The One And Only Offseason Thread!

Sunsdeuce · Post #121 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:04 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
cinematographer wrote:Knight/Ersan for Max Bledsoe/Bogdanovic?

This is the trend on the bucks board. I know fans are fans but their not thinking rationally.

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Are you kidding me? That's actually trending over there?

Here u go :

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1332722&start=880

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SunsFanSSOL · Post #122 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:06 am

I wouldn't sign and trade Bledsoe for anything on the Bucks outside of Parker. Their whole roster is filled with yuck.

Post #123 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:13 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:Here u go :

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1332722&start=880

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Post #124 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:13 am

rsavaj wrote:
SSOL wrote:Why are people so lame about insiders. Just leave it alone. Wow.

This is pretty much how I feel: if you think they're making everything up and just taking us for a ride, then just let them take us for a ride. You don't have to come along.

Even if what they say turns out to be fantasy, it's still entertaining.

Hell, that's why most people play the lottery.

Totally agree. I had some inside info before, it was a long time ago when I was a neighbor with an asst coach, but when I posted stuff, if people had been trying to vet me or research me (or if I knew about it), I would have been a little pissed. If people called BS, I didn't really care, because when I said something, it pretty much usually happened. Of course it sucked if people were a holes, but they will always be around.

But even if someone WAS BSing, it's always fun to speculate, and if people don't want to believe it, they can simply choose not to.

letsgosuns · Post #125 » by **letsgosuns** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:15 am

The Suns will give Bledsoe a max contract if they have to. He is a MAJOR part of this team. They are not going to let him go over having to pay a couple million more a year for him. That would be beyond stupid. Assuming the medical staff checks off on him, he will be worth it. 24 year olds that average 18 ppg, 6 ast, 5 rbs, 2 stls, and shoot 48% fg do not grow on trees. He also plays great defense and is an amazing shot blocker for a point guard. This was also the first year he was a starter. He should only get better. His potential is through the roof.

SunsFanSSOL · Post #126 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:19 am

Is the Suns reluctance to re-sign Frye an indicator of their unwillingness to retain Dragic? We all know they had amazing chemistry and a deadly pick-n-pop. The same chemistry and offensive output was simply not seen when we swapped out Bledsoe for Dragic, but Bledsoe had much better chemistry down low with Plumlee than Dragic did. The Suns could have been thinking that it was useless to bring Frye back if Dragic is on the move.

Post #127 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:19 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
cinematographer wrote:Knight/Ersan for Max Bledsoe/Bogdanovic?

This is the trend on the bucks board. I know fans are fans but their not thinking rationally.

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If they WERE feeling like they had to get rid of one of our high priced point guards, and were looking at S&T possibilities for Bledsoe (which was reported a week or so ago), that wouldn't be terrible if Ersan was in top form. Brandon Knight isn't great, but I think he could be pretty good in the right system. He shot 38% from 3 as a rookie.

I think Milwaukee is a team where their parts are probably WAY better than the sum of their parts....terrible coaching or a mix of players or something.

I'm not saying it's an even deal, and I wouldn't want to throw in Bogdan, but it's not awful if those guys can be coached to their potential and it allows us to keep Dragic and give him that stretch four he flourishes with.

Again, I am NOT saying I would DO this deal, but I think it's better than most homer fans on their own boards come up with. I'd probably demand a 1st round pick too...maybe they could protect it a little bit like Atlanta did with JJ.

praisethesuns · Post #128 » by **praisethesuns** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:19 am

letsgosuns wrote:The Suns will give Bledsoe a max contract if they have to. He is a MAJOR part of this team. They are not going to let him go over having to pay a couple million more a year for him. That would be beyond stupid. Assuming the medical staff checks off on him, he will be worth it. 24 year olds that average 18 ppg, 6 ast, 5 rbs, 2 stls, and shoot 48% fg do not grow on trees. He also plays great defense and is an amazing shot blocker for a point guard. This was also the first year he was a starter. He should only get better. His potential is through the roof.

Yea I agree. I think they are really high on Goodwin too.

YouTube · Post #129 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:21 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
cinematographer wrote:Knight/Ersan for Max Bledsoe/Bogdanovic?

This is the trend on the bucks board. I know fans are fans but their not thinking rationally.

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Are you kidding me? That's actually trending over there?

And you have posters over here that believe we can get Paul George for Dragic. Homer trade ideas are a league wide problem.

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SunsFanSSOL · Post #130 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:22 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
cinematographer wrote:Knight/Ersan for Max Bledsoe/Bogdanovic?

This is the trend on the bucks board. I know fans are fans but their not thinking rationally.

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If they WERE feeling like they had to get rid of one of our high priced point guards, and were looking at S&T possibilities for Bledsoe (which was reported a week or so ago), that wouldn't be terrible if Ersan was in top form. Brandon Knight isn't great, but I think he could be pretty good in the right system. He shot 38% from 3 as a rookie.

I think Milwaukee is a team where their parts are probably WAY better than the sum of their parts....terrible coaching or a mix of players or something.

I'm not saying it's an even deal, and I wouldn't want to throw in Bogdan, but it's not awful if those guys can be coached to their potential and it allows us to keep Dragic and give him that stretch four he flourishes with.

Again, I am NOT saying I would DO this deal, but I think it's better than most homer fans on their own boards come up with. I'd probably demand a 1st round pick too...maybe they could protect it a little bit like Atlanta did with JJ.

It's a horrendous, repulsive, revolting deal. In no universe would I trade Eric Bledsoe for Ersan Ilyasova, and I seriously doubt the Suns would ever entertain the idea.

Post #131 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:22 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:Is the Suns reluctance to re-sign Frye an indicator of their unwillingness to retain Dragic? We all know they had amazing chemistry and a deadly pick-n-pop. The same chemistry and offensive output was simply not seen when we swapped out Bledsoe for Dragic, but Bledsoe had much better chemistry down low with Plumlee than Dragic did. The Suns could have been thinking that it was useless to bring Frye back if Dragic is on the move.

I don't know. Possibly I think if we don't have a floor stretching four, Dragic will not be able to play nearly as well.

But I think that's where the league is going anyway. It's not just that we need stretch fours, it's most of the good teams. That's why all these teams are trying to get them.

DirtyDez · Post #132 » by **DirtyDez** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:23 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
cinematographer wrote:Knight/Ersan for Max Bledsoe/Bogdanovic?

This is the trend on the bucks board. I know fans are fans but their not thinking rationally.

Sent from my iPhone using RealGM Forums

If they WERE feeling like they had to get rid of one of our high priced point guards, and were looking at S&T possibilities for Bledsoe (which was reported a week or so ago), that wouldn't be terrible if Ersan was in top form. Brandon Knight isn't great, but I think he could be pretty good in the right system. He shot 38% from 3 as a rookie.

I think Milwaukee is a team where their parts are probably WAY better than the sum of their parts....terrible coaching or a mix of players or something.

I'm not saying it's an even deal, and I wouldn't want to throw in Bogdan, but it's not awful if those guys can be coached to their potential and it allows us to keep Dragic and give him that stretch four he flourishes with.

Again, I am NOT saying I would DO this deal, but I think it's better than most homer fans on their own boards come up with. I'd probably demand a 1st round pick too...maybe they could protect it a little bit like Atlanta did with JJ.

Tbh Knight and Ersan would probably do really well here given our coaching a player development. If Milwaukee really offers the max I could see this deal happening (would rather have Henson than Illysova). Don't think he gets max tho.

Post #133 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:23 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:I wouldn't sign and trade Bledsoe for anything on the Bucks outside of Parker. Their whole roster is filled with yuck.

I wouldn't either, but I've seen far worse thoughts on team's boards.

Sunsdeuce · Post #134 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:24 am

Kerrsed wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:This is the trend on the bucks board. I know fans are fans but their not thinking rationally.

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Are you kidding me? That's actually trending over there?

And you have posters over here that believe we can get Paul George for Dragic. Homer trade ideas are a league wide problem.

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Agreed. But they don't know Ryan Mcd like we do. He would bleed the bucks dry in any sign and trade.

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Sunsdeuce · Post #135 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:26 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ddockett/status/486333369462960129[/tweet]
I'm sorry this is off topic but Docket is crazy. I was rolling when I saw this.

Post #136 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:30 am

DirtyDez wrote:
Tbh Knight and Ersan would probably do really well here given our coaching a player development. If Milwaukee really offers the max I could see this deal happening (would rather have Henson than Illysova). Don't think he gets max tho.

Yeah, everyone calls McD the genius but Hornacek is a genius as well. Great basketball mind. Pelton had an interesting statement in his last chat about it....I'll quote it here...I liked his other statement too.

Mike (Harpers Ferry, WV) [via mobile]

Speaking of teams being weary of dealing with other teams, do you think teams are scared of making deals with Suns GM Ryan Mcdonough after he got the best of multiple deals last offseason?
Kevin Pelton
(2:18 PM)

Not really. With all due respect to what McDonough has accomplished, I think that said more about the Suns' coaching staff and their player development than McDonough's negotiating ability.

Adam (Phoenix)

Why would the suns trade Dragic? Can you shed any light on what they are trying to accomplish?
Kevin Pelton
(2:17 PM)

Folks, the report was the Pacers contacted them about Dragic. There is a chasm larger than the Grand Canyon between that and the Suns trying to trade Dragic. But every team is always exploring opportunities to get better, and if some team offers a ridiculous package for Dragic, he could get traded. That's just not likely to happen.

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Post #137 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:32 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:Is the Suns reluctance to re-sign Frye an indicator of their unwillingness to retain Dragic? We all know they had amazing chemistry and a deadly pick-n-pop. The same chemistry and offensive output was simply not seen when we swapped out Bledsoe for Dragic, but Bledsoe had much better chemistry down low with Plumlee than Dragic did. The Suns could have been thinking that it was useless to bring Frye back if Dragic is on the move.

I don't think so. I think they would have kept Frye if the Magic didn't offer so much. As good as Frye was for us, it certainly wasn't a resign him no matter what situation. So it wasn't really a reluctance to resign Frye but rather we couldn't afford to keep him on board with a possible Lebron signing.

Post #138 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:33 am

Kerrsed wrote:And you have posters over here that believe we can get Paul George for Dragic. Homer trade ideas are a league wide problem.

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That would've been awesome but it's a pretty ridiculous deal.

SideSwipe · Post #139 » by **SideSwipe** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:33 am

In a Bucks trade, I think Ennis for Henson makes some sense.

Henson is defensively sound, and not offensively inept. Kidd will want a real floor general out there to pair and grow with Parker. Ennis/Mayo/Giannis/ Parker/Sanders

Henson seems to have a decent Bball IQ and defensive presence that will lend himself to the veterans PHX is lining up to sign.

grumpysaddle · Post #140 » by **grumpysaddle** » Tue Jul 8, 2014 2:35 am

Moochthemonkey wrote:i like it...but doesn't make much sense for NY. surely they can find more assets than just a 2nd round pick.

I think Amare opts out and resigns for a 3 year deal around 15-17m$.

I'm trying to catch up with the insane amount of posts you guys have made while I was working all day... and stopped reading the last thread at this post...

WHY THE HELL would Amare opt out of $23,410,988 FOR ONE YEAR to take $15-17M over 3?????!?!?! That makes zero sense.