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Trade Deadline Countdown....January 2016

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Post#121 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Jan 4, 2016 4:01 pm

asudevil wrote:Hornacek will be gone tomorrow.


I can only hope so, although I'm slightly torn because he is helping the tank more than anybody right now, although inexplicably not playing the youngsters. Even those who defend Hornacek--there are times when people who are good at their jobs deserve to be fired. I'm not one of those who thinks Hornacek is good. I think he can be successful if given a very particular type of lineup and team personality. I don't think he's a leader who can get the team to follow him and his personality, and his X's and O's have been a disaster this year. Meaning, to keep him long-term, we limit our acquisition possibilities via draft and FA to uber-responsible, mature, very professional players who need no managing whatsoever, and that puts us at a huge disadvantage because we can't get the best talent and turn them into those types like the Spurs and others can do.

But, if you do like him and think he's a great coach, what has he done this year to warrant keeping his job? He has this team playing at a college/D-League level, and we could have the worst roster in the NBA but it should never approach this point. What he's done with this team all year has been a disaster. Like nearing worst coaching job I've ever seen bad. And his solutions are not even tangible actions to help. He keeps saying, "we have to play with more pride." "We just aren't playing worth a darn." I mean, what casual fan couldn't identify that, and it's kind of his job to fix those issues, and they are getting worse.
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Post#122 » by Steve Nashidis » Mon Jan 4, 2016 4:03 pm

Ι think Κnight,Markieef,Tucker is a good package for a team which needs boost for his playoff spot.

New York, Houston Rockets , Wizards ( i like Beal,Bledsoe more than Bledsoe,Knight)
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Post#123 » by TASTIC » Mon Jan 4, 2016 4:05 pm

How's this:

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Suns land two expirings who they could probably waive or buy-out...or employ both in the tank brigade as both are known for being chuckers!

Clippers land a legit defensive back-up big and a potentially useful 2/3 in Weems.

Pelicans land (apparently) a good defensive C who can do what Asik hasn't done so far (apparently), as well as Lance.



...On second thought I think only the Suns would do this! Asik is absolutely terrible, a worse contract than Chandler!!
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Post#124 » by TASTIC » Mon Jan 4, 2016 4:13 pm

I think a deal could/will be done with the Clippers.

Something like Chandler + Tucker for Crawford (exp) + Lance. Much as I dislike Lance, he might take off given a bigger role.

Then ship Kieff + Goodwin out for TJones + KJMcD + Thornton (waive) + Dekker (filler).

Seriously I'm only keeping Knight because we need a PG to finish out the season - if Bledsoe was healthy I'd ship Knight out to Philly for a 1st and Landry.

Never know, while he's driving the tank he might LEARN that there's a better shot than a fade-away contested 20-footer with 12 secs on the clock and that when someone sets him a pick, they tend to ROLL expecting the ball. I like him cos he's a hard worker, but he's just not a starting 1 or 2. If he was 2-3 inches taller he'd be Bradley Beal, but he's not. Their stats are really close but flip-flop REB/AST around.

Start over with

Len
TJones
Warren
Booker
Bledsoe

As a base as well as all of our picks and loads of capspace and as always hope we land a big FA and an elite prospect.

If only it was this simple!
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Post#125 » by Qwigglez » Mon Jan 4, 2016 4:17 pm

Despite having a poor performance year I think Chandler still holds a lot of value for his veteran leadership. I don't think a GM would outright trade for him unless their core players advocate moving someone for Chandler. We won't get much back but at least we'll most likely land an expiring.
Here's another trade possibility...
Suns get-
Nene (expiring)
Jared Dudley (expiring)
Kris Humphries

Wizards get-
Tyson Chandler
Markieff Morris

I know the Wizards have Gortat but I'm sure the Polish Hammer wouldn't mind a quick breather every now and then. Plus, the Wizards lost their veteran leadership in Paul Pierce over the summer and I think Tyson can really help in that department. Kieff will fill in the gap at PF perfectly for Washington and this may be the kind of trade that pushes them over the gap so they can sneak into the playoffs.
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Post#126 » by Qwigglez » Mon Jan 4, 2016 4:22 pm

We can throw Brandon Knight/Kieff for IT/Amir Johnson and see if we can land some picks from Boston. I doubt they do a straight swap, but it's worth a try.
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Post#127 » by TASTIC » Mon Jan 4, 2016 4:36 pm

Qwigglez wrote:We can throw Brandon Knight/Kieff for IT/Amir Johnson and see if we can land some picks from Boston. I doubt they do a straight swap, but it's worth a try.

Thomas is better than Knight at half the price, can't see Ainge doing that...

Boston is definitely a team to talk to though - loads of picks and easy to match salaries.

Kieff would do well out there I think.

I'd take Jerebko + Sullinger for Kieff and hope Sullinger develops into a consistent 15-10 guy who can make threes. He's a tremendous rebounder but can't stay in shape/on the court it seems.

Amir is a good leader/vet, but he's $12m per and we've got Chandler - so unless he's unloaded Amir doesn't really make sense $$$ wise.
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Post#128 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Jan 4, 2016 4:42 pm

Steve Nashidis wrote:Ι think Κnight,Markieef,Tucker is a good package for a team which needs boost for his playoff spot.

New York, Houston Rockets , Wizards ( i like Beal,Bledsoe more than Bledsoe,Knight)



I am not sure a team would take all 3 guys. I think Markieff and Tucker could be one, but you just don't see 28 mil moved in a trade very often. It would probably have to be separate deals.

Knight actually has better advanced numbers than Beal. It's close though, and I personally prefer Beal, but given how our pick is looking, Booker's development, Bogdan coming over, and my desire to draft Dunn, I'd rather we get a forward if we're moving those guys than a guard.
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Post#129 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Jan 4, 2016 4:56 pm

I think realistically, there's no way to get good players for our mediocre guys. It also doesn't really fit what we need. Draft picks have more value to us in all likelihood than anything given where we are right now.

So for all the Tele, Tucker, Markieff, Chandler moves out there, we should be looking for expirings plus picks of any kind, or else fairly unproven young guys on rookie deals.

Accordingly, my dream trade deadline would be:

Kieff to Houston for Jones, KJ, Dekker or Jones, Brewer
If we get Brewer, move him to Philly with the Cavs 1st for TJ McConnell
Chandler to Boston for Lee and a late first or high 2nd (reverse protection)
Tucker and Tele either packaged to a contender for a late first or sold separately for 2 2nds.

Sign some D-leaguers to fill out the roster, and hope you get lucky and find a Whiteside. Oh, and with Chandler gone, we could always go after Whiteside this offseason.
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Post#130 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Jan 4, 2016 4:57 pm

And it's really a shame Brooklyn has no picks. They are a good trade partner for us, but Rondae isn't valuable enough to movesome of our bigger pieces, and with no picks, Brooklyn probably overvalues him anyways.
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Post#131 » by Puff » Mon Jan 4, 2016 5:49 pm

My opinion is that we should just close this thread until we get a new coach and he as some time with the current group including management.

Our problems are not going to be fixed without a team effort.
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Post#132 » by Barkley6 » Mon Jan 4, 2016 6:39 pm

Would you do it? Would Brooklyn? Open to modifications.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hjocqcn

Suns get:
Thad Young
RHJ

Nets Get:
Morris
Tucker
Goodwin
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Post#133 » by saintEscaton » Mon Jan 4, 2016 6:59 pm

Barkley6 wrote:Would you do it? Would Brooklyn? Open to modifications.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hjocqcn

Suns get:
Thad Young
RHJ

Nets Get:
Morris
Tucker
Goodwin


We would probably have to throw in Knight(although we might still need to retain his tank commanding services). Might have to take on some bad contracts/expirings (like Joe Jesus) to make the salaries match. Lets help the Nets improve their record to stick it to Ainge for taking them to the cleaners. Sure thats not a great return on investment but its a sunken cost now
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Post#134 » by RunDogGun » Mon Jan 4, 2016 7:14 pm

Sixers are waiving Wood, come on guys you know you want a 6-11 20 yr old.
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Post#135 » by saintEscaton » Mon Jan 4, 2016 7:25 pm

RunDogGun wrote:Sixers are waiving Wood, come on guys you know you want a 6-11 20 yr old.


He was my favorite sleeper prospect heading in to the draft. A legit first round talent who fell off the cliff because he got a bad rep as a immature head case. I wanted us to use the second rounder pick we traded for Leuer on him but now we can have both. Sixers just brought back Elton Brand to give them a veteran locker room presence :lol:
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Post#136 » by GetYourPHX » Mon Jan 4, 2016 7:40 pm

You want salary dumps? There is one obvious one available for the Suns.

Kieff and Chandler for Joe Johnson

Brooklyn gets humans who have contracts to play basketball and the Suns tank and hope they win the lottery and are somehow attractive to FAs this offseason.

I hate the trade but it might honestly be where we're at as a franchise.
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Post#137 » by saintEscaton » Mon Jan 4, 2016 8:05 pm

GetYourPHX wrote:You want salary dumps? There is one obvious one available for the Suns.

Kieff and Chandler for Joe Johnson

Brooklyn gets humans who have contracts to play basketball and the Suns tank and hope they win the lottery and are somehow attractive to FAs this offseason.

I hate the trade but it might honestly be where we're at as a franchise.


They might consider that but Johnson's albatross deal is coming off the books (25 mill base salary) and he is a UFA this Summer Whereas Chandler is signed through 2018 and is on the hook for another 39 mill in guaranteed money after this season. I think he is nearly unmovable and we would need to package assets to have any takers
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Post#138 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Jan 4, 2016 8:07 pm

saintEscaton wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Sixers are waiving Wood, come on guys you know you want a 6-11 20 yr old.


He was my favorite sleeper prospect heading in to the draft. A legit first round talent who fell off the cliff because he got a bad rep as a immature head case. I wanted us to use the second rounder pick we traded for Leuer on him but now we can have both. Sixers just brought back Elton Brand to give them a veteran locker room presence :lol:


Their players have been clamoring for vet locker room presences. We have some. They have a backup PG we could use. Let's make a deal.
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Post#139 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Mon Jan 4, 2016 8:21 pm

Am I the only one who thinks Chandler's contract still has value? Pretty sure most of the league regards the Suns as the reason Chandler's underperforming, not the other way around.
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Post#140 » by letsgosuns » Mon Jan 4, 2016 8:26 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:Am I the only one who thinks Chandler's contract still has value? Pretty sure most of the league regards the Suns as the reason Chandler's underperforming, not the other way around.


I think his contract has value too. This debacle of a season is not his fault. Look who he is playing with.

Knight- only cares about scoring and has poor passing and ball handling skills
Bledsoe- more willing passer than Knight but still turnover prone and plays with low energy too often
Rest of team- either young players or third stringers put into positions they have never done before

Chandler is extremely valuable on a real contender that is missing a defensive center.

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