Official Trade Thread: How to Trade Your Dragon

[Revived]

Spoiler:

So what - the CURRENT GM shouldn't have traded for a potential All Star PG (Bled) because Dragic was already there at PG and he was signed by the previous GM?

That makes ZERO basketball sense...

Now the IT signing, that was a dumb move now, but in theory if Thomas had accepted the role it would have been fine. There's a lot of people at fault here, Hornacek needs some of the blame as well for completely alienating Dragic as the 3rd ball-handler.

If Thomas was 6'3" we likely wouldn't have this problem as he would play more SG.

Huh? This has nothing to do with Bledsoe and everything to do with IT.

Did you read the link I posted? Goran is fine and happy with Bledsoe.

Sorry I didn't read the link!

Still - he's already said that if we move Thomas it won't change his mind, he wants out. I can't find the quote but he did say it/his agent has said it...

And it also does have to do with Bled a bit...had he re-signed straight away we'd never have signed Thomas as insurance

He did say it, its because he lost faith in the FO. In his opinion and in the opinion of people with common sense, they should have left last year's backcourt the way it was instead of adding another ball dominant guard to it.

I'm gonna repost this since some (not only you but others as well) didn't see it:

To everyone that's saying "Goran's selfish, see its been reported that wants to leave PHX even if we traded IT so Goran doesn't like playing with Bledsoe either, here's some news for you:

The Suns, who traded Dragic in 2011, traded for Bledsoe in 2013 when he was one of the most-sought trade commodities and created a dual-playmaker backcourt. Dragic thrived when Bledsoe missed half of the season and they ultimately found chemistry for a 48-win season.

Dragic was content in that set-up but the addition of another starting-quality point guard in Thomas has put Dragic almost exclusively off the ball no matter if Thomas or Bledsoe are paired with him or if the Suns are in a three-point-guard lineup.

Even if the Suns traded Thomas, Dragic's mind appears to be set on leaving Phoenix in July free agency. A change of heart has not been ruled out but is portrayed as doubtful because Dragic's camp considers the perceived breach of trust to be irrevocable.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /23595011/

So PLEASE quit with the BS that Dragic doesn't like playing with Bledsoe or whatever. Paul Coro is closer to the team than any of you and anyone else in the media. Take his word over anyone else's 10 times out of 10.

Dragic lost the trust in the FO after the FO went and rewarded him for his excellent play from last season by signing and drafting every PG in sight.

[No-Man]

LA and NY are not trading for Dragic now, they can sign him in the summer and they wont lose their only assets, this year picks, for Dragic, not happening.
Boston, Detroit, Indiana, Milwaukee, Sacramento,... either dont have enough to offer, or know Goran wont committ to re-sign with them, so they wont offer much.

That leaves basically Houston, Miami.
If Dragic wants to be the man, I cant see that happening in Houston, but in Miami, with Wade really down,... is another story...

What can they really offer? not much though, this years pick go to Philly, so no chance there, they have Whiteside, but I guess they wont part ways with him (he is signed for another season for 0,9m dollars), so... whats really left?

If you can trick Goran and sell him Houston as the perfect place to him, he will again play off the ball, even more with Harden, then, thats a place where you can get the most, Papanikolau, a salary filler, and the Pelicans pick or Terrence Jones or Motiejunas, that looks good on paper.

[No-Man]

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If Dragic commits to sign there, I can see a chance, they have enough expirings, and their pick will be lotto.
Un protected first, expirings and Solomon Hill could make it happen.

[Flying Colors]

so doc rivers wants to trade Crawford for a first round pick, a pick that could potentially be used to trade for Gerald Green.



http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--s ... 35888.html

[Lindecision]

Just trade IT to the Celtics for Sullinger. He brings rebounding and future potential.

Come on now. Forget IT, you might not even get Sullinger for Dragic.

^I wouldn't mind Beverley here at all.

He isn't a ball dominant PG and imagine the perimeter D of Bledsoe and Beverley?!?! Eek.

If we could nab Jones or D-Mo from them too I'd be 100% down with it.

This season Bev is 2.2 threes a night at 37%, and even though we'd have a short back-court both are up there in terms of physicality and strength for their size.

Dragic again would play second fiddle to a superior ball-handler in Harden...so couldn't see him re-sign there.

If all this stuff is true and he absolutely won't re-sign even if we move Thomas, then trade him to ANY team except the 3 he wants - why should we accommodate him after he sabotaged his own trade value by first pouting on the court and not adapting his game, then saying the only teams he'd sign with. Maybe he isn't the player we think he is/was.

I'm a little torn on this one. I CAN see his point of view about not being the 1st or even 2nd preferred ball-handler, but at least allow the Suns to correct their mistake by moving IT?

Its pretty simple. He doesn't trust your FO anymore. I mean why would he? You reward the year he had with nothing but dysfunction and stupidity. Beverly is very interesting though. He might be the best case scenario at this point. A Bledsoe-Beverly backcourt would have incredible defensive potential.

He also needs to realise he played like 50 games without his future back-court partner, to think he wouldn't have to share once Bled was back (after being re-signed to a massive deal), is ignorant.

The Thomas deal is what ruined this - I'm still leaning toward calling Dragic's bluff and sending out Thomas and Plumlee for Deng/Cole.

Get Hornacek to get him back with a 50-50 ball-handling share with Bled. Tell him we'll max him out. Keep his brother.

If we don't get a good pick(s)/player(s) this is going to be a MASSIVE setback.

Bold strategy. I like it. But with the way the Bledsoe negotiation played out, I think it told all of us that your GM isn't the type of guy to make that play. I agree that the IT deal is a major factor, but Hornecek's role can't be underestimated. He's the one who let this happen. He took the impetus away form Dragic and gave it to IT.

Or he was told by your GM to do this this and this, who knows. I'm only speculating but I'm guessing McD told Hornecek to play Dragic and IT similar minutes so he could maintain the values as much as possible. He probably just views everyone as an asset. I mean signing Dragic to a large extension and giving him the reigns again doesn't really move the needle anyway.

[Revived]

Does Ryan McD come on Gambo's show every Wednesday or is it random Wednesday's?

I wanna hear what he says about all this.

[tgtm_24]

Suns betrayed his trust after Dragic gave them a 2nd chance to come back to PHX after they traded him away the first time

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So what - the CURRENT GM shouldn't have traded for a potential All Star PG (Bled) because Dragic was already there at PG and he was signed by the previous GM?

That makes ZERO basketball sense...

Now the IT signing, that was a dumb move now, but in theory if Thomas had accepted the role it would have been fine. There's a lot of people at fault here, Hornacek needs some of the blame as well for completely alienating Dragic as the 3rd ball-handler.

If Thomas was 6'3" we likely wouldn't have this problem as he would play more SG.

Huh? This has nothing to do with Bledsoe and everything to do with IT.

Did you read the link I posted? Goran is fine and happy with Bledsoe.

Clearly he's not.

[phrazbit]

Its a team that missed the playoffs and had bad depth in the back court. Signing IT (whom I'm not wild about) may have been over kill but to categorize it as breech of trust is a joke. The only thing I could see as an actual breech was giving his brother playing time. Signing Zoran was a mistake because he probably was hoping to actually see the court (unfortunately he sucks) and I don't doubt its factored into Goran's disgruntled ways.

Goran's struggles are more related to the lack of a pick and roll partner than anything else IMO. He was having a relapse year before we started giving the 3 PG lineup much PT. I'm sure neither he nor his agent are willing to accept that as the real problem, so instead we get to deal with this melodrama.

The Suns, as a non-playoff team, should be willing to bring in talent wherever they can find it, and Goran is a good player, but not good enough to be bending over backwards for.

[Tahleron]

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If Dragic commits to sign there, I can see a chance, they have enough expirings, and their pick will be lotto.
Un protected first, expirings and Solomon Hill could make it happen.

They're only 2 games out of the EC playoffs with George a real shot at being back the last month.

[tgtm_24]

Its a team that missed the playoffs and had bad depth in the back court. Signing IT (whom I'm not wild about) may have been over kill but to categorize it as breech of trust is a joke. The only thing I could see as an actual breech was giving his brother playing time. Signing Zoran was a mistake because he probably was hoping to actually see the court (unfortunately he sucks) and I don't doubt its factored into Goran's disgruntled ways.

Goran's struggles are more related to the lack of a pick and roll partner than anything else IMO. He was having a relapse year before we started giving the 3 PG lineup much PT. I'm sure neither he nor his agent are willing to accept that as the real problem, so instead we get to deal with this melodrama.

The Suns, as a non-playoff team, should be willing to bring in talent wherever they can find it, and Goran is a good player, but not good enough to be bending over backwards for.

Well said.

I can't see how the F/O is awful if they were still planning to re-sign him?

The F/O could have done things better, but pinning this entire situation on them is a joke. Dragic is also at fault.

[Son of Ra]

I'm overseas atm and went to bed being around page 70, wake up and there are 40 more pages of thread, ughh. Just finished them all instead of taking care of the business that I flew over here for, don't know what will hurt more in the end, Suns Organization killing me, or my wife for not taking care of business that I came here for. Lol.

[thamadkant]

I've been saying it for a while now...

Loyalty to players will just lead to heart breaks...

There are a handful of players that are "worth" investing a lot of loyalties to today... Duncan, Nowitski, Ginobili, these guys take pay cuts to stay on their teams and help them stay competitive, even sacrificing their stats and role...

Basically always support whats best for the franchise, because this is a team sport... if a player happens to show as much loyalty to the team as the fans and willing to sacrifice for the franchise, then those are the players worth investing a lot of loyalty to.

I said it all along, Dragic is not going to give a home discount, maybe if the Suns were a top 3 team, he may take a couple of million less. But these players, once they are given the opportunity of bigger money and role, they take it... and I dont blame them from their perspective, but from a fan's perspective, as a fan of the team they are showing no loyalties too.. well its a different story.

[Lindecision]

so doc rivers wants to trade Crawford for a first round pick, a pick that could potentially be used to trade for Gerald Green.



http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--s ... 35888.html

I also want to say its tediously predictable how some of you are turning on Dragic now. He was perfectly happy to stay. Its your FO that f**ked this up this. I'm glad at least some of you are smart enough to realize what's up. To now have Dragic's trade value killed is pretty much karma coming to bite your FO in the ass. All that talk of how incredibly smart they were for signing Isiah Thomas to this great value contract, and now Dragic's value is in the tank. How's that value trade off looking now?

The fact that they made it known they were willing to trade IT as a last ditch attempt was pretty stupid too. Was it the Suns FO who made that public? Or was that leaked? Point is, IT is on the books for 3 more years. I wonder how he's gonna react. The good thing to come out of this is 1) more minutes for the likes Goodwin and 2) that Bledsoe and IT clearly play well together and have good chemistry. You'll have to compensate for IT defensively, but this could be the beginning of something better.

[Qwigglez]

The keep Goran here trade...

Suns get
-Kevin Love

Cavs get-
-Brook Lopez
-Markieff Morris
-Marcus Morris
-Gerald Green

Nets get-
-Tristan Thompson
-Mike Miller
-Mathew Delladova
Lakers 1st

2nd trade...
Suns get-
Luol Deng

Heat get-
Isaiah Thomas
PJ Tucker

Suns lineup
Bledsoe/Dragic/Deng/Love/Len
Ennis/Goodwin/Warren/Wright/Plumlee

[Revived]

so doc rivers wants to trade Crawford for a first round pick, a pick that could potentially be used to trade for Gerald Green.



http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--s ... 35888.html

I also want to say its tediously predictable how some of you are turning on Dragic now. He was perfectly happy to stay. Its your FO that f**ked this up this. I'm glad at least some of you are smart enough to realize what's up. To now have Dragic's trade value killed is pretty much karma coming to bite your FO in the ass. All that talk of how incredibly smart they were for signing Isiah Thomas to this great value contract, and now Dragic's value is in the tank. How's that value trade off looking now?

The fact that they made it known they were willing to trade IT as a last ditch attempt was pretty stupid too. Was it the Suns FO who made that public? Or was that leaked? Point is, IT is on the books for 3 more years. I wonder how he's gonna react. The good thing to come out of this is 1) more minutes for the likes Goodwin and 2) that Bledsoe and IT clearly play well together and have good chemistry. You'll have to compensate for IT defensively, but this could be the beginning of something better.

Arizona is a known to have bandwagon fans.

Everyone here who is now bashing Dragic was also sucking his d**k last season and in the off season along with me and others who still haven't turned on him.

[thamadkant]

Goran Dragic + Zoran Dragic
for
Nikola Mirotic + filler

[3rdside]

Fault allocation:

1. RMcD's fault (signing Thomas, weird negotiation with Bledsoe, putting together an unbalanced roster) - 40%

2. Eric Bledsoe (no communication during negotiation possibly leading to the IT signing in the first place, hard balling suns for too much money, dominating the ball more this season thinking he's the man) - 25%

3. Orlando Magic (for upsetting Dragic's play by paying Frye way, way waaay too much (PER < 10; no wonder they hate him over there) - 15%

4. Hornacek (for letting the inmates run the asylum) - 10%

5. IT (complaining about minutes at the start of the season, ball hogging) - 5% (can't blame him for being himself, blame RMcD instead.

6. Dragic (for not being more diplomatic if the Suns have offered to trade IT and he doesn't care and sold them down anyway) - 5% (whatever he does can pretty much be forgiven cause he got shaaafted).

[SunsFanSSOL]

Now if the Suns could convince Dragic to re-sign in Phoenix at a discount they’d be thrilled, and in that case they’d be fine dealing Thomas and his team-friendly contract to any number of suitors. In that regard, if there is an unlikely reversal in this situation and Dragic somehow stays, I’m told the Lakers might have been the favorites to acquire Thomas – as they're interested in him now just as they were over the summer.

I’m also told the Kings are very interested in Dragic and they’ll be working every angle possible to swing a deal. The problem is that they’ll have to find a team to take on some salary in order to be able to theoretically pay Dragic, giving up an asset like Nik Stauskas or Ben McLemore alongside a bad contract in order to do so. Then they’ll have to find other assets in order to win over the Suns. Then they’ll have to convince Dragic to re-sign, and that’s before we get to the idea of a protesting Dragic playing out his player option before the new TV money hits the CBA in 2016-17.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nba/5 ... ine-primer

[pidi]

well, it´s kinda interesting which way the suns will go from now on..

will we trade goran for a bag of chips, will we trade him for a veteran, which i would prefer.

we still have some assets to trade alongside goran, a package of goran, marcus morris, plumlee and tucker should
land us at least one good player - someone who can take over the locker room with his attitude.

[Son of Ra]

My take; I am seriously bummed because I genuinely envisioned Dragic being our Ginobili, but if the max rumours are true, then I am fine with trading him now. I would not want him under contract for that, despite being amongst the big Dragic homers out there.
If you've watched him all season and especially watched the post game interviews you could've seen it coming from a mile away though. Especially one of the last ones on brightside where he just seemed genuinley crushed and broken about the teams loss, chemistry, overall situation and you hear many other players laughing and not giving a **** about anything.

I agree with the ones saying that we took every step possible to piss off our all NBA guard (signing two additional PGs, play him off ball, etc) the very next season, in his contract year nonetheless. He has been trying to adapt at first, but I feel like he's been fair because he has been honest and straightforward about his feelings in interviews and very much voicing his concerns lately. So I believe he had tons of internal talks too and the FO/coach still didn't do anything about it.
You don't treat your star like that and I hope potential future star signings didn't take notes...

Bottom line with the max supposedly on the table I am fine with trading him, I just hate how it went down and that it had to come to this.

Still hope that we trade IT, I think he is a good player but i dont like his game. I already don't enjoy Bledsoe's game but he should stay because overall he is a very good player, now without a doubt for once our best. Don't want to dislike our entire PG rotation, looking forward to watching an old school distributing PG like Ennis again on my team. Give him the second unit, if we're still trying to compete while rebuilding now I'm gonna lose it.

If we don't start playing our rookies tons and tons of minutes now I will freeze my ballstreams account and not religiously watch 97% of games week in week out for the first time in probably 5 years...