Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

[Frank Lee]

I like Boogie just because he plays with emotion, he doesn't get many calls so he'd fit in, and I think he'd complete the bad boy Suns roster. Plus instead of our guys holding the Morri back the Morri would be the only ones able to hold Boogie back. The Morri would have to grow up quick.

I am betting on the MoBros to be gone. If not, then it is confirmed that the Babbler is completely full of S**t. Never again will they use the 'Suns' culture/type of player to describe anyone. I think that decision was made around the secret beat down episode, and we have seen a coach who knows this. He does not care about either... yet has to play them to establish their value. Cousins would be just more of the same problems, talent be damned.


Watch the youtube clip LetsGo describes as vicious... and listen to Heinsohn's response when asked..."What do you do with a player like him?" ...

Answer: 'You trade him'

I think this team needs less thuggery, not more.

[thamadkant]

but Cousins is more of a Barkley-type "thug", as in he is emotional but could be an MVP candidate "acceptable" behaviour when on a winning team / mentored by a respectable coach.

You can "live" with his outburst given that he puts up 23/12/1.5/1.5 for a big man. You just surround him with "good" influential staff that maximises his talent and minimises his negatives. As long as he doesnt cause off-court issues its fine.
Morris twins have on and off court issues... I mean calling out fans as "worst" in the league and assault are definitely off-court issues.

If they were putting up 20+ points a night and being all-stars, I can live with the techs.

[Cutter]

I like Boogie just because he plays with emotion, he doesn't get many calls so he'd fit in, and I think he'd complete the bad boy Suns roster. Plus instead of our guys holding the Morri back the Morri would be the only ones able to hold Boogie back. The Morri would have to grow up quick.

I am betting on the MoBros to be gone. If not, then it is confirmed that the Babbler is completely full of S**t. Never again will they use the 'Suns' culture/type of player to describe anyone. I think that decision was made around the secret beat down episode, and we have seen a coach who knows this. He does not care about either... yet has to play them to establish their value. Cousins would be just more of the same problems, talent be damned.


Watch the youtube clip LetsGo describes as vicious... and listen to Heinsohn's response when asked..."What do you do with a player like him?" ...

Answer: 'You trade him'

I think this team needs less thuggery, not more.

In all of your recent ramblings about McDuh and the front office being incompetent, you have now begun to hit on the next phase of the front office house keeping program. By my analysis, the twins are gone this summer with the first reasonable trade offer. Not a blockbuster trade, just a trade to get them off the roster and get an asset. I just don't see the FO keeping them with all the dirty laundry that has accumulated with them this year. Last year Keef by himself was just fine for the team, but witht the addition of Marcus this year the Wonder Twins together are a no-go in the land of the Suns.

But of course coach has to play both of them to keep their trade value up. When they are gone, I'm going to miss Keef the most. I like him as a player and wish he could stay, but his time has passed and apparently he only comess in a package deal.

[nevetsov]

I'd trade the twins, and maybe even one of the PGs, for an upgrade at starting PF, then draft a backup PF. Maybe even try to get a real playmaker while we're at it. Best bet would be to hope CLE makes an early playoff exit and we can use the Bled-James agent connection to our advantage, forcing him to CLE.

Knight s&t to SAC for Stauskas and Collison
Bledsoe & Collison to CLE for Irving
Morrii, Stauskas and CLE pick returned for Love

Cleveland get deep, Sactown upgrades PG, we get enough vets to balance the youth:

Prime: Irving, Tucker, Love, Wright
Youth: Archie, Bullock, Warren, PF DRAFT, Len
Vets: PG FA, Granger, C FA (Barron?)

Cleveland run with:
Bledsoe/ Smith/ LeBron/ Thompson/ Mozgov
Collison/ Stauskas/ Marcus/ Markieff/ Varejao

[MrMiyagi]

I'd trade the twins, and maybe even one of the PGs, for an upgrade at starting PF, then draft a backup PF. Maybe even try to get a real playmaker while we're at it. Best bet would be to hope CLE makes an early playoff exit and we can use the Bled-James agent connection to our advantage, forcing him to CLE.

Knight s&t to SAC for Stauskas and Collison
Bledsoe & Collison to CLE for Irving
Morrii, Stauskas and CLE pick returned for Love

Cleveland get deep, Sactown upgrades PG, we get enough vets to balance the youth:

Prime: Irving, Tucker, Love, Wright
Youth: Archie, Bullock, Warren, PF DRAFT, Len
Vets: PG FA, Granger, C FA (Barron?)

Cleveland run with:
Bledsoe/ Smith/ LeBron/ Thompson/ Mozgov
Collison/ Stauskas/ Marcus/ Markieff/ Varejao

I don't see how that makes any sense at all for Cleveland.

[Frank Lee]

I think its going to be hard to move the MoBros. To me, its a priority, and I think JHorn has been told/realizes to move them, he must play them. But I have no idea where. They are stinking it up and sinking their value.

I like the Sactown talks... but its Bled I move there for #7 and Stauskas or even Landry. Of course this means signing Knight. If I get a trade for the MoBros, I'd gladly take Carl Landry.

At 7 I draft Porzing or Stein... then at 13 I pick up that PG Grant from ND

in the second round I find a way to get Gathers from Baylor. 6'8" 280 fine kid, great attitude.

[AtheJ415]

I think its going to be hard to move the MoBros. To me, its a priority, and I think JHorn has been told/realizes to move them, he must play them. But I have no idea where. They are stinking it up and sinking their value.

I like the Sactown talks... but its Bled I move there for #7 and Stauskas or even Landry. Of course this means signing Knight. If I get a trade for the MoBros, I'd gladly take Carl Landry.

At 7 I draft Porzing or Stein... then at 13 I pick up that PG Grant from ND

in the second round I find a way to get Gathers from Baylor. 6'8" 280 fine kid, great attitude.

This is some of the most insane bs I've ever read.

[Frank Lee]

Just not up Bledsoe's butt.... sorry. Call me nuts for wanting a PG? I kind of like the ones who do not have to be airborn to pass. ISO ball begins with 18 seconds of dribbling.

I assume that is the jist of your comment.

[carey]

Just not up Bledsoe's butt.... sorry. Call me nuts for wanting a PG? I kind of like the ones who do not have to be airborn to pass. ISO ball begins with 18 seconds of dribbling.

I assume that is the jist of your comment.

I don't think Grant is much of a PG. He kind of looks like Jamal Crawford maybe? Idk who he really reminds me of.

I don't mind getting Stuaskas & #7 for him but I'd probably only do it if Hezonja is available there (he probably won't be.) At #13 I still take Harrel. I'm all about the youth movement and going actual rebuild though. We've kind of had one foot in and it isn't really working for us.

Knight/Goodwin
Hezonja/Stauskas
Warren/Bullock
Harell/?
Len/Wright

Keef and Marcus can **** off at this point. That squad won't win you many games but I don't want to be on the 8th to 10th seed forever. I want to build something meaningful.

[Frank Lee]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/07/sports/ncaabasketball/thriving-after-a-ban-a-notre-dames-jerian-grant-impresses-a-hall-of-famer.html?_r=0

The ACC tourney kicks off today. I have seen this kid(grant) a couple of times. The game that stands out was vs Duke (mentioned above)
Looked pretty good, I wouldn't be surprised if Orlando snags him, as he was high schooling with Olidipo at DeMatha. He a senior, has a solid background... there is a lot to like about him.

Harrell is another Ive seen a couple times. He did struggle against NCSt's big front line... but he was relentless. BTW, there are some hosses on both NCst and NC. And it should be our priority to put a legit PF next to Len.

With us, It would be extra nice to have a second pick (+?), and I am with you on rebuilding the rebuild. If McDuh can turn both Bled and Knight into firsts, while scuttling the MoBros, he will gain some architectural faith from me.

At least with MarchMad upon us, we will have enjoying basketball to watch.


Still like this kid late...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o1PTUy7020[/youtube]

[RaisingArizona]

I think its going to be hard to move the MoBros. To me, its a priority, and I think JHorn has been told/realizes to move them, he must play them. But I have no idea where. They are stinking it up and sinking their value.

I like the Sactown talks... but its Bled I move there for #7 and Stauskas or even Landry. Of course this means signing Knight. If I get a trade for the MoBros, I'd gladly take Carl Landry.

At 7 I draft Porzing or Stein... then at 13 I pick up that PG Grant from ND

in the second round I find a way to get Gathers from Baylor. 6'8" 280 fine kid, great attitude.

This is some of the most insane bs I've ever read.

Since you quoted him I was forced to view that piece of garbage of a post, too. Thanks...

[AtheJ415]

Just not up Bledsoe's butt.... sorry. Call me nuts for wanting a PG? I kind of like the ones who do not have to be airborn to pass. ISO ball begins with 18 seconds of dribbling.

I assume that is the jist of your comment.

I call you nuts for what you're trading our guys for. You can hate them all you want, but you let your hatred of them cloud your judgment. You're trading guys with promise who are some of the better players at their positions given their ages for a boatload of literal crap. If you want to trade them fine, but don't give them away. And yes, you are insane for thinking their contracts are bad. Nobody on this team has a bad contract. That's our best attribute right now.

[Frank Lee]

I am not sure who the crazy one is... I haven't proposed a MoBro trade nor commented on their contracts in a long time. I just think they will be gone...but honestly can't figure out who would want them (and their wonderfully valued contracts). Don't blame me as it is generally believed they were almost dealt to chicago last month.

And lets be clear... its not hate, its disgust with them. Bled I am indifferent on. I personally do not view him as a valid PG, but, its a personal preference. I like those pass first get the team involved kind of PGs. But hey, thanks for playing. Just be sure you don't quote me as i'd hate to see Gino have to read yet another opposing view.

(and just in case you do, be sure to include my prior statement about Miami getting a good PG and we lost our only two )

[thamadkant]

Knicks and Lakers..

Suns should package a combination of the Morris twins, Bledsoe OR Knight, 2015 pick(s) for their higher pick (Top 5).

Suns have enough good-high upside players, they need legit Stud/Star potential players... Towns, Stanley Johnson, Okafor, Russell etc... would also clarify the direction of the team and have a CLEAN slate. Keep maybe Tucker to have that guy who shows great effort night in and night out as an example.

[Qwigglez]

I am not sure who the crazy one is... I haven't proposed a MoBro trade nor commented on their contracts in a long time. I just think they will be gone...but honestly can't figure out who would want them (and their wonderfully valued contracts). Don't blame me as it is generally believed they were almost dealt to chicago last month.

And lets be clear... its not hate, its disgust with them. Bled I am indifferent on. I personally do not view him as a valid PG, but, its a personal preference. I like those pass first get the team involved kind of PGs. But hey, thanks for playing. Just be sure you don't quote me as i'd hate to see Gino have to read yet another opposing view.

(and just in case you do, be sure to include my prior statement about Miami getting a good PG and we lost our only two )

I know this probably shouldn't be in this thread, but since you brought up wanting a pass first PG, was wondering would you trade Bledsoe for Rubio if the Wolves offered it? Similar contracts, close in terms of age, both injury prone. Rubio is the closest thing to Nash in terms of passing in this league, and maybe Hornacek can teach him to shoot.

[Frank Lee]

I wouldn't Quigs, I don't think Rubio will ever learn how to shoot. I think there would be a better chance we land brick layer Rondo for Knight... but... something tells me the 2PG system may be here to stay

who knows, may be Bled will see it important to improve his playmaking.... but he just doesn't appear to have that mindset.

[Qwigglez]

Fair point Frank. I don't think I would do it either. Rubio is very limited offensively, and we would need some high powered offensive weapons to play him with to see his full value. As our roster stands currently, he wouldn't make a big difference.
On some occasions I see Bled make some beautiful passes, and think wow he's starting to get it. Then other times I think... what a stupid pass, is he still in HS.
Anyway, to get back on topic, I don't follow college much. Wish we could make a deal to land a top pick, but I doubt that would happen.

[ATTL]

Anyone else like Christian Wood as a pick for us in the late lotto? He's got NBA height but needs to add strength. A faceup big man who takes people off the dribble pretty well.

[saintEscaton]

Anyone else like Christian Wood as a pick for us in the late lotto? He's got NBA height but needs to add strength. A faceup big man who takes people off the dribble pretty well.

I'm all aboard. I brought him up earlier. His length/raw upside alone makes him intriguing and worth a flier, although he is still far from being a finished product and needs to develops a consistent repertoire of post moves as well as to bulk up and fill out his frame. Could be a steal in the late lottery

[bwgood77]

I think we should win the lotto and take Okafor. That's my current plan.

Actually, I think if we stay at 13, we will likely end up with Looney if he is there. 6'9, 220, 12 ppg, 9 rpg, 1.4 apg, 1.3 spg, 1bpg, 45.7% from 3 all as a freshman.

9 rebounds a game as a freshman is huge. Also, to be able to hit that well from 3, being a freshman big PF is pretty remarkable.