The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[bwgood77]

Very good points. Sometimes I unreasonably count Mook out. It's good for team morale if he plays, I think. I didn't realize Gallo made that much: no thanks.

Someone else mentioned possibly starting Marcus at 4 over Kieff. I actually like Marcus more next to Len than Plumlee because Alex is a better rim protector. I also think the back-ups probably need more "stretching" than the starters though because TJ and Goodwin aren't very good from deep, while our starters are solid distance shooters 1-3.

One thing though - I really don't like it when the Morrises play together. People talk about their "connection," well, what I saw is that they really couldn't see the other players on the floor when they were both out there. I'd be happier seeing Mook back up his brother.

I agree with all that. I just hope Kieff can get back and improve his 3 pt range (I think he's gotten worse every year) so Dragic and Bledsoe don't miss Frye being gone as much. Otherwise they may need to play some with Mook.

[Scutt]

Can someone please tell my how the **** you can overate a All NBA 3rd team player that shot an incredible 50/40% and 20ppg? You can hop on the overrated Goran train all you want but you'll just looking really **** silly. That's why there's literally 2 or 3 of you. Listen, Gogi is everything the Suns want in terms of player and personality. He's basically the new age Steve Nash. It would honestly be such an infuriatingly terrible basketball decision if we traded him. Which is why we won't. He wants to be here, management wants him here and Phoenix loves the **** out of him.

You just answered your own question. Dragic put those numbers for ONE year and couldn't lead his team to the playoffs, that is a far cry from what Steve Nash did. There is a reason the man has two MVP's.

[WeekapaugGroove]

How much can the clips offer ed Davis? I think they used their mle on hawes so I guess I'm not sure how they fit in Davis.

I'm all for Davis on a cheap 1 or 2 yr deal... not as interested at 3 yrs 15 mil.

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[0013]

Can someone please tell my how the **** you can overate a All NBA 3rd team player that shot an incredible 50/40% and 20ppg? You can hop on the overrated Goran train all you want but you'll just looking really **** silly. That's why there's literally 2 or 3 of you. Listen, Gogi is everything the Suns want in terms of player and personality. He's basically the new age Steve Nash. It would honestly be such an infuriatingly terrible basketball decision if we traded him. Which is why we won't. He wants to be here, management wants him here and Phoenix loves the **** out of him.

Seconded. I have to wonder how much these guys who are saying Goran is overrated actually watched Suns basketball the last few years. Goran took a pay cut to come back here. He just entered his prime and was an all NBA player yet he isn't worth paying what guys like Hayward / Parsons got on the open market????

[BobbieL]

Can someone please tell my how the **** you can overate a All NBA 3rd team player that shot an incredible 50/40% and 20ppg? You can hop on the overrated Goran train all you want but you'll just looking really **** silly. That's why there's literally 2 or 3 of you. Listen, Gogi is everything the Suns want in terms of player and personality. He's basically the new age Steve Nash. It would honestly be such an infuriatingly terrible basketball decision if we traded him. Which is why we won't. He wants to be here, management wants him here and Phoenix loves the **** out of him.

Seconded. I have to wonder how much these guys who are saying Goran is overrated actually watched Suns basketball the last few years. Goran took a pay cut to come back here. He just entered his prime and was an all NBA player yet he isn't worth paying what guys like Hayward / Parsons got on the open market????

I want Goran on the team more than Bledsoe. If there is a way to turn Bledsoe into Love - I am all for it

In lieu of "what it" - lets get the best possible team this year with Bledsoe and have some very good assets to move for Love if it gets that far

[RunDogGun]

Can someone please tell my how the **** you can overate a All NBA 3rd team player that shot an incredible 50/40% and 20ppg? You can hop on the overrated Goran train all you want but you'll just looking really **** silly. That's why there's literally 2 or 3 of you. Listen, Gogi is everything the Suns want in terms of player and personality. He's basically the new age Steve Nash. It would honestly be such an infuriatingly terrible basketball decision if we traded him. Which is why we won't. He wants to be here, management wants him here and Phoenix loves the **** out of him.

You just answered your own question. Dragic put those numbers for ONE year and couldn't lead his team to the playoffs, that is a far cry from what Steve Nash did. There is a reason the man has two MVP's.

Nash's team made the playoffs last year?

Maybe we should trade for Love, because he put up those great numbers and led his team to the playoffs...wait, sorry, no he didn't, he must suck then.

[BurningHeart]

Dirk Nowitzki is the **** man.

[KLEON]

Can someone please tell my how the **** you can overate a All NBA 3rd team player that shot an incredible 50/40% and 20ppg? You can hop on the overrated Goran train all you want but you'll just looking really **** silly. That's why there's literally 2 or 3 of you. Listen, Gogi is everything the Suns want in terms of player and personality. He's basically the new age Steve Nash. It would honestly be such an infuriatingly terrible basketball decision if we traded him. Which is why we won't. He wants to be here, management wants him here and Phoenix loves the **** out of him.

[bwgood77]

Can someone please tell my how the **** you can overate a All NBA 3rd team player that shot an incredible 50/40% and 20ppg? You can hop on the overrated Goran train all you want but you'll just looking really **** silly. That's why there's literally 2 or 3 of you. Listen, Gogi is everything the Suns want in terms of player and personality. He's basically the new age Steve Nash. It would honestly be such an infuriatingly terrible basketball decision if we traded him. Which is why we won't. He wants to be here, management wants him here and Phoenix loves the **** out of him.

Seconded. I have to wonder how much these guys who are saying Goran is overrated actually watched Suns basketball the last few years. Goran took a pay cut to come back here. He just entered his prime and was an all NBA player yet he isn't worth paying what guys like Hayward / Parsons got on the open market????

Also, who said people want to give Dragic the max? I haven't seen one person here say that. I think him and Bledsoe are worth about the same (around $12 million a year). They are both worth matching up to a bit more.

Dragic is currently the better, more reliable and less injury prone player, but Bledsoe is the younger one with more upside (but there is the injury factor).

I think it's fair that they make about the same amount of money, but if a team offers one of them a bunch of money, I wouldn't let either walk for nothing.

Now if Dragic has another year like he did and Bledsoe gets injured again, and some team next year offered Dragic $15 million, I'd certainly pay him that.

I agree with sunsbum and 0013 that it's stupid to trade him though when WE KNOW Love is not going to commit here AND with Bledsoe playing fewer than half his games in his only season as a starter. You trade Dragic now, you possibly have a lineup with IT starting half the time and no Love in 2015-16.

I was always a huge proponent in trading for Love, but when I imagine a team with no Dragic and no twins (and probably fewer draft picks going forward) I don't think that team is any better at all than what Minnesota had on the floor last year so why would Love stay? We would probably only be better at the 1.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Fanboys.

[Sunsdeuce]

Bledsoe could use his 3.7 mil qualifying offer than become a unrestricted free agent in the 2015/2016 off season and go to Miami...... He had that dinner right?

Your going to have to change ur screenname if/when goran or Bledsoe leaves.

Still don't understand how people get blade out of Bledsoe? Make more sense......dragonbled



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[TASTIC]

Dirk Nowitzki is the **** man.

Ha, I was about to post the same thing. And when you compare him to Kobe as a me-first guy...wow

[bwgood77]

Dirk Nowitzki is the **** man.

Nice to see guys like him and Duncan do that to win over a guy like Melo who doesn't when the choice is winning or money.

[Revived]

Dirk Nowitzki is the **** man.

Nice to see guys like him and Duncan do that to win over a guy like Melo who doesn't when the choice is winning or money.

I think you mean Kobe not Melo.

Melo took a $6M paycut. And Melo is 30 years old. When Dirk was 30, iirc I don't think he took any paycut.

[TASTIC]

Booker 2yr $10m wow...Wiz made out better by getting Humphries 3yr $13m anyway!

These PFs are going off the market pronto

[Frank Lee]

Dirk Nowitzki is the **** man.

No doubt ... A loyalist ... Rare these days

Humphreys to the wiz is a sneaky good inking too

[BobbieL]

Dirk Nowitzki is the **** man.

Nice to see guys like him and Duncan do that to win over a guy like Melo who doesn't when the choice is winning or money.

I think you mean Kobe not Melo.

Melo took a $6M paycut. And Melo is 30 years old. When Dirk was 30, iirc I don't think he took any paycut.

I don't begrudge Melo one bit. Just don't tell me its about winning. As it was about the money first
which is okay
But its not about winning

But Melo is different from LeBron, Kobe and Duncan. Those guys are past their prime. Carmelo still has 6 good years left.

[bwgood77]

Dirk Nowitzki is the **** man.

Nice to see guys like him and Duncan do that to win over a guy like Melo who doesn't when the choice is winning or money.

I think you mean Kobe not Melo.

Melo took a $6M paycut. And Melo is 29 years old. When Dirk was 29, he didn't take no paycut.

Well I do mean Melo, but Kobe even moreso.

Melo took $6M less over 5 years, but still got over $122 million, which was far more he could get anywhere else. Most he could have gotten elsewhere was probably something like 4 years, $88 million or something like that.

So he took about $1.2 million per year less than the NY max.

Dirk took $25 million instead of probably about $80 million.

[Scutt]

Can someone please tell my how the **** you can overate a All NBA 3rd team player that shot an incredible 50/40% and 20ppg? You can hop on the overrated Goran train all you want but you'll just looking really **** silly. That's why there's literally 2 or 3 of you. Listen, Gogi is everything the Suns want in terms of player and personality. He's basically the new age Steve Nash. It would honestly be such an infuriatingly terrible basketball decision if we traded him. Which is why we won't. He wants to be here, management wants him here and Phoenix loves the **** out of him.

You just answered your own question. Dragic put those numbers for ONE year and couldn't lead his team to the playoffs, that is a far cry from what Steve Nash did. There is a reason the man has two MVP's.

Nash's team made the playoffs last year?

Maybe we should trade for Love, because he put up those great numbers and led his team to the playoffs...wait, sorry, no he didn't, he must suck then.

Did I say anything about Nash making the playoff's last year? No. Do you forget that Steve Nash was on the Suns and led us to the Western Conference finals multiple times? That is why I mentioned his two MVP's. No one is comparing a 39 year old Nash to Dragic, that is laughable.

But you are right, how stupid of me, Goran Dragic averaged 20 points a game and led the Suns to the 9th seed, he must be a superstar. Why should we go after Love, we have our franchise player in Goran Dragic, lets max him out right now! He can lead us for years, chasing that last playoff spot, that's what superstars do. Yay, I am so excited.

Anyone on this board that puts Goran Dragic in the same conversation as Steve Nash has no right to call themselves a Suns fan.

[bwoolf2]

Whether you guys like it or not Kieff is our starting PF this year and if he continues to improve on what he did last year as a starter he will be a top 10 PF thats not bad.