2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[Slim Charless]

I find it hilarious that Ayton is apparently not a good player and should be traded. Yet we should give a FRP for Tari "Jerami Grant 2.0" Eason even though we passed on Jerami Grant proper.

Well, don't you also think that OG is only worth a couple of seconds and Dario Saric.....

[dremill24]

Why is Tari a conversation? Everyone should call for him cause hes good? Probly why they would keep him lol

Hes also pretty low bbiq by most accounts so would maybe temper expectations on ceiling.

[bwgood77]

I would trade for GTJ if the Suns weren't comfortable ponying up 3 1st for Anunoby, however I feel he wouldn't want to play for the Suns and would likely tell his agent he'd prefer to go elsewhere. I think his most likely destination is the Mavs where he can be the No 2 scoring options behind Luka.

I like the idea of Crowder for Seth Curry, but I don't think TJ Warren wants to come back to the Suns. Can we pluck Watanabe from the Nets instead?

Ha yeah I don't think TJ would even show up for his post trade physical. And since he's missed the past few games he probably can't pass one.

I do have to tip my cap some here who are very very dedicated to an average player from one of the darkest times in suns history.


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He would just be a matching salary for a Curry trade (I didn't think they'd trade Curry, so I mentinoned Mills before, but I'd much rather trade for Curry).

You wouldn't make that trade for Crowder? TJ isn't the main target and I wouldn't expect much but there is upside as we saw in the bubble and in a lot of Suns games. If we waive him because of physical, fine. I'd prefer that deal to Nwora, Hill and Ibaka.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Ghost of Kleine]

I find it hilarious that Ayton is apparently not a good player and should be traded. Yet we should give a FRP for Tari "Jerami Grant 2.0" Eason even though we passed on Jerami Grant proper.

I think you might be misunderstanding me on this man. I'm not saying I'd like to trade Ayton or even would endorse it. But in a hypothetical premise IF WE WERE TO TRADE AYTON (which I think would be a big mistake)!! And they traded him to Houston, then Eason would absolutely have to be inclusive to the deal as the type of value I'd need to be getting back to consider trading him. In my "worst case scenario premise of trading Ayton to Houston, I had it being:

Ayton for Gordon/ Boban/Eason/ Fernando/ Houston 23' 1st.

OR
Ayton for Gordon/Eason/Porter Jr/ Fernando/ Milwaukee 23' 1st.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Financial implications?? Why would/ should there be any concerns over finances when Ishbia is taking control next week??

[kennydorglas]

Eason is the new Herb Jones.
When a team finds those type of dudes, its like they hit the jackpot.
Dont even bother calling them.

[spanishninja]

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Financial implications?? Why would/ should there be any concerns over finances when Ishbia is taking control next week??

Maybe Monty wanted to sign DJW to a minimum but Ishbia insisted on max contract.

[bwgood77]

As far as OG goes, if the Pelicans are in the mix, they could probably get him if they offer Herbert Jones and a couple picks out of their stash.

[lilfishi22]

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Any trades in here that you guys might do?

Don't like the idea of Grant without moving off some big long term salary (like DA). Just don't see how it could be sustainable even with an owner that is keen to spend.

No! And I hear that man,

That's why I mentioned that the following season IF NECESSARY, you look to move Ayton for a cheaper center. Maybe next season you move Ayton for a Valuncias or a Capela or a Poetl or a Turner? My personal preference would be to just do a follow up trade for Vucevic at the deadline IF you acquired Grant this trade deadline. So you have both aspects covered?

Yeah what I'm saying is that if this goes down, we'll need to make a salary dump kind of move which I really really don't like because you just rarely get full value back.

Ultimately, I am kinda worried about guys who are up for a new deal within a year or so. OG is up for a new deal next season and Grant is an expiring this year.

[lilfishi22]

I find it hilarious that Ayton is apparently not a good player and should be traded. Yet we should give a FRP for Tari "Jerami Grant 2.0" Eason even though we passed on Jerami Grant proper.

Speaking for myself, I think he's a good player. He does the dirty work, he plays his role and if you don't expect dominance from him game in game out, he's good. The problem is what he's getting paid to do those role player type of work and the fact that he's just not consistent with his impact.

I wouldn't trade him just to trade him but if we can reallocate a decent chunk of that money towards upgrading the PG position for example, I'd rather spend good money there then at the C.

[lilfishi22]

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Financial implications?? Why would/ should there be any concerns over finances when Ishbia is taking control next week??

Yeah it's probably not a big deal. Financial implications could just mean we didn't want to commit to signing him for the rest of the year while also taking up a roster spot so they opted to resign him on a 2-way. Signing him to DWJr 2-way spot gives us the flexibility sign someone else worthy to that open roster spot and flexibility to waive Lee without the financial implications of a full deal. It's not big money but when we're already well over the cap (comfortably in LT), every dollar matters when team building.

[Slim Charless]

I would trade for GTJ if the Suns weren't comfortable ponying up 3 1st for Anunoby, however I feel he wouldn't want to play for the Suns and would likely tell his agent he'd prefer to go elsewhere. I think his most likely destination is the Mavs where he can be the No 2 scoring options behind Luka.

I like the idea of Crowder for Seth Curry, but I don't think TJ Warren wants to come back to the Suns. Can we pluck Watanabe from the Nets instead?

Ha yeah I don't think TJ would even show up for his post trade physical. And since he's missed the past few games he probably can't pass one.

I do have to tip my cap some here who are very very dedicated to an average player from one of the darkest times in suns history.


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He would just be a matching salary for a Curry trade (I didn't think they'd trade Curry, so I mentinoned Mills before, but I'd much rather trade for Curry).

You wouldn't make that trade for Crowder? TJ isn't the main target and I wouldn't expect much but there is upside as we saw in the bubble and in a lot of Suns games. If we waive him because of physical, fine. I'd prefer that deal to Nwora, Hill and Ibaka.

CamJo, Dario and 2FRPs for OG then follow that up with Jae to Brooklyn for Seth Curry to restore our missing sniper?

That solves all of our problems. Dramatically increase our defense while maintaining our ability to fire from distance. Bonus being Seth is a PG so that gives us another option to handle the ball.

I just won us a chip.




J/K but thoughts........?

[Bogyo]

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Financial implications?? Why would/ should there be any concerns over finances when Ishbia is taking control next week??

Yeah it's probably not a big deal. Financial implications could just mean we didn't want to commit to signing him for the rest of the year while also taking up a roster spot so they opted to resign him on a 2-way. Signing him to DWJr 2-way spot gives us the flexibility sign someone else worthy to that open roster spot and flexibility to waive Lee without the financial implications of a full deal. It's not big money but when we're already well over the cap (comfortably in LT), every dollar matters when team building.

Yeah, this. Plus, we are talking about two 12th man type. With us being over the LT, and one costing a lot more (about 1-1,5 mill salary difference, doubled/tripled by the LT) I don't mind... DWJ was OK for what he is, but nothing special - same as Lee, while Lee also gives us this flexibility, and at the end of the day neither of them moves the needle in any meaningful way. So why spend 2-4 mill more on DWJ and lose flex?

[DirtyDez]

OG and FVV for Crowder, Saric, Payne, Craig (works in the trade machine)… How many picks would it take?

[Slim Charless]

OG and FVV for Crowder, Saric, Payne, Craig (works in the trade machine)… How many picks would it take?

[POLI]

I am back after 2/3 solid months expecting my old years90suns reinstated after some comments on my side explaining who ethnic group rules the world and probably this media we write on...

Well, I am back.

I do believe that the comeback of Booker and whoever players come here through the trades of Crowder and then probably Cam should improve our team tremendously. The thing is if we have enough time to make all click.

If the new ownership is willing to spent, then there are three targets to get in order to have a chance to a ring.

Let's consider Toronto's willingness to renew the roster, Vanvleet wants to leave and Anunoby is going to be traded. I do believe we could make a run at both for the right combination of picks, players and expirings. I would include anybody not called Ayton, Bridges or Booker and any pick. If Vanvleet and Anunoby can be obtained by a combination of Paul, Payne, Saric, Cam, Craig, Landale, Biyombo or any of the small guys and 2-3 picks, we are already wasting time here.

Then Crowder could land us a couple of useful players like Ibaka and Hill/Nwora. Of course, better Cannaughton, but the Buck's GM is no stupid man at all.

Vanvleet
Booker
Bridges
Anunoby
Ayton
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Payne
Hill/Nwora/Shamet
Craig
Ibaka
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Landale
Lee
Okogie


I believe that is enough for a title.

[King4Day]

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Financial implications?? Why would/ should there be any concerns over finances when Ishbia is taking control next week??

Likely means we'd have to sign him to a roster spot soon if we kept him

[sunsfan1o1]

I find it hilarious that Ayton is apparently not a good player and should be traded. Yet we should give a FRP for Tari "Jerami Grant 2.0" Eason even though we passed on Jerami Grant proper.

I agree. I value FRP a lot and would have a hard time giving them up for an unproven player. I think Eason will be good but it’s still a risk. Those type of players I try to get with a steal like when we got Bledsoe.
I save my first round picks to trade for a proven commodity.

[BobbieL]

OG and FVV for Crowder, Saric, Payne, Craig (works in the trade machine)… How many picks would it take?

I would rather have Scary Terry or D'Lo over FVV. He is the oldest of the three, the shortest of the three.

I think the move is to see if the Twolves - who are in the hunt for a playoff spot - so maybe they are not all that keen on trading him

7 days to go... been wanting this trade deadline since training camp with the Jae situation