2013 Draft Thread Part 3

[Saberestar]

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/6/11/4415974/plumlee-an-example-of-someone-who-could-go-in-lottery-suns-could-move

In my eyes, Plumlee = smoke screen.

Yes, I think so.
Our first option probably will be to reunite Oladipo and Zeller in our team. They are good in the locker room, hard workers, with good IQ and great shot selection and the chemistry will be very good.

[Frank Lee]

Though I'd like to see GrownAssMan on this squad...

So are you ok with the fact that he could just walk next season and we get nothing? Or that we attempt to sign and trade him, just to get pennies on the dollar? I just pray that McD isnt stupid enough to let this happen to us.....again.

I am also OK with him being a productive center and being re-signed. I am also OK with dealing him at the trade deadline if a good opportunity exists. I am also OK with this team retaining some player cohesion. Every contract comes to an end. But it doesn't always end with a player walking for nothing. TheGORTAT for #10 and change IS pennies on the dollar IMO.

Your sub conscience tank is showing, and your case of draft fever is flaring up again.

With Gortat now playing for the Phoenix Suns, it appears their personal relationship has become non-existent. During the Magic’s 111-88 victory over the Suns on Sunday afternoon, Gortat and Howard never even acknowledged each other.

“We didn’t say to each other one word. We didn’t shake our hands, we didn’t talk to each other, we didn’t say anything. And that’s fine; at the end of the day he’s on a different team, I’m on a different team, and I’m a grown-ass man. I don’t need him any more.”

[Revived]

It was a bit of a turnoff when I read that he wasn't competing last week. It made me really respect victor and shabazz more to hear about them going against each other.

They always do this though. The higher guy on draft boards doesn't usually compete, because it can only hurt them.

This is all the agent behind this though. Most of the players would love to play. Trey Burke wouldn't compete against the other pgs either.

It might hurt McLemore though, but in my opinion, that would be a good thing, because we might end up getting him. I seriously doubt he is not competing because he doesn't feel like it or is scared or anything. He's advised not to and TOLD it can't help him but COULD cost him.

How can working out hurt them? Through injury?

I'm not questioning you, I'm just curious and want to know because I have heard of the whole "top prospects can only hurt themselves by competing" and I never understood what that meant.

[Revived]

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/6/11/4415974/plumlee-an-example-of-someone-who-could-go-in-lottery-suns-could-move

In my eyes, Plumlee = smoke screen.

Has to be. No Zeller or Plumlee please.

[MathiasPW]

The "only individual workouts" thing is 100% influenced by agents. Trey Burke did the same on the 2nd day of workouts in Phoenix:

"I wouldn't mind competing with a group," Burke said. "My agent just told me it's best to compete by myself. I really don't have a lot to gain by competing with others."

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/ ... in/4180923

Nevertheless, it's lame. Teams should clearly boycott players that do so, claiming it's the biggest red flag one could have.

[MathiasPW]

On the Plumlee smoke-screen, it might be, or it might not (tadaaaaaaa!)

I see two draft paths for Phoenix, both assuming Gortat is traded for an additional pick in the #10 - #15 zone.

1) Oladipo or McLemore at #5, Plumlee, Adams, Zeller or Gobert at #10 - #15

2) Len at #5, McCollum, Shabazz, Caldwell-Pope, Adetokombu, Karasev or Jamaal Franklyn at #10-15.

McDonut has said he would like to avoid 2 picks in the same position, so whatever we draft at #5, we'd draft differently with the next pick. Now, who we'd pick among those options is really uncertain, as we each have our personal preferences, which are also much less-informed than our staff's .

[ShawnBronald]

How can working out hurt them? Through injury?

I'm not questioning you, I'm just curious and want to know because I have heard of the whole "top prospects can only hurt themselves by competing" and I never understood what that meant.

By being shown up by lesser prospects. If you have a certain imagine going into the draft (i.e. lights out shooter, unstoppable, amazing defense, etc.), then go 1-on-1 with a lesser prospect and get your a** handed to you.... your stock will possibly drop. Likewise, the lower prospects usually can't wait to face top tier guys so they can hopefully improve their stock. It's a game within a game within a game (or something like that).

[RunSunRun]

How can working out hurt them? Through injury?

I'm not questioning you, I'm just curious and want to know because I have heard of the whole "top prospects can only hurt themselves by competing" and I never understood what that meant.

By being shown up by lesser prospects. If you have a certain imagine going into the draft (i.e. lights out shooter, unstoppable, amazing defense, etc.), then go 1-on-1 with a lesser prospect and get your a** handed to you.... your stock will possibly drop. Likewise, the lower prospects usually can't wait to face top tier guys so they can hopefully improve their stock. It's a game within a game within a game (or something like that).

Exactly, if a guy like McLemore or Burke compete and don't do well, they can possibly lose draft position and $$$ of course.

However, more importantly, they lose the perception that they are top tier talent which can affect their entire career.

Imagine going from a starter to being a backup, say Burke falls all the way to the 15-20 range and gets picked by a team that already has an established PG. He goes from possibly showcasing his skills on a bad team to riding the bench for who knows how long and hoping to make an impact as a bench guy.

Instead of getting a great contract after his rookie one is up, he now has to hope he has shown enough that a team offers him a good contract.

There are just so many unnecessary risks with these guys hurting their stock that it makes absolute 100% sense that their agents advise them to not do anything that can hurt them. Teams don't like, fans don't like, but this is done with the best interests in mind for these guys.

[bwgood77]

My bet is if we pick up another pick, it is Dallas pick (by trading Minnesota's future lottery protected pick for #13). I think we will hold onto Gortat and dangle him at the trade deadline, hopefully finding a team willing to trade a young player and a pick in next year's draft for him. We should be able to do something similar with Scola as well.

Unless we can get a really good deal/prospect for Dudley, I'd probably keep him to be a veteran presence in the locker room. He's reasonably priced and a good role player who can knock down jumpers. Not saying I'd have him off limits by any means, but I wouldn't trade him for something like the 20th pick or anything either.

But if we could end up with the 5th, 13th, and 30th picks and still have Gortat, Scola and possibly Dudley to dangle and pick up young players and picks in next year's draft, that would be nice.

We'd still have three first round rookies going into the year and kept our assets (for more trades before a loaded draft) in the bag.

[Frank Lee]

I wouldn't trade theGORTAT to draft SBazz or McCollum, even if we have Len.

I wouldn't trade theG to select Plumlee, Zeller, or Gobert

I would to get Adams.... and his fan base.

[gaspar]

B Mand (Sarasota, FL)
If Oladipo and Mclemore are gone, who do the Suns take at 5?

Chad Ford (1:43 PM)
McCollum

meh

[Revived]

How can working out hurt them? Through injury?

I'm not questioning you, I'm just curious and want to know because I have heard of the whole "top prospects can only hurt themselves by competing" and I never understood what that meant.

By being shown up by lesser prospects. If you have a certain imagine going into the draft (i.e. lights out shooter, unstoppable, amazing defense, etc.), then go 1-on-1 with a lesser prospect and get your a** handed to you.... your stock will possibly drop. Likewise, the lower prospects usually can't wait to face top tier guys so they can hopefully improve their stock. It's a game within a game within a game (or something like that).

Ah I see, thanks for clearing that up.

[Revived]

B Mand (Sarasota, FL)
If Oladipo and Mclemore are gone, who do the Suns take at 5?

Chad Ford (1:43 PM)
McCollum

meh

I'd love that. For the first time since the Nash-J-Rich backcourt, the Suns would actually have two starting players capable of creating their own shot.

And McCollum could actually create for others too. With Dragic being a bad shooter, McCollum could help ease the pain.

That would be a very, very bad court defensively though. We would have to have defensive studs at the other positions.

[BurningHeart]

I'd be happy with the Indiana boys. From what I've seen, it seems like this Zeller guy has really nice footwork and intelligence. If he can be Pau Gasol without the bitchmade pussbaggery, I'd be happy.

[EB2]

B Mand (Sarasota, FL)
If Oladipo and Mclemore are gone, who do the Suns take at 5?

Chad Ford (1:43 PM)
McCollum

meh

He'd be our best scoring wing since J-Rich

[SunsFanSSOL]

B Mand (Sarasota, FL)
If Oladipo and Mclemore are gone, who do the Suns take at 5?

Chad Ford (1:43 PM)
McCollum

meh

He, or Bennett would be choice at #5 if both those guys are gone, then trade for the #10 pick and draft Len (if he's still there), or Zeller.

[Cutter]

I really like Zeller, but only at the 4.

I want a bigger, stronger player at C. Someone strong like Adams. I think a year or two in the league Adams is much much stronger and somewhere around 265 lbs. I think a Zeller/Adams front court would be solid for years to come.

[Frank Lee]

A 270 lb Adams with a nasty streak in 2 yrs would be worth the 5th pick..... No? Or would you rather have McCollum or Bennett... may be Len ? Hmmmmm

[Cutter]

A 270 lb Adams with a nasty streak in 2 yrs would be worth the 5th pick..... No? Or would you rather have McCollum or Bennett... may be Len ? Hmmmmm

I have draft fever...... I want them all!

McCollum/Zeller/Adams - We would have to get super aggressive to get a another 1st round pick for Adams. Utah needs a PG. trade Marshall to Jazz for #21 (from Warriors). Trade #21 + #30 for #15or 16 and draft Adams

Like I said, I got the fever

[thamadkant]

A 270 lb Adams with a nasty streak in 2 yrs would be worth the 5th pick..... No? Or would you rather have McCollum or Bennett... may be Len ? Hmmmmm

I'm leaning towards Adams at a top 10 pick to be honest.


Wouldnt mind trading Gortat for pick 10 to grab McCollum or Shabazz.... then grab Archie Goodwin at pick 30.

Len has potential but Adams has a mean streak.

Pick 5: Adams C
Pick 10: McCollum PG/SG
Pick 30: Goodwin SG

2014...
Pick 5: Randle PF / Parker SF / Wiggins SF


Suns are set for a decade and a bit.