Suns need to stop neglecting to develop their young players

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Outside of him losing weight, it's still the same player that came from UCLA.
But now they're forced to play him because they're rebuilding.
Last year he had some awesome games coming off the bench. Just like Goodwin had some.
The biggest difference is that Shabazz can learn faster in the court and Goodwin will be a gatorade player for the next few years.

That's how u improve your youngsters. Practice is fantastic for them, but they need to put it together in a real game. Without that, it's really meaningless... until he's traded for another team and start showing what he got rsrs

Exactly. We have idiotic morons on the team like Gerald Green & Marcus Morris getting playing time over Warren when there really isn't any need for it.

TJ Warren was seen as one of the most NBA ready prospects in the draft and he certainly didn't do anything to dispute that in summer league. What's the worst that can happen with Warren playing? Us losing more games? Oh no, something that's already happening...

I don't see the reason that Warren isn't playing either. But I don't see him daily like the coaches do. And the worst that can happen is a lot more than just losing a few more games. You can lose the team playing a player that isn't ready and you can destroy that player's confidence by doing that too. Again, players and situations aren't always the same.

I think Suns players probably would prefer Warren seeing minutes rather than Gerald Green who is a seflish prick who chucks, chucks and chucks.

Actually, scratch that, I don't think...I KNOW they would probably prefer seeing anyone but Green take the court.

[jcsunsfan]

Exactly. We have idiotic morons on the team like Gerald Green & Marcus Morris getting playing time over Warren when there really isn't any need for it.

TJ Warren was seen as one of the most NBA ready prospects in the draft and he certainly didn't do anything to dispute that in summer league. What's the worst that can happen with Warren playing? Us losing more games? Oh no, something that's already happening...

I don't see the reason that Warren isn't playing either. But I don't see him daily like the coaches do. And the worst that can happen is a lot more than just losing a few more games. You can lose the team playing a player that isn't ready and you can destroy that player's confidence by doing that too. Again, players and situations aren't always the same.

I think Suns players probably would prefer Warren seeing minutes rather than Gerald Green who is a seflish prick who chucks, chucks and chucks.

Actually, scratch that, I don't think...I KNOW they would probably prefer seeing anyone but Green take the court.

And how do you know that? Green is very popular among his team mates.

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Add STVG to the list of coaches of non playoff teams who know the importance of developing young talent

Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
Pistons waive F Josh Smith. "“We are shifting priorities to aggressively develop our younger players," says coach/president Stan Van Gundy

[lilfishi22]

Add STVG to the list of coaches of non playoff teams who know the importance of developing young talent

Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
Pistons waive F Josh Smith. "“We are shifting priorities to aggressively develop our younger players," says coach/president Stan Van Gundy

lol we would do the same if we moved PJ, Beldsoe, Dragic or Green.

Let's not act like waiving J Smith had nothing to do with opening up more minutes to their younger guys

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Add STVG to the list of coaches of non playoff teams who know the importance of developing young talent

Sam Amico @SamAmicoFSO
Pistons waive F Josh Smith. "“We are shifting priorities to aggressively develop our younger players," says coach/president Stan Van Gundy

lol we would do the same if we moved PJ, Beldsoe, Dragic or Green.

Let's not act like waiving J Smith had nothing to do with opening up more minutes to their younger guys

Huh? Your right, it did have something to do with opening up minutes for their young guys, that's what SVG said.

[lilfishi22]

Add STVG to the list of coaches of non playoff teams who know the importance of developing young talent

lol we would do the same if we moved PJ, Beldsoe, Dragic or Green.

Let's not act like waiving J Smith had nothing to do with opening up more minutes to their younger guys

Huh? Your right, it did have something to do with opening up minutes for their young guys, that's what SVG said.

You're comparing our current situation and your notion that we're negligent in not developing our youth with Detroit "understanding" the importance of developing their youth.

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lol we would do the same if we moved PJ, Beldsoe, Dragic or Green.

Let's not act like waiving J Smith had nothing to do with opening up more minutes to their younger guys

Huh? Your right, it did have something to do with opening up minutes for their young guys, that's what SVG said.

You're comparing our current situation and your notion that we're negligent in not developing our youth with Detroit "understanding" the importance of developing their youth.

Ok...and?

[lilfishi22]

and you're insinuating if even the Pistons are developing our youth, why aren't we?

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and you're insinuating if even the Pistons are developing our youth, why aren't we?

Not if "even" the Pistons, "also" the Pistons. Detroit realized it has no chance of making playoffs, even in the crap East so its playing its young guys and giving them opportunities to develop rest of the way. I'd like the Suns to do it, but even if PHX wants to keep playoff hopes alive, fine, but give Warren at least 20-25 mins a game I doubt he's any worse than Gerald Green or Marcus Morris.

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The #Suns assigned Goodwin, Warren and Ennis to Bakersfield. It likely is for the next 3 Jam road games. They'd rejoin Suns Dec. 31 in OKC.
4:53pm - 25 Dec 14

I really wish Hornacek would see that Warren should be getting all of Marcus Morris minutes. Even some of Green's on those nights when he's dreadful.

[Frank Lee]

Well, the trio of toddlers will be all ballin together for a while. Hmmmm... is this to quickly season them up a little bit for not so distant future play, or to show case some of their talents? Brilliant move to put them all in Bakersfield at the same time. Solidifying a bond and strengthening familiarity. Thats using a farm team to grow the crops. I'd imagine they will be picking up a lot of dinner tabs. this should sqauash the OP concerns, BTW, who are the coaches there?

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I wish the new year means more playing time for these guys. We're losing even if we don't play them so might as play them to develop them.

[RunDogGun]

Well, the trio of toddlers will be all ballin together for a while. Hmmmm... is this to quickly season them up a little bit for not so distant future play, or to show case some of their talents? Brilliant move to put them all in Bakersfield at the same time. Solidifying a bond and strengthening familiarity. Thats using a farm team to grow the crops. I'd imagine they will be picking up a lot of dinner tabs. this should sqauash the OP concerns, BTW, who are the coaches there?

It was good for all three of our guys who need to be developed play some games in the Developmental League, they each had some decent games there. Although Goodwin shooting 46% from the free throw line makes one think he really needs to spend some time working on his shot.

I don't know the other coaches Frank, but the head coach is Nate Bjorkgren.

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Raptors still wish they could have drafted Tyler Ennis

Even as Ennis wanders through his rookie season with the Phoenix, bouncing between the NBA and the D League’s Bakersfield Jam because of a guard-rich Phoenix Suns lineup, there are still those in the Toronto organization lamenting the one that got away.

When the Suns took Ennis with the 18th pick in last June’s NBA draft, there were almost audible groans in the Toronto war room because the Raptors were itching to take him with the 20th selection.

Raptors coach Dwane Casey said Sunday night it’s that impossible to define the characteristic that made the six-foot-two Brampton product so wanted.

“He has that Pied Piper mentality,” Casey said of Ennis. “(He’s) not the most talented of all the point guards I’ve seen over the years, but just has that knack of getting where he wants to go, of moving the ball (and), like any other young kid, he’s got to get better defensively.

“I don’t know what’s going on here, but that was our view if him at that time.”

http://www.thestar.com/sports/basketbal ... nnis.html#

You have to wonder if Ennis wishes he got drafted by Toronto as well. He'd probably have been Lowry's primary backup with Vasquez possible not being resigned. Plus he'd have been home.

Instead we drafted him and have him glued to our bench. Lose-Lose situation for everyone involved really.

I hope karma doesn't bite us in the ass for drafting a player who was wanted badly by his hometown team that was also willing to give him playing time instead of shutting him back and forth from D league to the pros.

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In the 10 games since Alex Len has been moved into the starting lineup Bledsoe and Dragic are each playing 35 minutes a night, Green 22, Marcus Morris 22.5, Markieff Morris 30.5 and P.J. Tucker 29.5.

I'd get Bledsoe and Dragic's minutes back towards the low 30 range instead of the mid 30s. There's also minutes to distribute to others between Tucker, the Morrii and Green.

These can go to rookies T.J. Warren, Tyler Ennis and second-year guard Archie Goodwin. The Suns have to decide on whether to pick up an option on Goodwin during next season. It would be nice to see how's he coming along in live game action even though at the age 20 he's essentially a lock to keep at that salary.

In addition to letting young players get experience, another potential result of this would be getting a slightly higher draft slot. It's unlikely they fall anymore than two spots from 14 to 12, but who knows come draft time how important that could be. Maybe you can get a player that would have been drafted before during those two picks or 12 looks more attractive in a potential trade package than 14.

Great article, not much that I disagree with from it

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/ ... oenix-suns

[MrMiyagi]

I still think next year is the year for these young guys. I think Tyler and TJ are more polished than Archie was his rookie year. We got to see a nice flash, but we should give them a little more time before we start trying to shake up our roster.

[nevetsov]

The more we keep winning, the more likely we keep the playing core as is, and the less chance we get the rooks rotation minutes this season. That is, unless IT starts bitching about his role.

Next season though, if we can ditch IT and let one of Dragic/ Green walk, I can see all 3 of these guys getting rotation time:

Dragic, Ennis
Bledsoe, Goodwin
Tucker, Warren
Markieff, Marcus
Len, Plumlee

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There's a good discussion going on about this on the GD:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1369147

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[bwgood77]

I honestly think it's better to give guys real playing time in their 2nd year, and maybe a few spot minutes in blowouts in their first. Now if we were terrible it might be worth it, but as good as I expect TJ to be, he is probably not nearly as good as Marcus quite yet. A year getting used to the speed at the pro level in practice IS developing guys.

Now if we did deal the twins and start to fall back in the standings, it might be worth it, but I think Dragic is most likely to re-sign with us if we make the playoffs. I still don't really expect it, but I don't think he would be too happy if we don't do everything we can to try and win games.