Stein: Sources say Hornacek's job is "under immediate threat"

bigfoot · Post #121 » by **bigfoot** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:21 pm

The burning question is why fire the lead assistants?? It should be obvious. These two are very loyal to Horny ... several articles indicate this. My guess is neither wanted the interim head coach spot ... really a no-win situation for either of them anyways. The Suns need an assistant who is willing to step up into the interim spot and that person will need to be able to continue with the same defense and offensive systems. Right now we are just waiting for the final hammer to fall on the final nail of Horny's coaching coffin. After three more losses (Cavs, Spurs, OKC) no doubt Horny will be replaced by either Corey Gaines or Nate Bjorkgren. Nate makes the most sense as he coached all of our young guys in the D-League and ran the same offense/defense.

Revived · Post #122 » by **Revived** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:47 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:Marcus isn't a good player either. He's a negative box plus minus guy across the board this year. He's also the biggest jackass I've ever seen don an NBA uniform. I'll take a 2nd rounder over Marcus every day of the week. I have never been more thrilled to get a guy off a roster. He makes Markieff look like Steve Nash in terms of being a good person and teammate.

Apparently he's changed his behavior (apart from his animosity vs Suns) under SVG

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chapman1051/status/680884347264757761[/tweet]

Various Pistons players have vouched for him and praised his presence and impact on their team this season as well.

bigfoot · Post #123 » by **bigfoot** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:57 pm

SF88 wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:Marcus isn't a good player either. He's a negative box plus minus guy across the board this year. He's also the biggest jackass I've ever seen don an NBA uniform. I'll take a 2nd rounder over Marcus every day of the week. I have never been more thrilled to get a guy off a roster. He makes Markieff look like Steve Nash in terms of being a good person and teammate.

Apparently he's changed his behavior (apart from his animosity vs Suns) under SVG

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chapman1051/status/680884347264757761[/tweet]

Various Pistons players have vouched for him and praised his presence and impact on their team this season as well.

He still has an assault trial looming. That victim just didn't bash his own face into the asphalt. If not involved physically the Morri at least gave the orders. Assault or conspiracy to commit assault ... I hope f*ck heads serve some time in Sheriff Joe's tent city.

StunnaStan · Post #124 » by **StunnaStan** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:14 pm

If i wanted to be a bandwagon fan, i would've picked a better team lol. The nuggets team i originally fell in love with has been a long time. They already traded my fav player melo and stuck with them. But then we hired a bad gm and hes brought in bum players while keeping and paying 2 constantly injured guys who arent too much better or worse than the morris twins (danilo and wilson chandler) and overpaying kenneth faried to be offensively inept. I live on the east coast so watching every nugget game meant staying up till 10-1030. Im not staying up till 1030 to watch darrell arthur chuck long ass shots. If i was a suns fan, i wouldnt be wasting my time to stay up and watch john leur try to get into rythem.

And the reason i finally decided to be a piston was because of the draft this year. You see, i have been wanting Denver to draft Stanley Johnson for 2 years and we had the chance with the 7th pick. Pistons had the 8th pick. Remind you, in 03 the nuggs got melo because the Pistons goofed and took darko millichic(wrong spelling). I was worried that denver would goof and make their draft selection based on what draftexpress said. They took mudiay only because draftexpress had him high and just like i originally predicted, dude is a turnover machine with no jumper. The reason the nuggs gave fans as to why they aint take sj because they said he couldn't shoot. That myth had since passed and im sure denver regrets their decision but im cool with mine

Im not a blind fan who follows a team because they were the 1st team i liked as a kid. If my wife cheats on me, she gets kicked too the curb. My team on some real bs, ****. Im surprised you guys arent pissed at the fact that you guys start to small point guards in the western conference by choice. Denver did that last year with foye and Lawson and my stress levels were at all time high. You guys arent beating the spurs warriors or anybody in a playoff series with brandon knight as your sg or with tucker as a starter. You'll probably end up with a draft pick between 11 and 14. You don't get franchise changing talent in that pick range. I hope yall aren't waiting on alex len to step it up. Even Detroit is in a similar situation as you guys. Difference is this is the teams 1st year but ive been saying that we aren't going to make noise with 2 6'8 stretch 4s who aren't automatic from downtown.

Im not hating on yall at all because ive been where yall are at in terms of what your expectations are and what not. Im just letting yall know that these last 3 drafts have been loaded with talent and this year is crazy loaded. You guys have id say 4 solid players to me. Bledsoe warren booker chandler. Warren should start at 2, chandler needs a real power foward next to him (LaMarcus would have been good but still other holes to be filled), devin booker i like his game just gotts keep developing. Everyone else is expendable

PhxSunsFan13 · Post #125 » by **PhxSunsFan13** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:57 pm

Suns suck, I'm an Arizona native and have been a Suns fan all 23 years of my life... but maybe I should become a Pistons fan too.

AtheJ415 · Post #126 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:59 pm

SF88 wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:Marcus isn't a good player either. He's a negative box plus minus guy across the board this year. He's also the biggest jackass I've ever seen don an NBA uniform. I'll take a 2nd rounder over Marcus every day of the week. I have never been more thrilled to get a guy off a roster. He makes Markieff look like Steve Nash in terms of being a good person and teammate.

Apparently he's changed his behavior (apart from his animosity vs Suns) under SVG

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chapman1051/status/680884347264757761[/tweet]

Various Pistons players have vouched for him and praised his presence and impact on their team this season as well.

Yes. Saw that. Doesn't change my feelings. Dude is a moron, and the second things start going bad in Detroit he'll begin to lash out at everyone else again. #FOE.

Saberestar · Post #127 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:08 pm

“Whatever, that’s the business,” Hornacek said following shootaround. “We’re going to try to get things changed around. We’re not quitting on anything, and we’re just going to continue to work and try to implement a couple of different things and see if we can get that going. Whatever happens after that, you can’t get concerned about that.”

Hornacek has tinkered with the starting lineup and in-game rotations for the better part of the last week, yet the results haven’t changed.

With point guard Eric Bledsoe sidelined indefinitely, the Suns are expected to start their fourth different lineup in as many games when they host LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers Monday night.

The decision to part with Hornacek’s top two assistants — and promote assistant coaches Nate Bjorkgren and Earl Watson to the front of the bench — could be looked at the Suns giving Hornacek one last shot at a season turnaround.

“It leaves all of us with an opportunity,” GM Ryan McDonough said. “Obviously sitting here today after 32 games I don’t think any of us expected to be 12-20, but if you asked us before the season if you are 12-20 where would you be in relation to the playoffs, we’d say we would be way out of it — we’ll have no chance. To sit here today and look at the standings, the middle and bottom of the Western Conference is really struggling. It’s not just us. Despite all our struggles and despite disappointing play lately, we’re two games out of the playoffs with 50 games to go which certainly isn’t insurmountable.

“Jeff has every opportunity and will continue to have every opportunity, as we all will, to work ourselves out of this hole and try to get back on the right track.”

http://arizonasports.com/story/501986/jeff-hornacek-spared-given-every-opportunity-to-right-suns/

Grots · Post #128 » by **Grots** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:17 pm

SVG calls @MookMorris2 one of the easiest guy to coach he's ever been around.

SVG is full of ****. He also said Marcus is a very mature person, right after he caught an assault charge and shouted out his former coach and is calling his former teammates soft and still posting dumb **** on Instagram about his former team. SVG is clearly managing Mook's dumb, fragile ego and it seems to be working. Just don't ever quote him about Mook as if he's actually being honest about his character.

Cutter · Post #129 » by **Cutter** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:36 pm

Grots wrote:
SVG calls @MookMorris2 one of the easiest guy to coach he's ever been around.

SVG is full of ****. He also said Marcus is a very mature person, right after he caught an assault charge and shouted out his former coach and is calling his former teammates soft and still posting dumb **** on Instagram about his former team. SVG is clearly managing Mook's dumb, fragile ego and it seems to be working. Just don't ever quote him about Mook as if he's actually being honest about his character.

Preach brother! Preach! :clap:

Post #130 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:41 pm

From the outside looking in, Harnacek appears to be getting "jobbed" by the GM. There are at least six really questionable personnel decisions that have been made by the F.O.

Post #131 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:51 pm

Grots wrote:
SVG calls @MookMorris2 one of the easiest guy to coach he's ever been around.

SVG is full of ****. He also said Marcus is a very mature person, right after he caught an assault charge and shouted out his former coach and is calling his former teammates soft and still posting dumb **** on Instagram about his former team. SVG is clearly managing Mook's dumb, fragile ego and it seems to be working. Just don't ever quote him about Mook as if he's actually being honest about his character.

Yes, SVG is just smart, and massaging the crybaby's ego. The minute Marcus steps out of line he will get the Dwight Howard treatment from SVG.

Damkac · Post #132 » by **Damkac** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:05 am

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=45480359#p45480359
:banghead:

bigfoot · Post #133 » by **bigfoot** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:24 am

The 2016-2017 Phoenix Suns Head Coach

Spoiler:

Post #134 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:28 am

bigfoot wrote:The 2016-2017 Phoenix Suns Head Coach

Spoiler:

Excuse me for not knowing faces better. But is that the coach in San Antonio or Sacramento?

bigfoot · Post #135 » by **bigfoot** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:33 am

bwgood77 wrote:
bigfoot wrote:The 2016-2017 Phoenix Suns Head Coach

Spoiler:

Excuse me for not knowing faces better. But is that the coach in San Antonio or Sacramento?

Spurs

Post #136 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jan 7, 2016 12:55 am

I think if he loses the next two, he gets fired on Saturday. Three day break before an upcoming 3 game trip. If he splits, maybe he still goes. If he loses an doesn't go, they must just want him to stay the rest of the season unless they want to give him a chance with an overturned roster or something or just think it is pointless at this point to go with an assistant, and since Sarver likes him, just let him expire and they can part their separate ways.

Son of Ra · Post #137 » by **Son of Ra** » Thu Jan 7, 2016 1:10 am

bwgood77 wrote:I think if he loses the next two, he gets fired on Saturday. Three day break before an upcoming 3 game trip. If he splits, maybe he still goes. If he loses an doesn't go, they must just want him to stay the rest of the season unless they want to give him a chance with an overturned roster or something or just think it is pointless at this point to go with an assistant, and since Sarver likes him, just let him expire and they can part their separate ways.

Yeah I'm slowly starting to believe that we have given up on the season, he won't get fired and he will become an 'innocent bistander' in the subsequent tank a la Byron Scott.

saintEscaton · Post #138 » by **saintEscaton** » Thu Jan 7, 2016 1:42 am

How is this nimrod still employed? Unbelievable. I refuse to watch another game until he gets axed

Post #139 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jan 7, 2016 3:12 am

Son of Ra wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I think if he loses the next two, he gets fired on Saturday. Three day break before an upcoming 3 game trip. If he splits, maybe he still goes. If he loses an doesn't go, they must just want him to stay the rest of the season unless they want to give him a chance with an overturned roster or something or just think it is pointless at this point to go with an assistant, and since Sarver likes him, just let him expire and they can part their separate ways.

Yeah I'm slowly starting to believe that we have given up on the season, he won't get fired and he will become an 'innocent bistander' in the subsequent tank a la Byron Scott.

I don't think they've given up and don't think they will before the all star break unless they lose like the next 7-8 of 10. But two more losses, I could see it with a three day break...but I kind of expected it right before or after the holidays, and it didn't happen, so who knows.

denial · Post #140 » by **denial** » Thu Jan 7, 2016 8:02 am

Depends what you mean we've given up on. If you mean the playoffs... I was kinda laughing to myself 3 weeks ago when (alot of) people on this board kept making references to "if we make he playoffs..." Or outright saying we would/should/might make the playoffs. People saying it now are just being way unrealistic. I appreciate the hope factor but we need to be honest here.

If you mean given up on our young talent, I think that would be a mistake. I think booker is a future star and a couple of other guys could develop value.

If you mean given up on the lottery, I think we might actually (finally) be so bad that we get good odds. But I am down for the all out tank if need be. Meaning play the young guys and bench the vets.

THERE IS ZERO POINT ZERO PERCENT CHANCE THE PHOENIX SUNS MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR.

We need, in order of importance:

1: A leader. Can be a coach or a player. Doesn't matter. Horny isn't. Bledsoe isn't. Knight isn't. All great guys. All decent at their jobs. None leaders.

2: An ability to move the ball and get good shots. I will let the professionals decide how that happens whether it's a pass first pg or a better stretch 4 or no two pg system or whatever.

3: Some professional respect from our front office. Right or wrong, I don't like their vibe and neither do many many nba players and scouts. Yes players are paid assets. But if my boss treats me like I am easily replacable (whether I am or not) and it is his way always or the highways, I'm sending out my resume.

Simple as that. Do that for 3 years straight and you're a contender or if nothing else not a laughingstock

Edit: Per the thread title, if you mean given up specifically on Horny, I think my need #1 above addresses that. If we got a alpha possible superstar leader type then Horny is fine. But if the coach is expected to be the primary leader of the team, Horny cant do that

Edit #2: I should qualify this post by admitting that I have only actually watched a hand full of Suns hames this year. Every time I sit down to watch a game, it is so non compelling (maybe boring is the word) that by halftime im usually on my laptop or completely left the room to go to something more entertaining, like staring at a wall.

Edit #3: I think this was really the key game when I knew Hornaceck wasn't commanding the team: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/dallas-mavericks-phoenix-suns-2015102821/