Tank Fest Update Around the League

[saintEscaton]

I would take Jaylen Brown. He is an outstanding athlete, great handler for his size ( 6'7 tall, 7 feet wingspan) and he is strong like a bull. Offensively he reminds me of Tyreke Evans, Stanley Johnson and even some Harden. He needs to improve his shooting and his overall defense, but he has huge potential.

Really good to have players like him in the modern NBA, he can switch a lot and he can defend in the future ( like Iguodala or Barnes on GSW ) three different positions out there.

Yeah I'm fine with either of the Cal guys as consolation prize if we miss out on the crown jewels arnd are picking outside the Top 3 . In fact I like Rabb more than Bender because he looks like more of a sure thing and isn't as boom or bust

TBH maybe boom or bust isn't such a bad thing in our case; I heard through the grapevine that next year's draft class projects to be very, very good. Taking a risk and getting a project that keeps us dwelling in the basement even worse for a bit longer could serve to our benefit. Either way, you just wanna get the best prospect, regardless of position or potential to bust.

I just don't see it with Bender maybe I should watch more tape which is hard to find because I'm no Euroleague scout. But he looks o me more like a Vesley than a Zingis even though he's playing against better competition at a younger age. He's probably tow years away from being two years away and bringing him over before 20191-2020 will require an expensive buyout because he's under contract for a while

[kennydorglas]

Of course Minny is getting stomped by the Lakers.
Good ol' Suns

[AtheJ415]

Yeah I'm fine with either of the Cal guys as consolation prize if we miss out on the crown jewels arnd are picking outside the Top 3 . In fact I like Rabb more than Bender because he looks like more of a sure thing and isn't as boom or bust

TBH maybe boom or bust isn't such a bad thing in our case; I heard through the grapevine that next year's draft class projects to be very, very good. Taking a risk and getting a project that keeps us dwelling in the basement even worse for a bit longer could serve to our benefit. Either way, you just wanna get the best prospect, regardless of position or potential to bust.

I just don't see it with Bender maybe I should watch more tape which is hard to find because I'm no Euroleague scout. But he looks o me more like a Vesley than a Zingis even though he's playing against better competition at a younger age. He's probably tow years away from being two years away and bringing him over before 20191-2020 will require an expensive buyout because he's under contract for a while

Well, he can shoot, and is insanely mobile for a big, so he's a good fit for our system. That said, no rookie is going to have such a big impact that they really cause us to win games. I mean, Booker is a monster and he can't win for us either. The NBA just doesn't work like that. Teams of 24 year olds or younger primarily don't win games. It's not until those guys are 26+ that they start to really win. Accordingly, we should just take the best guy available. If we have moved our vets and are rolling with some combo of Archie, Booker, Warren, Bogdan, Len, McRae, then we are prime tank candidates next year regardless, and I'm perfectly fine with that.

[saintEscaton]

TBH maybe boom or bust isn't such a bad thing in our case; I heard through the grapevine that next year's draft class projects to be very, very good. Taking a risk and getting a project that keeps us dwelling in the basement even worse for a bit longer could serve to our benefit. Either way, you just wanna get the best prospect, regardless of position or potential to bust.

I just don't see it with Bender maybe I should watch more tape which is hard to find because I'm no Euroleague scout. But he looks o me more like a Vesley than a Zingis even though he's playing against better competition at a younger age. He's probably tow years away from being two years away and bringing him over before 20191-2020 will require an expensive buyout because he's under contract for a while

Well, he can shoot, and is insanely mobile for a big, so he's a good fit for our system. That said, no rookie is going to have such a big impact that they really cause us to win games. I mean, Booker is a monster and he can't win for us either. The NBA just doesn't work like that. Teams of 24 year olds or younger primarily don't win games. It's not until those guys are 26+ that they start to really win. Accordingly, we should just take the best guy available. If we have moved our vets and are rolling with some combo of Archie, Booker, Warren, Bogdan, Len, McRae, then we are prime tank candidates next year regardless, and I'm perfectly fine with that.

2017 is STACKED. Harry Giles might even slip due to injury concerns

[kennydorglas]

TBH maybe boom or bust isn't such a bad thing in our case; I heard through the grapevine that next year's draft class projects to be very, very good. Taking a risk and getting a project that keeps us dwelling in the basement even worse for a bit longer could serve to our benefit. Either way, you just wanna get the best prospect, regardless of position or potential to bust.

I just don't see it with Bender maybe I should watch more tape which is hard to find because I'm no Euroleague scout. But he looks o me more like a Vesley than a Zingis even though he's playing against better competition at a younger age. He's probably tow years away from being two years away and bringing him over before 20191-2020 will require an expensive buyout because he's under contract for a while

Well, he can shoot, and is insanely mobile for a big, so he's a good fit for our system. That said, no rookie is going to have such a big impact that they really cause us to win games. I mean, Booker is a monster and he can't win for us either. The NBA just doesn't work like that. Teams of 24 year olds or younger primarily don't win games. It's not until those guys are 26+ that they start to really win. Accordingly, we should just take the best guy available. If we have moved our vets and are rolling with some combo of Archie, Booker, Warren, Bogdan, Len, McRae, then we are prime tank candidates next year regardless, and I'm perfectly fine with that.

Bender is a pretty good passer too.
The problem with him is his contract.
I dont know if i'd spend a top pick on him and then have to wait 2 years for him to came over.

[JMac1]

Minny up by one......aww chit

[JMac1]

I just don't see it with Bender maybe I should watch more tape which is hard to find because I'm no Euroleague scout. But he looks o me more like a Vesley than a Zingis even though he's playing against better competition at a younger age. He's probably tow years away from being two years away and bringing him over before 20191-2020 will require an expensive buyout because he's under contract for a while

Well, he can shoot, and is insanely mobile for a big, so he's a good fit for our system. That said, no rookie is going to have such a big impact that they really cause us to win games. I mean, Booker is a monster and he can't win for us either. The NBA just doesn't work like that. Teams of 24 year olds or younger primarily don't win games. It's not until those guys are 26+ that they start to really win. Accordingly, we should just take the best guy available. If we have moved our vets and are rolling with some combo of Archie, Booker, Warren, Bogdan, Len, McRae, then we are prime tank candidates next year regardless, and I'm perfectly fine with that.

Bender is a pretty good passer too.
The problem with him is his contract.
I dont know if i'd spend a top pick on him and then have to wait 2 years for him to came over.

Someone on GB said if he is a top 5 pick, he has an opt out clause.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Going to suck if Brooklyn or Minnesota win the lottery because they're even worse than us.

[AtheJ415]

Going to suck if Brooklyn or Minnesota win the lottery because they're even worse than us.

Minnesota I somewhat get because they're so young. When you're that young it's just tough to win in this league. Brooklyn is just absurd. I know the east is better this year but they have an advantage in the front court that should be winning them more games if used correctly. It's painful to watch both hoping they'll win lol.

[letsgosuns]

Brooklyn's play shocks me because the team does not even own their own 2016 draft pick. The Celtics get it. So it amazes me they have not tried to trade Joe Johnson's expiring contract for at least some players that could make them better immediately. Losing a lottery pick is one thing but losing a top five pick is something entirely different. That would suck so bad. Their former GM sure made a horrendous trade when he traded all those picks.

"On July 12, 2013, the Brooklyn Nets officially announced they had acquired Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry and D.J. White from the Boston Celtics in exchange for Gerald Wallace, Kris Humphries, MarShon Brooks, Keith Bogans and their unprotected first-round draft picks in 2014, 2016 and 2018."

Three unprotected first round picks. Unreal. And to think how many of us criticize McDonough for trading away that Lakers pick which has certain protections on it for a while.

[bhawk]

I'm coming to terms with the distinct possibility that this franchise doesn't want to tank for the next two months. Earl Watson may actually coach these guys to some wins, which is good... but bad for a top 3 pick. I'm on the tank train and do not want to make a run at the playoffs because it feels soooo unrealistic. So lets be good at being bad. That means losing...

Utah Feb 6
Nets Feb 25
Nuggets Mar 10
Twolves Mar 14
Lakers Mar 18
Lakers Mar 23
Kings Mar 25
Twolves Mar 28
Jazz Apr 3
Pels Apr 9
Kings Apr 11

2 against the Lakers, Wolves and Jazz. I can see how there is still optimism from McDonough. Our tank may not be as strong as we think. One loss at a time... come on top 3 pick!!

[JMac1]

Just because we don't get the top 2 picks doesn't mean we still can't get lucky.......Kwahi Leoanrd...Klay Thomspon....Jimmy Butler....Steph Curry.....Devin Booker......

Just draft smart. My two guys are Ingram and Brown, maybe we can trade up and get one. But what do I know about basketball, I wanted Frank Kaminsky and hated Devin Booker.

[jcsunsfan]

Brooklyn's play shocks me because the team does not even own their own 2016 draft pick. The Celtics get it. So it amazes me they have not tried to trade Joe Johnson's expiring contract for at least some players that could make them better immediately. Losing a lottery pick is one thing but losing a top five pick is something entirely different. That would suck so bad. Their former GM sure made a horrendous trade when he traded all those picks.

"On July 12, 2013, the Brooklyn Nets officially announced they had acquired Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry and D.J. White from the Boston Celtics in exchange for Gerald Wallace, Kris Humphries, MarShon Brooks, Keith Bogans and their unprotected first-round draft picks in 2014, 2016 and 2018."

Three unprotected first round picks. Unreal. And to think how many of us criticize McDonough for trading away that Lakers pick which has certain protections on it for a while.

Got to be one of the worst trades in NBA history. There are some common traits in bad trades.

1. Hubris. We can give up those unprotected picks because they will be at the end of the first round anyway.
2. Stretching. Desperate for a certain type of player, especially a big and so you trade productive smaller players for lesser bigs. Dennis Johnson for Rick Robey, Dan Majerle for Hot Rod Williams.
3. Over-valued vets. Team is jumping toward a ring and goes all in on vets that are beginning to decline. This trade is an example. But teams do it with free agents too. The Lakers with Karl Malone and Gary Payton. The Lakers also with Steve Nash. They often do this to try to lengthen a winning cycle, but they make the fall all the worse.

[Damkac]

Every time I think about Nets I just can't belive how bad their situation is. If Suns are depressing I can't even find a word to describe that team.

That's why I don't want McD fired. He made many mistakes but what if he is replaced with someone like Nets gm. With Sarver obsession of making the playoffs he would probably support trading lot of unprotected 1st for declining vets.

[ATTL]

Every time I think about Nets I just can't belive how bad their situation is. If Suns are depressing I can't even find a word to describe that team.

That's why I don't want McD fired. He made many mistakes but what if he is replaced with someone like Nets gm. With Sarver obsession of making the playoffs he would probably support trading lot of unprotected 1st for declining vets.

I'm hopeful sarver learned his lesson with trading picks and allows Ryan to do his job this coming draft.
The Nets owe picks to Boston 2016 and 2018 and the option for Boston to swap picks in 2017. That's most likely 3 top 5 picks for a season of pierce and Garnett. That would be unbearable if we did something similar.

[saintEscaton]

TWolves still hanging close with the Clips in the second quarter. Hope they don't let up and pull of the upset

[Mulhollanddrive]

Minnesota are always close and end up losing.

[bwgood77]

Minnesota are always close and end up losing.

Yeah, just looked at the box score and surprised it is that close because Towns is 0-5 with no points and not much else in other stats. Wiggins playing well according to the box though

[saintEscaton]

Wow Minny leading by 10 with the 3rd quarter winding down. Don't blow it

[AtheJ415]

Wow Minny leading by 10 with the 3rd quarter winding down. Don't blow it

Minny just sucks at a lot of the little things. That 3 at the end of the quarter was so unnecessary. Clippers just dribbling for 20 seconds and the off corner defender sunk in for no reason whatsoever. This shouldn't be a close game at this point.