doncic/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[BobbieL]

Jerome and Lecque to G League. Sign a vet min big

Bobby Portis (What is his market going to be)?
Willie Cauley Stein

If you're sold on Vassel then by all means add an additional pick to get him. But I don't think putting all our ammunition into the guard spot is the best move for this team. Guard play is, in general, a strength whereas big man play has been a weakness. Of 15 roster spots, SEVEN are currently occupied by guards. We invested picks and money into Jerome and Lecque in hopes they will improve and become rotation players. I'm not saying don't upgrade, but essentially by drafting and signing a Free Agent guard you're giving up on both of them, which is fine, but I'd rather give up on both of them to strengthen a position of weakness, which is the 4 and 5 slots.

Portis will definitely get more than the vet min. WCS? No thank you. And again, there is no guarantee in free agency. What if, and this isn't THAT unlikely, we decline Frank and Diallo, then we enter negotiations to resign Saric and Baynes. WCS and Portis, along with other serviceable Free Agents, sign elsewhere while we are in talks, but then talks breakdown and Baynes leaves and joins a playoff team, and Saric joins Miami or someone who gives him a bigger offer.

We are left holding our....well, you get the idea. The point is, if we draft a big man, we can avoid the worst case scenario which is having to fill in the roster around Ayton with crap, and/or overpaying for Saric and/or Baynes and limiting what we can do in 2021.

I'm not opposed to taking a big but you shouldn't draft for need at the 10th pick, that's a valuable pick and you should take the best prospect available.

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I agree. Don't get hung up on position - get the best basketball player for the team and system. Would I prefer a guy who can shoot - for sure. But a 4 who can rebound and defend - thats not bad either.

I remember what a guy like Salley (picked 11th) and Rodman (2nd round) brought to those Detroit teams. Defense, rebounds, block shots, and energy.

[BobbieL]

Not sure how I missed this.
What do people think of this idea?
I really don't think I'd do it. Not to say the offers aren't fair but the dude can't shoot and is scared to try. Meanwhile, we'd then lose our best shooter in the trade.

Last Word on Pro Basketball had the Suns giving up Kelly Oubre Jr., Cameron Johnson and first-round draft picks in 2020 and 2020 for Simmons and Mike Scott.

Tyler Marling wrote: "This deal could very well be a bad move for Simmons. Opposed to being paired up with Embiid, he is a part of a triumvirate with budding superstar Devin Booker and Embiid clone Deandre Ayton. For the Phoenix Suns, however, this is a risk they are willing to take. They lose Kelly Oubre Jr., who has become a very good player on the wing and Cameron Johnson, who provides excellent shooting. However, they add a proven All-Star in Simmons. They also receive Mike Scott. Scott is a throw in to make salaries work. However, he also can provide a solid scoring punch off of the bench. The 76ers get back two excellent wing players who are both excellent shooters, especially Johnson. They also add the number 10 pick in the 2020 NBA Draft, which they could package with their own pick (21st) to move up to select a point guard. Oubre Jr. can be a solid number two or number three option to Embiid with Tobias Harris also providing scoring punch in those roles."

MORE:The unfounded Booker trade speculation has returned

The Game Haus suggested Phoenix trading Ricky Rubio, Kelly Oubre, Cameron Johnson and the team's No. 10 pick in the 2020 NBA draft for Simmons

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2020/08/24/ben-simmons-trade-speculation-phoenix-suns-included-76-ers-chatter/5627183002/

Nope. This doesn't make us better. We're trading 3 rotation players, (and possibly a 4th depending on how you view the 10 pick) for one. This is what our team would look like

Simmons/Payne
Booker/Carter
Bridges/?
Saric/?
Ayton/Baynes

So while the starting group seems like a lot of fun and a really good team, that team is an injury away from being really bad.

What if Simmons, who doesn't exactly have a clean injury bill, goes down? We turn into garbage city.
What happens if Bridges gets hurt? Who else even plays the 3 on that roster?

I would be super unhappy with this trade.

I am going to say No Deal Howie - No Deal!

[cberry78]

Not sure how I missed this.
What do people think of this idea?
I really don't think I'd do it. Not to say the offers aren't fair but the dude can't shoot and is scared to try. Meanwhile, we'd then lose our best shooter in the trade.

Last Word on Pro Basketball had the Suns giving up Kelly Oubre Jr., Cameron Johnson and first-round draft picks in 2020 and 2020 for Simmons and Mike Scott.

Tyler Marling wrote: "This deal could very well be a bad move for Simmons. Opposed to being paired up with Embiid, he is a part of a triumvirate with budding superstar Devin Booker and Embiid clone Deandre Ayton. For the Phoenix Suns, however, this is a risk they are willing to take. They lose Kelly Oubre Jr., who has become a very good player on the wing and Cameron Johnson, who provides excellent shooting. However, they add a proven All-Star in Simmons. They also receive Mike Scott. Scott is a throw in to make salaries work. However, he also can provide a solid scoring punch off of the bench. The 76ers get back two excellent wing players who are both excellent shooters, especially Johnson. They also add the number 10 pick in the 2020 NBA Draft, which they could package with their own pick (21st) to move up to select a point guard. Oubre Jr. can be a solid number two or number three option to Embiid with Tobias Harris also providing scoring punch in those roles."

MORE:The unfounded Booker trade speculation has returned

The Game Haus suggested Phoenix trading Ricky Rubio, Kelly Oubre, Cameron Johnson and the team's No. 10 pick in the 2020 NBA draft for Simmons

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2020/08/24/ben-simmons-trade-speculation-phoenix-suns-included-76-ers-chatter/5627183002/

[WeekapaugGroove]

Not sure how I missed this.
What do people think of this idea?
I really don't think I'd do it. Not to say the offers aren't fair but the dude can't shoot and is scared to try. Meanwhile, we'd then lose our best shooter in the trade.

Last Word on Pro Basketball had the Suns giving up Kelly Oubre Jr., Cameron Johnson and first-round draft picks in 2020 and 2020 for Simmons and Mike Scott.

Tyler Marling wrote: "This deal could very well be a bad move for Simmons. Opposed to being paired up with Embiid, he is a part of a triumvirate with budding superstar Devin Booker and Embiid clone Deandre Ayton. For the Phoenix Suns, however, this is a risk they are willing to take. They lose Kelly Oubre Jr., who has become a very good player on the wing and Cameron Johnson, who provides excellent shooting. However, they add a proven All-Star in Simmons. They also receive Mike Scott. Scott is a throw in to make salaries work. However, he also can provide a solid scoring punch off of the bench. The 76ers get back two excellent wing players who are both excellent shooters, especially Johnson. They also add the number 10 pick in the 2020 NBA Draft, which they could package with their own pick (21st) to move up to select a point guard. Oubre Jr. can be a solid number two or number three option to Embiid with Tobias Harris also providing scoring punch in those roles."

MORE:The unfounded Booker trade speculation has returned

The Game Haus suggested Phoenix trading Ricky Rubio, Kelly Oubre, Cameron Johnson and the team's No. 10 pick in the 2020 NBA draft for Simmons

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2020/08/24/ben-simmons-trade-speculation-phoenix-suns-included-76-ers-chatter/5627183002/

I love Cam and oubre but I'd do that deal in a heartbeat. You contend with elite players and Simmons is an elite player. Him and Bridges would be a monster defensive combo at the F spots.

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[Wilber85]

Here is another from me

Oubre ,filler & Pick 10 for Levert, Dinwiddie, 2nd

sign payne, sign baynes 1 year, saric and carter
Jerome (g league) lecque G league

rubio, dinwiddie, payne
Booker, Carter
Johnson, Levert
bridges, Saric, 2nd
Ayton, Baynes, 2nd

[bwgood77]

... Since Deni and Obi are likely to be there?

Perhaps we trade up to #2, then trade down. Though I imagine if we think there's another cornerstone available, we'll just take him.

I think it's such a crapshoot as to who teams' value, that if you really like 1 guy, you take him and don't mess with trading down. But if we were happy with, say, Deni, Obi or Tyrese, then we could try to trade down to like 4 or 5.

Did you say LaMelo is your #1? I heard a case the other day on a pod (I listened to because I knew the guest) where they made a rationale to where LaMelo could drop to 8...they simply went through every team and the rationale at each spot kind of made sense in some respect. Of course it was a Knicks pod too.

I heard a case the other day on a pod (I listened to because I knew the guest) where they made a rationale to where LaMelo could drop to 8...

That wouldn't be Ben Pfeifer on the prep to pro podcast by chance would it man?

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4abVNmfui8rBE7kFO22oRc?si=WbIMk-vbRNqReCa3Hj3yRA

Any which way you slice it, I just can't see all of Minnesota (1) / Golden state(2)/ Chicago(4)/ Atlanta (6)/ Detroit (7) / New York ( 8). All passing on Ball. It just won't happen. I don't think he makes it past Chicago for sure. And definitely not past Detroit! Anyways, It'll be an interesting night for sure.

Maybe...in the scenario..he wouldn't slide past NY. Well in Atlanta's case it's because Trae is already one of the best passer in the NBA. Ball's strength is passing and his weakness other than shooting is defense.

Detroit doesn't make sense. Chicago argument I believe came down to taking a PG last year. They also have a log of guards. Not sure about their wing position....I know they have Porter but he was out all of last year, and he only has a player option for this year. I know he will almost certainly exercise it for that money, but a wing of the future, with all the guards they have might make sense...could probably use a good 3D wing.

Sato, White and Dunn all played 25 minutes a game and they have Ryan Arci....and perhaps none should prevent taking Ball but they also have ball handling LaVine and little for wings...versatility guarding big 2s and 3s.

I haven't watched much of Ball though. I know he isn't a shooter. What, is he like Ben Simmons lite without the D?

[jredsaz]

Man. Windhorst confirmed my suspicions that Sarver is rumored to be cutting spending for the upcoming season. Wants to slash salary... The interview was on Bickley & Marotta on 98.7 today.

[jredsaz]

Not sure how I missed this.
What do people think of this idea?
I really don't think I'd do it. Not to say the offers aren't fair but the dude can't shoot and is scared to try. Meanwhile, we'd then lose our best shooter in the trade.

Last Word on Pro Basketball had the Suns giving up Kelly Oubre Jr., Cameron Johnson and first-round draft picks in 2020 and 2020 for Simmons and Mike Scott.

Tyler Marling wrote: "This deal could very well be a bad move for Simmons. Opposed to being paired up with Embiid, he is a part of a triumvirate with budding superstar Devin Booker and Embiid clone Deandre Ayton. For the Phoenix Suns, however, this is a risk they are willing to take. They lose Kelly Oubre Jr., who has become a very good player on the wing and Cameron Johnson, who provides excellent shooting. However, they add a proven All-Star in Simmons. They also receive Mike Scott. Scott is a throw in to make salaries work. However, he also can provide a solid scoring punch off of the bench. The 76ers get back two excellent wing players who are both excellent shooters, especially Johnson. They also add the number 10 pick in the 2020 NBA Draft, which they could package with their own pick (21st) to move up to select a point guard. Oubre Jr. can be a solid number two or number three option to Embiid with Tobias Harris also providing scoring punch in those roles."

MORE:The unfounded Booker trade speculation has returned

The Game Haus suggested Phoenix trading Ricky Rubio, Kelly Oubre, Cameron Johnson and the team's No. 10 pick in the 2020 NBA draft for Simmons

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2020/08/24/ben-simmons-trade-speculation-phoenix-suns-included-76-ers-chatter/5627183002/

Nope. This doesn't make us better. We're trading 3 rotation players, (and possibly a 4th depending on how you view the 10 pick) for one. This is what our team would look like

Simmons/Payne
Booker/Carter
Bridges/?
Saric/?
Ayton/Baynes

So while the starting group seems like a lot of fun and a really good team, that team is an injury away from being really bad.

What if Simmons, who doesn't exactly have a clean injury bill, goes down? We turn into garbage city.
What happens if Bridges gets hurt? Who else even plays the 3 on that roster?

I would be super unhappy with this trade.

That is crazy man. Suns would have to take that kind of upgrade. Simmons, Booker, Ayton would be crazy fun. Would need Ayton to develop that jump shot quick.Also, as has been pointed out, the fact that Rich Paul is Simmons agent probably puts an end to this speculation. No way Sarver agrees to tie a major piece of the franchise to Klutch. Its petty but that's Robert Saver.

[matt131]

Man. Windhorst confirmed my suspicions that Sarver is rumored to be cutting spending for the upcoming season. Wants to slash salary... The interview was on Bickley & Marotta on 98.7 today.

If the dude is going to own an NBA team, he needs to actually have the funds to run a successful business.

Literally everyone hates him. He would make so much money if he sold the team (probably 3 times the amount he's worth currently). Why doesn't he just go ahead and do that? What is he holding on to?

[Weemsickew14]

Here is another from me

Oubre ,filler & Pick 10 for Levert, Dinwiddie, 2nd

sign payne, sign baynes 1 year, saric and carter
Jerome (g league) lecque G league

rubio, dinwiddie, payne
Booker, Carter
Johnson, Levert
bridges, Saric, 2nd
Ayton, Baynes, 2nd

I like the idea of pursing one of Levert or Dinwidde. I dont think there is any way they trade both (or even one of them) as they are on great contracts. Oubre for Dinwiddie might be most realistic with how Levert has played in the bubble. I would do that then draft Vassell or Saddiq Bey.

[bwgood77]

Why would FVV want to leave Toronto? Why would Toronto not offer him a reasonable contract? FVV is a terrific player, he's thrived under Nick Nurse, and Nurse has gotten more out of him than any other coach could have. I imagine Fred stays put.

Yeah, the guy is starting on the defending champions who have a very good shot imo of getting back to the finals, and maybe winning. This series against the Celtics is going to be crazy, but I still give them the edge and feel they can beat the Bucks too....I will say, though, that I think the Heat are going to be a tough out for anyone...the Bucks or the Raptors (or Celtics).

FVV would need to start.

But the main point is there is no way Toronto lets him go....he's too valuable...he's their future along with Pascal. I think they'd easily sooner part with Lowry.

Now if he is Unrestricted and someone offers him a monster contract and starting position that Toronto is hesitant to match, that's the only possibility but I still think Toronto will pay him and I think he might even stay for less money.

Isn't FVV an unrestricted free agent? He was a RFA two summers ago, so the Raptors have no say in letting him go and what not. He can simply decide where he wants to go.
I'm not really interested in FVV personally, but since he's being discussed might as well entertain the idea to some extent. I don't see why he would stay with the Raptors for less money either. He has only gotten roughly $20 million from his entire NBA career, I imagine he wants to maximize how much he gets paid, and this is the summer for him to do it. If I was Van Vleet I'd take the highest bid and play there, you've already won a championship.

You are correct, but few teams have cap space to pay him what his market value would be on an open market. Unless he wants to go to Atlanta, NY or Detroit. If he wants out despite the Raptors offering what another one would, then maybe he leaves.

[bwgood77]

There have been a lot of players who have struggled after leaving Toronto’s system and I do worry that FVV becomes one of them.

I like his game a lot but it’s something to be aware of.

Read an article that he is expected to receive $25-30M/yr type contract. I wouldn’t touch him with even half that. The most that’s realistically possible would be about $10M-11M/yr deal. Something similar to what Spencer Dinwiddie got because they are about the same caliber as players to me.

$10M for FVV would be incredible, but he would need to fire his agent after that. Lou Williams signed a supercheap contract a few years ago too, another mistake IMO.

Dinwiddie took a huge discount to be part of a contender. He recruited Kyrie and Durant, he would get a lot more money in the open market.

FVV would be a dream come true. The guy can do it all and is TOUGH. He would be perfect as part as our core, but Masai will not lose a player like that. Not happening.

There have been a lot of players who have struggled after leaving Toronto’s system and I do worry that FVV becomes one of them.

I like his game a lot but it’s something to be aware of.

Read an article that he is expected to receive $25-30M/yr type contract. I wouldn’t touch him with even half that. The most that’s realistically possible would be about $10M-11M/yr deal. Something similar to what Spencer Dinwiddie got because they are about the same caliber as players to me.

$10M for FVV would be incredible, but he would need to fire his agent after that. Lou Williams signed a supercheap contract a few years ago too, another mistake IMO.

Dinwiddie took a huge discount to be part of a contender. He recruited Kyrie and Durant, he would get a lot more money in the open market.

FVV would be a dream come true. The guy can do it all and is TOUGH. He would be perfect as part as our core, but Masai will not lose a player like that. Not happening.

Yeah that's a crazy low number for Van Vleet, he's getting PAID this off-season.

One minor correction Dinwiddie took that contract because it was the highest amount he could get under the CBA for an early extension which he signed during the season, he chose the financial security instead of trying to hit the market as a RFA later. I actually do think he might end up getting traded this summer.

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There is also the fact that FVV is way better than Dinwiddie too.

[bwgood77]

Jerome and Lecque are still under contract. Jerome's is guaranteed, cant remember if Lecque is or not. So you're going to have minimum of 7 guards no matter what. Are you comfortable with Diallo playing big minutes? Because if Ayton or Baynes goes down with an injury, you're looking at 12-20 minutes of Diallo every night. That doesn't sit well with me. Also, what if Saric and Baynes get big FA offers? What if Baynes get an offer from a contender and bolts? What if Saric gets offered 3/$40m and the Suns don't want to match?

Too many question marks. Need to add one guard, and one big.

Both Jerome and Lecque are guaranteed.

[Mjee]

Man. Windhorst confirmed my suspicions that Sarver is rumored to be cutting spending for the upcoming season. Wants to slash salary... The interview was on Bickley & Marotta on 98.7 today.

Say we cut spending this offseason and hold out for that 2021 FA class...

What happens if we CAN'T attract a big name FA superstar???

IDK...it's happened before ...

I'd cry

[WeekapaugGroove]

Man. Windhorst confirmed my suspicions that Sarver is rumored to be cutting spending for the upcoming season. Wants to slash salary... The interview was on Bickley & Marotta on 98.7 today.

Man combining Bickley and Windhorst creates a super power of bad media takes, yikes.

Sarver sold the gleague team so yeah he's cutting some costs. Here's the thing with actual player payroll, there's really not that big of a range this upcoming payroll could fall within. The NBA has a salary floor of 90% of the cap so using the $110m cap projection that's $99m if the suns are right around that number they deserve critsizm. Now the highest they actually actually be this year would be by bringing back all of Baynes, Saric, and Carter then signing a MLE. Given where market rates for those three fall the suns probably would max out at around $120ish in that scenario. So you see it's only around $20 mil of a range. Now the most likely scenario is one of Saric or Baynes leaves and the suns then spend to the cap then could add another $5 mil room exception.

If they cheap out they deserve scorn but I'm just trying to illustrate this isn't like the MLB where owners can drastically slash payroll.

What we really need to have happen is for sarver to sell in the next couple years because that's when payroll could actually get big with bird right extensions for Ayton, Bridges and a year later maybe Cam.

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