Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer

[TeamTragic]

That's not what I heard today

Check the wiretap news above.

Only other source I could find was a Lakersnation article. So I wouldn't buy it as of yet.If push comes to shove Ranadive will likely intervene and fire Karl and override any decision made by Vlade

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/239036/Vast-Majority-Within-Kings-Organization-In-Favor-Of-Trading-DeMarcus-Cousins

How much else needs to be said? Only Ranadive and Divac don't want to trade Cousins. Everyone else does - though yes - this is coming from Bleacher Report. McD needs to get on the phone and sell the farm (.....that means Goodwin bwgood77!)

[bigfoot]

Check the wiretap news above.

Only other source I could find was a Lakersnation article. So I wouldn't buy it as of yet.If push comes to shove Ranadive will likely intervene and fire Karl and override any decision made by Vlade

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/239036/Vast-Majority-Within-Kings-Organization-In-Favor-Of-Trading-DeMarcus-Cousins

How much else needs to be said? Only Ranadive and Divac don't want to trade Cousins, Everyone else does - though yes- this is coming from Bleacher Report. McD needs to get on the phone and sell the farm (.....that means Goodwin bwgood77!)

Not sure I agree with acquiring Cousins. He is a center who takes a high volume of shots but doesn't have a good 2pt FG percentage. Almost 95% of his shots come within 10 feet of the basket and 63% within three feet .... yet his shooting percentage is a paltry 46.7%. That's really bad for a center and the primary offensive option.

[matt131]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/boogiecousins/status/633404843147702272[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/bgoodvlade/status/633407889370017792[/tweet]

Probably no trade.

[jcsunsfan]

.......then late season rental of a one year wonder undervalued guard nearing 30 who gave the Heat no assurance of re-signing when we had no leverage or chance at keeping.....

pretty certain Riley was certain that Goran was certain. You see.... Riley and Mickey made no secret about their desire for him and were crystal clear on what role he was going to play. We easily could have kept and re-signed Dragic had we practiced what the experienced grand master GM did. Dragic was allowed to fester in the dark in a marginalized role, pushed aside so McDuh could show off his prize FA acquisition which he apparently snagged just for trade. (for a late late pick in a shallow draft?) They will never admit it, but it is easy to see the whole thing could have been replayed with a far different result. Even as a sign and trade. As it stands, we lost a valuable piece/player for nothing that helped in this immediate rebuild. Sure, time will tell, but to call that deal some kind of victory is premature until it all plays out.

Placing so much value on future unknown picks is self-ass-patting at its finest. Go back and review the trade of an NBA starting center (GORTAT) for a pick that was two yrs down the road.... it yielded Tyler Ennis. TheGORAT for Tyler Ennis. Fair value ??? (Ernie G says thanks) Would anyone championing the miami picks care to comment on that similar scenario that actually happened?

If you want to see the future, sometimes all you need to do is look at the past.

Except Dragic only played 1.7 minutes per game less than he did the season previous and took a 2.7 drop in usage %. And it's not like he exploded when he got to Miami, he put up almost the exact same numbers as in Phoenix. People need to stop making it out that Goran was some sort of victim in this scenario, like he was cast off to the bench and took a 15 minute per game cut in playing time.

And Dragic was overused the season before, almost criminally so. His career would have been shortened had he continued to get those extended minutes and usage. He plays pg with abandon and without regard for his own body.

[Saberestar]

Valanciunas signing a $60M / 4 years or a little more than that is a really good contract for Toronto.

[lilfishi22]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/boogiecousins/status/633404843147702272[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/bgoodvlade/status/633407889370017792[/tweet]

Probably no trade.

For now. It's all happy family now but when they start losing and you throw Karl and Rondo in the mix, the trade talks will undoubtedly start up again.

[TeamTragic]

Only other source I could find was a Lakersnation article. So I wouldn't buy it as of yet.If push comes to shove Ranadive will likely intervene and fire Karl and override any decision made by Vlade

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/239036/Vast-Majority-Within-Kings-Organization-In-Favor-Of-Trading-DeMarcus-Cousins

How much else needs to be said? Only Ranadive and Divac don't want to trade Cousins. Everyone else does - though yes - this is coming from Bleacher Report. McD needs to get on the phone and sell the farm (.....that means Goodwin bwgood77!)

Not sure I agree with acquiring Cousins. He is a center who takes a high volume of shots but doesn't have a good 2pt FG percentage. Almost 95% of his shots come within 10 feet of the basket and 63% within three feet .... yet his shooting percentage is a paltry 46.7%. That's really bad for a center and the primary offensive option.

Who would you prefer that would actually be attainable in a trade?

[NTB]

Wow am I seeing someone doesn't want Cousins for on-court reasons? That's odd.

[Superhuman]

Wow am I seeing someone doesn't want Cousins for on-court reasons? That's odd.

He would undoubtedly be the best center we've ever had. But it's a pipedream.

[Cutter]

Only other source I could find was a Lakersnation article. So I wouldn't buy it as of yet.If push comes to shove Ranadive will likely intervene and fire Karl and override any decision made by Vlade

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/239036/Vast-Majority-Within-Kings-Organization-In-Favor-Of-Trading-DeMarcus-Cousins

How much else needs to be said? Only Ranadive and Divac don't want to trade Cousins, Everyone else does - though yes- this is coming from Bleacher Report. McD needs to get on the phone and sell the farm (.....that means Goodwin bwgood77!)

Not sure I agree with acquiring Cousins. He is a center who takes a high volume of shots but doesn't have a good 2pt FG percentage. Almost 95% of his shots come within 10 feet of the basket and 63% within three feet .... yet his shooting percentage is a paltry 46.7%. That's really bad for a center and the primary offensive option.

I would also stay clear of Cousins. I don't think he makes the Suns any better than we already are. High usage, low efficiency players like him will never win a championship and ultimately hurt the team they are on. Think Carmelo Anthony.

[saintEscaton]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/239036/Vast-Majority-Within-Kings-Organization-In-Favor-Of-Trading-DeMarcus-Cousins

How much else needs to be said? Only Ranadive and Divac don't want to trade Cousins. Everyone else does - though yes - this is coming from Bleacher Report. McD needs to get on the phone and sell the farm (.....that means Goodwin bwgood77!)

Not sure I agree with acquiring Cousins. He is a center who takes a high volume of shots but doesn't have a good 2pt FG percentage. Almost 95% of his shots come within 10 feet of the basket and 63% within three feet .... yet his shooting percentage is a paltry 46.7%. That's really bad for a center and the primary offensive option.

Who would you prefer that would actually be attainable in a trade?

Implying that Boogie is actually attainable for us in a trade

But yeah I agree that he is no way a superstar and gets talked up too much even though he puts up great boxscore stats on a terrible team that puts him is historic company of all-time great bigs. Although he has a great free throw rate over 50% meaning he gets to the charity more than half as many times as his total field goals attempted) his league leading turnovers and propensity to foul pretty much offset that. His minutes get limited in 4th quarters because by then he's usually picked up his 5th and he has a short fuse and get teed up at a moment's notice bcause of his bad body language. Actually his inefficiency costs the Kings more on the offense and its only his defense,blocks, rebounding, steals that saves him from being a net negative. This is a good article. Introduces a metric called Points Over Par which based on per 48 minute Win shares( total point differential a player contributes on both ends of the court). Cousins has a PoP of just 1.6 http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/articles/we-agree-demarcus-cousins-isn-t-an-all-star

[Gorilla Warfare]

Why do people insist on talking about Cousins in a Suns uniform? You do realize that he's got a worse attitude than that cry baby Markieff, right?

I'd rather trade Markieff to the Kings for Collison and scrap and watch their franchise implode.

[saintEscaton]

Why do people insist on talking about Cousins in a Suns uniform? You do realize that he's got a worse attitude than that cry baby Markieff, right?

He's still immature and has poor temperament. But he's nowhere near a thug like Queef. He's had no off the court runs in with the law and brings passion to his team. He could have rightfully thrown everyone else under the bus for the King's lack of success but he didn't and instead actually wants to commit to staying. Its kind of sad to see his talent go to waste though in a terribly run dysfunctional organization with an incompetent Mickey Mouse ownership

[MrMiyagi]

..... People need to stop making it out that Goran was some sort of victim in this scenario, like he was cast off to the bench and took a 15 minute per game cut in playing time.

Come on Miyag...stick to the sarcasm. He wasn't cast off to the bench... he was put in the corner and had to watch the one on one fest...perhaps a worse seat than the bench.


I get it saint... agree... something for nothing isn't a bad trade...as the FO allowed something (Dragic) turn into practically nothing with their silent arrogance, then pooch screwed themselves with their response. And deferring to Wade has to be a heck of a lot easier to do than to IT or Bled... at least Dragic is back at PG.

I just can't salute those two picks like they are royalty. They will likely be used as tack ons in trade... Dragic is a tack on ? If we actually use them, well, they sure did not help the cause now.

So the guy who attempted the most shots on the team prior to the trades was the put in the corner, huh? Not to mention having the worst assist rate among out 3 point guards. Yeah, definitely the victim of selfish basketball, and not the perpetrator of it.

[DRK]

Why do people insist on talking about Cousins in a Suns uniform? You do realize that he's got a worse attitude than that cry baby Markieff, right?

I'd rather trade Markieff to the Kings for Collison and scrap and watch their franchise implode.

Someone does not know who DeMarcus Cousins is, or has read too many media articles.

The guy is a passionate basketball player. That is all.

[Sunsdeuce]

Why do people insist on talking about Cousins in a Suns uniform? You do realize that he's got a worse attitude than that cry baby Markieff, right?

He's still immature and has poor temperament. But he's nowhere near a thug like Queef. He's had no off the court runs in with the law and brings passion to his team. He could have rightfully thrown everyone else under the buss for the King's lack of success but he didn't and instead actually wants to commit to staying. Its kind of sad to see his talent go to waste though in a terribly run organization with an incompetent Mickey Mouse ownership

You forgot to mention that cousins is a superstar. It's been like half a decade since this team has had a star and yet people want to be picky. It's a domino. The first one falls the others would follow.


On a side note (I'm gonna rant for awhile, need to get it off my chest):
I'm getting tired of posting on realgm anymore for Suns stuff. It's 5 straight (going on 6 years) of totally trash basketball by this once proud organization. It's the same BS song and dance from this organization for 5 freaking years. "We just ask for patience from the fans!" Those days passed by 3 years ago. It's put up or shut up time.

There was a time I would get Suns tattoos because I was a freak fan. My love for the Suns organization was unmatched. But that was under a different owner and a different time. This owner basically pisses on the history, implementing orange and black as colors. WTF is this Halloween or something? The whole point of the Suns colors was it came from the Arizona sunset. Don't get me started on the "Los Suns" profit gimmick. Sarver is more worried about a profit than attracting stars.

The Suns current plan is "to wait for a disgruntled star to come available". What kind BS plan is that. Ryan has collected a large amount of marginal players that most teams look at as good role players. Ryan basically pushes Bledsoe on everyone like he is some sort of star. I'd rather pull a fast on the league like the Spurs did (pretending David Robinson has a season long injury) and get the #1 pick. "But you don't know if the player will be a star or not", we get from some here. No some people are content on picking #13 every year and collecting a whole bunch of earl clarks, Archie goodwins, markieff's, Warren (has potential to be a good role player) and points guards who can't even stay in the league anymore. But there is not one star among them. I'm sick of it. Shoot the coyotes have a brighter future than the Suns right now.

There's a reason the cardinals are the star attraction in phx right now. Great ownership (once bill gave the power to his son, nothing but up), great FO, great coaching, great culture. Players are wanting to play for the Cardinals. They want a chance to win.

The Suns organization literally needs to be torn up from the floor up. Nothing is going to change until Babby is gone and a said truth I have come to accept is nothing is going to change until sarver is gone. I tried and I tried and i tired to give the guy the benefit of doubt. Poor leadership breeds poor leadership. Sarver is a poor leader for this organization.

I'm sorry but I have been waiting a long time to just let out all my frustration. This is 5 going on 6 years of pillow talk from this organization. Sarver has road the coattails of success that Steve Nash provided. He has done nothing more. I'm sick of it all with this organization.

[saintEscaton]

Why do people insist on talking about Cousins in a Suns uniform? You do realize that he's got a worse attitude than that cry baby Markieff, right?

He's still immature and has poor temperament. But he's nowhere near a thug like Queef. He's had no off the court runs in with the law and brings passion to his team. He could have rightfully thrown everyone else under the buss for the King's lack of success but he didn't and instead actually wants to commit to staying. Its kind of sad to see his talent go to waste though in a terribly run organization with an incompetent Mickey Mouse ownership

You forgot to mention that cousins is a superstar. It's been like half a decade since this team has had a star and yet people want to be picky. It's a domino. The first one falls the others would follow.


On a side note (I'm gonna rant for awhile, need to get it off my chest):
I'm getting tired of posting on realgm anymore for Suns stuff. It's 5 straight (going on 6 years) of totally trash basketball by this once proud organization. It's the same BS song and dance from this organization for 5 freaking years. "We just ask for patience from the fans!" Those days passed by 3 years ago. It's put up or shut up time.

There was a time I would get Suns tattoos because I was a freak fan. My love for the Suns organization was unmatched. But that was under a different owner and a different time. This owner basically pisses on the history, implementing orange and black as colors. WTF is this Halloween or something? The whole point of the Suns colors was it came from the Arizona sunset. Don't get me started on the "Los Suns" profit gimmick. Sarver is more worried about a profit than attracting stars.

The Suns current plan is "to wait for a disgruntled star to come available". What kind BS plan is that. Ryan has collected a large amount of marginal players that most teams look at as good role players. Ryan basically pushes Bledsoe on everyone like he is some sort of star. I'd rather pull a fast on the league like the Spurs did (pretending David Robinson has a season long injury) and get the #1 pick. "But you don't know if the player will be a star or not", we get from some here. No some people are content on picking #13 every year and collecting a whole bunch of earl clarks, Archie goodwins, markieff's, Warren (has potential to be a good role player) and points guards who can't even stay in the league anymore. But there is not one star among them. I'm sick of it. Shoot the coyotes have a brighter future than the Suns right now.

There's a reason the cardinals are the star attraction in phx right now. Great ownership (once bill gave the power to his son, nothing but up), great FO, great coaching, great culture. Players are wanting to play for the Cardinals. They want a chance to win.

The Suns organization literally needs to be torn up from the floor up. Nothing is going to change until Babby is gone and a said truth I have come to accept is nothing is going to change until sarver is gone. I tried and I tried and i tired to give the guy the benefit of doubt. Poor leadership breeds poor leadership. Sarver is a poor leader for this organization.

I'm sorry but I have been waiting a long time to just let out all my frustration. This is 5 going on 6 years of pillow talk from this organization. Sarver has road the coattails of success that Steve Nash provided. He has done nothing more. I'm sick of it all with this organization.

My thoughs exactly. Except Boogie isn't a bona fide superstar/franchise building block in my book. But agreed. Beggars can't be choosers

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

Why do people insist on talking about Cousins in a Suns uniform? You do realize that he's got a worse attitude than that cry baby Markieff, right?

He's still immature and has poor temperament. But he's nowhere near a thug like Queef. He's had no off the court runs in with the law and brings passion to his team. He could have rightfully thrown everyone else under the buss for the King's lack of success but he didn't and instead actually wants to commit to staying. Its kind of sad to see his talent go to waste though in a terribly run organization with an incompetent Mickey Mouse ownership

You forgot to mention that cousins is a superstar. It's been like half a decade since this team has had a star and yet people want to be picky. It's a domino. The first one falls the others would follow.


On a side note (I'm gonna rant for awhile, need to get it off my chest):
I'm getting tired of posting on realgm anymore for Suns stuff. It's 5 straight (going on 6 years) of totally trash basketball by this once proud organization. It's the same BS song and dance from this organization for 5 freaking years. "We just ask for patience from the fans!" Those days passed by 3 years ago. It's put up or shut up time.

There was a time I would get Suns tattoos because I was a freak fan. My love for the Suns organization was unmatched. But that was under a different owner and a different time. This owner basically pisses on the history, implementing orange and black as colors. WTF is this Halloween or something? The whole point of the Suns colors was it came from the Arizona sunset. Don't get me started on the "Los Suns" profit gimmick. Sarver is more worried about a profit than attracting stars.

The Suns current plan is "to wait for a disgruntled star to come available". What kind BS plan is that. Ryan has collected a large amount of marginal players that most teams look at as good role players. Ryan basically pushes Bledsoe on everyone like he is some sort of star. I'd rather pull a fast on the league like the Spurs did (pretending David Robinson has a season long injury) and get the #1 pick. "But you don't know if the player will be a star or not", we get from some here. No some people are content on picking #13 every year and collecting a whole bunch of earl clarks, Archie goodwins, markieff's, Warren (has potential to be a good role player) and points guards who can't even stay in the league anymore. But there is not one star among them. I'm sick of it. Shoot the coyotes have a brighter future than the Suns right now.

There's a reason the cardinals are the star attraction in phx right now. Great ownership (once bill gave the power to his son, nothing but up), great FO, great coaching, great culture. Players are wanting to play for the Cardinals. They want a chance to win.

The Suns organization literally needs to be torn up from the floor up. Nothing is going to change until Babby is gone and a said truth I have come to accept is nothing is going to change until sarver is gone. I tried and I tried and i tired to give the guy the benefit of doubt. Poor leadership breeds poor leadership. Sarver is a poor leader for this organization.

I'm sorry but I have been waiting a long time to just let out all my frustration. This is 5 going on 6 years of pillow talk from this organization. Sarver has road the coattails of success that Steve Nash provided. He has done nothing more. I'm sick of it all with this organization.

I agree with many of your points, but the problem with going for the #1 pick is that we don't have that one star we can sit. We'd have to sit a bunch of players, so it's not feasible. The west is so tough that we likely will have a tough time becoming a top notch team for years. I'm definitely frustrated but I've lived through years of frustration with the football teams I pull for and at some point, tides change. I have hope that the same happens with the Suns. The Cards were trash for like 15 years and the Chargers were trash for like 7.

[saintEscaton]

Spoiler:

He's still immature and has poor temperament. But he's nowhere near a thug like Queef. He's had no off the court runs in with the law and brings passion to his team. He could have rightfully thrown everyone else under the buss for the King's lack of success but he didn't and instead actually wants to commit to staying. Its kind of sad to see his talent go to waste though in a terribly run organization with an incompetent Mickey Mouse ownership

You forgot to mention that cousins is a superstar. It's been like half a decade since this team has had a star and yet people want to be picky. It's a domino. The first one falls the others would follow.


On a side note (I'm gonna rant for awhile, need to get it off my chest):
I'm getting tired of posting on realgm anymore for Suns stuff. It's 5 straight (going on 6 years) of totally trash basketball by this once proud organization. It's the same BS song and dance from this organization for 5 freaking years. "We just ask for patience from the fans!" Those days passed by 3 years ago. It's put up or shut up time.

There was a time I would get Suns tattoos because I was a freak fan. My love for the Suns organization was unmatched. But that was under a different owner and a different time. This owner basically pisses on the history, implementing orange and black as colors. WTF is this Halloween or something? The whole point of the Suns colors was it came from the Arizona sunset. Don't get me started on the "Los Suns" profit gimmick. Sarver is more worried about a profit than attracting stars.

The Suns current plan is "to wait for a disgruntled star to come available". What kind BS plan is that. Ryan has collected a large amount of marginal players that most teams look at as good role players. Ryan basically pushes Bledsoe on everyone like he is some sort of star. I'd rather pull a fast on the league like the Spurs did (pretending David Robinson has a season long injury) and get the #1 pick. "But you don't know if the player will be a star or not", we get from some here. No some people are content on picking #13 every year and collecting a whole bunch of earl clarks, Archie goodwins, markieff's, Warren (has potential to be a good role player) and points guards who can't even stay in the league anymore. But there is not one star among them. I'm sick of it. Shoot the coyotes have a brighter future than the Suns right now.

There's a reason the cardinals are the star attraction in phx right now. Great ownership (once bill gave the power to his son, nothing but up), great FO, great coaching, great culture. Players are wanting to play for the Cardinals. They want a chance to win.

The Suns organization literally needs to be torn up from the floor up. Nothing is going to change until Babby is gone and a said truth I have come to accept is nothing is going to change until sarver is gone. I tried and I tried and i tired to give the guy the benefit of doubt. Poor leadership breeds poor leadership. Sarver is a poor leader for this organization.

I'm sorry but I have been waiting a long time to just let out all my frustration. This is 5 going on 6 years of pillow talk from this organization. Sarver has road the coattails of success that Steve Nash provided. He has done nothing more. I'm sick of it all with this organization.

I agree with many of your points, but the problem with going for the #1 pick is that we don't have that one star we can sit. We'd have to sit a bunch of players, so it's not feasible. The west is so tough that we likely will have a tough time becoming a top notch team for years. I'm definitely frustrated but I've lived through years of frustration with the football teams I pull for and at some point, tides change. I have hope that the same happens with the Suns. The Cards were trash for like 15 years and the Chargers were trash for like 7.

Except changing your fortune quickly is much easier in a sport like bball where one player can singlehandedly lift an otherwise sorry team into contention because only 5 guys can be on the court at a time. Sure the NBA draft is one of the biggest crapshoots(well except the MLB draft where picks are literally drawn from the hat) since its getting top heavy as ever with thinning depth, second rounders aren't expected to even make the team and there's a huge drop off between early lottery talent and the rest. But its also the most rewarding and requires the least amount of homework/scouting rigor(with the exception of overseas talent evalation) than the NFL to determine the one and done elite prospects although with a lesser margin of error. That is why blowing it up or simply not fighting against the process of naturally bottoming out is a viable strategy in the NBA and not in other sports. Expectin a complete turnaround in less than a decade is completely realistic expectations in this game but at the rate we're going we'll be hardpressed to witness a first round playoff exit by 2020. So once we finally clinch that 8th seed Sarver will wave the foam finger in the concession stand and tell us to be satisfied because mission has accomplished in the revenue department

[Sunsdeuce]

Spoiler:

He's still immature and has poor temperament. But he's nowhere near a thug like Queef. He's had no off the court runs in with the law and brings passion to his team. He could have rightfully thrown everyone else under the buss for the King's lack of success but he didn't and instead actually wants to commit to staying. Its kind of sad to see his talent go to waste though in a terribly run organization with an incompetent Mickey Mouse ownership

You forgot to mention that cousins is a superstar. It's been like half a decade since this team has had a star and yet people want to be picky. It's a domino. The first one falls the others would follow.


On a side note (I'm gonna rant for awhile, need to get it off my chest):
I'm getting tired of posting on realgm anymore for Suns stuff. It's 5 straight (going on 6 years) of totally trash basketball by this once proud organization. It's the same BS song and dance from this organization for 5 freaking years. "We just ask for patience from the fans!" Those days passed by 3 years ago. It's put up or shut up time.

There was a time I would get Suns tattoos because I was a freak fan. My love for the Suns organization was unmatched. But that was under a different owner and a different time. This owner basically pisses on the history, implementing orange and black as colors. WTF is this Halloween or something? The whole point of the Suns colors was it came from the Arizona sunset. Don't get me started on the "Los Suns" profit gimmick. Sarver is more worried about a profit than attracting stars.

The Suns current plan is "to wait for a disgruntled star to come available". What kind BS plan is that. Ryan has collected a large amount of marginal players that most teams look at as good role players. Ryan basically pushes Bledsoe on everyone like he is some sort of star. I'd rather pull a fast on the league like the Spurs did (pretending David Robinson has a season long injury) and get the #1 pick. "But you don't know if the player will be a star or not", we get from some here. No some people are content on picking #13 every year and collecting a whole bunch of earl clarks, Archie goodwins, markieff's, Warren (has potential to be a good role player) and points guards who can't even stay in the league anymore. But there is not one star among them. I'm sick of it. Shoot the coyotes have a brighter future than the Suns right now.

There's a reason the cardinals are the star attraction in phx right now. Great ownership (once bill gave the power to his son, nothing but up), great FO, great coaching, great culture. Players are wanting to play for the Cardinals. They want a chance to win.

The Suns organization literally needs to be torn up from the floor up. Nothing is going to change until Babby is gone and a said truth I have come to accept is nothing is going to change until sarver is gone. I tried and I tried and i tired to give the guy the benefit of doubt. Poor leadership breeds poor leadership. Sarver is a poor leader for this organization.

I'm sorry but I have been waiting a long time to just let out all my frustration. This is 5 going on 6 years of pillow talk from this organization. Sarver has road the coattails of success that Steve Nash provided. He has done nothing more. I'm sick of it all with this organization.

I agree with many of your points, but the problem with going for the #1 pick is that we don't have that one star we can sit. We'd have to sit a bunch of players, so it's not feasible. The west is so tough that we likely will have a tough time becoming a top notch team for years. I'm definitely frustrated but I've lived through years of frustration with the football teams I pull for and at some point, tides change. I have hope that the same happens with the Suns. The Cards were trash for like 15 years and the Chargers were trash for like 7.

Yeah I know, I'm just so frustrated with this organization. It brought me so many memories as a kid and it was a franchise I adored. It's like growing up in a town you loved then coming back and all the businesses are closed and everyone has moved away. Depressing.

Btw: chargers have some nice pieces over there. They could make some noise. Good luck to you on the upcoming season.