Trade Deadline Countdown....What will we do? What should we do?

[Frank Lee]

BOOM. 13 players on the move.



Nets start over this season with three legit starters in Kanter, Knight and Lawson, two of whom are young and offensive and locked up long-term to pair with RHJ and Thad. I'd include a 2nd for them too.

Suns land the biggest expiring of all time in Joe J, who they either buy-out or waive so he can sign with a contender. Lopez and Payne are the key pieces here, though Terrence Jones is someone many of us want due to his ceiling. And then added in my boy KJM as filler.

Thunder rid themselves of that mental Kanter deal while solidifying their vet presence and allowing them to re-sign Adams once he's up. Tucker could almost start at SG for them and I think he'd take the minutes they give Waiters and he'd be perfect next to Morrow. I suspect they'd want something for Payne, I'd probably give them the CLE pick to be honest since that'll be 27-28 or thereabouts.

Rockets trim the fat so to speak and add the guy they wanted while subtracting the guy who doesn't fit (Lawson) and the one they don't want to pay (Jones). Price is banged up but basically gives them Beverley lite to run the second unit. I don't want Brewer, as you can see.

Now I know this monstrosity is completely unbelievable but the pieces involved have all been talked about in some form or another so for curiosity's sake I wanted to see if all the pieces 'fit'.

Suns finish the season with this pretty young team with an exciting young back-court, knocking down walls and driving over cars in their purple and orange tank:

Lopez / Len
Jones / Teletovic / Leuer
Warren / KJM
Booker / Goodwin
Payne / Brown

I'd sign Russ Smith from the D-League too, I really like that guy at PG.

Absolutely ridiculous.

I love it.

What is it...? a 6-7 hr time difference... hmmm... seems happy hour may have been involved with this.
cheers

[letsgosuns]

Here is a great outlook on traded 2016 first round picks and who owns what:

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/01/traded-2016-first-round-pick-exchange-scenarios-2.html

I think there are a couple of teams on that list that might be interested in Markieff and the Suns could get a pick back. The Celtics own the Mavericks pick top-7 protected and the Celtics might want Markieff. Also, the Bulls own the Kings pick top-10 protected and they might be interested in Markieff as well. That pick could potentially end up in the 11-14 range if the Kings do well the rest of the season or even be out of the lottery if the Kings make the playoffs.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Here is a great outlook on traded 2016 first round picks and who owns what:

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/01/traded-2016-first-round-pick-exchange-scenarios-2.html

I think there are a couple of teams on that list that might be interested in Markieff and the Suns could get a pick back. The Celtics own the Mavericks pick top-7 protected and the Celtics might want Markieff. Also, the Bulls own the Kings pick top-10 protected and they might be interested in Markieff as well. That pick could potentially end up in the 11-14 range if the Kings do well the rest of the season or even be out of the lottery if the Kings make the playoffs.

There's no way you could pry that pick out of my hands if I'm Chicago - especially not with Keef.

I have little doubt we'll get a first rounder for him, but I doubt it will be a very good one. Anything's possible if we're willing to move multiple players.

[letsgosuns]

Well Chicago is in win-now mode right now so I look at it like this. Is a player in the 11-20 range of the 2016 or 2017 draft more likely to help them win a championship this year or the next few years, or would Markieff help them more. Well obviously this year a rookie would not because the soonest they would get a rookie is for next season. And the East might be wide open this year. Cleveland does not look as dominant as last year. I know it is early in the season but still. And Markieff has historically destroyed Kevin Love.

Plus I think whichever team gets Markieff will be getting the player from last year. Not the guy that is mentally checked out on the Suns. And I think he would probably do really well in Chicago's system playing alongside Butler and Gasol.

[thamadkant]

Bulls are transitioning to become Butler's group. They want to integrate Portis, McDermott now to grow with Butler. He is only 25.

[Saberestar]

“It was a great deal for the Celtics,” McDonough said of the trade with his former Celtics boss, Danny Ainge.
“I understand why Isaiah did want to start and he’s making the most of it. In retrospect, maybe we could’ve got him to accept a bench role better or found a way to utilize him more creatively.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/01/15/phoenix-suns-trade-sent-isaiah-thomas-celtics-stardom/78849516/

Ainge owes us a good trade after that one.

[TeamTragic]

“It was a great deal for the Celtics,” McDonough said of the trade with his former Celtics boss, Danny Ainge.
“I understand why Isaiah did want to start and he’s making the most of it. In retrospect, maybe we could’ve got him to accept a bench role better or found a way to utilize him more creatively.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/01/15/phoenix-suns-trade-sent-isaiah-thomas-celtics-stardom/78849516/

Ainge owes us a good trade after that one.

Ainge definitely owes the SUNS a solid. I wish we could have kept Thomas but that would not have worked out. Choosing Knight over Thomas was a tough call.

[8on]

verrrrry interesting article about the Suns from Sean Deveney of the Sporting News:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba-news/4691398-phoenix-suns-markieff-morris-trade-eric-bledsoe-injury-devin-booker-brandon-knight?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

takeaways:

1. league exec: Morris is still viewed around the league as a "potentially valuable stretch-power forward"

2. same exec: Mirza Teletovic and P.J. Tucker have been discussed as trade targets

3. same exec: Suns are delaying discussions about those players until they know a playoff run can't be mounted

4. "When Ryan (McDonough) made the deal, it was a case where Isaiah was going to be a starter, asked to be a starter, but we have Eric Bledsoe,” Hornacek said. “It's probably pretty difficult to start a 5-7 and a 6-foot guy in the backcourt. We were trying to replace what Goran was giving us, and what Isaiah was giving us. Unfortunately, (this year) Eric got hurt and we weren't playing great prior to that, but Brandon is in that position now where he is the full-time point guard.”

5. “I have the ball in my hands a little bit more,” (Knight) said. “But like I have been saying continuously, I have been doing that my entire career. It’s a position I am used to playing, what I normally do. My role now is having the ball more than I have this season, but I have done it before.”

6. Deveney: falling back on a more standard offense might benefit the team

7. "It’s been another bad year for Phoenix, but around the league, this is still seen as a team whose record belies its potential."

8. ^ i'd have to agree with that. i don't mind going away from the 2 PG system. at the end of the day, we have Bled, Devin and T.J. maybe we delay the playoff run a little while longer, but all three of those guys have star potential (or in Bled's case, are stars already). as long as we have those three, there are things we can do.

[rsavaj]

Warren better @ 2pt FG%, 3pt FG%, FT%, Rebounds per 36, O Rebounds per 36, Less Turnovers, O-Rating, D-Rating, TS%, Win Shares.

Wiggins better @ points per 36 (+3 points), D Rebounds per 36 (+0.2), blocks per 36 (+0.3).

Wiggins may be a slightly better prospect because he has age on his side and his reputation has in built potential and expectation of no.1 pick, but take that away, and it is close and you could argue he's even not better than Warren.

I still only see Towns as a candidate for top 50 GOAT, which every championship team needs, so unless we had no.1 pick in 2015, we've done as well as possible despite conbuilding strategic failure.

I think this is a clear case of fans overvaluing their own players.

[TeamTragic]

verrrrry interesting article about the Suns from Sean Deveney of the Sporting News:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba-news/4691398-phoenix-suns-markieff-morris-trade-eric-bledsoe-injury-devin-booker-brandon-knight?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

takeaways:

1. league exec: Morris is still viewed around the league as a "potentially valuable stretch-power forward"

2. same exec: Mirza Teletovic and P.J. Tucker have been discussed as trade targets

3. same exec: Suns are delaying discussions about those players until they know a playoff run can't be mounted

4. "When Ryan (McDonough) made the deal, it was a case where Isaiah was going to be a starter, asked to be a starter, but we have Eric Bledsoe,” Hornacek said. “It's probably pretty difficult to start a 5-7 and a 6-foot guy in the backcourt. We were trying to replace what Goran was giving us, and what Isaiah was giving us. Unfortunately, (this year) Eric got hurt and we weren't playing great prior to that, but Brandon is in that position now where he is the full-time point guard.”

5. “I have the ball in my hands a little bit more,” (Knight) said. “But like I have been saying continuously, I have been doing that my entire career. It’s a position I am used to playing, what I normally do. My role now is having the ball more than I have this season, but I have done it before.”

6. Deveney: falling back on a more standard offense might benefit the team

7. "It’s been another bad year for Phoenix, but around the league, this is still seen as a team whose record belies its potential."

8. ^ i'd have to agree with that. i don't mind going away from the 2 PG system. at the end of the day, we have Bled, Devin and T.J. maybe we delay the playoff run a little while longer, but all three of those guys have star potential (or in Bled's case, are stars already). as long as we have those three, there are things we can do.

Again with the play-offs? WOW

[da6god]

Toronto gets: Morris + TJ Warren

Suns get: James Johnson, Patrick Patterson + 2016 First Round pick + Delon Wright

[JohnWall2]

No thanks to that trade

[alphagorilla]

Toronto gets: Morris + TJ Warren

Suns get: James Johnson, Patrick Patterson + 2016 First Round pick + Delon Wright

I had to take a shower after reading that

[Saberestar]

Toronto gets: Morris + TJ Warren

Suns get: James Johnson, Patrick Patterson + 2016 First Round pick + Delon Wright

[WeekapaugGroove]

verrrrry interesting article about the Suns from Sean Deveney of the Sporting News:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba-news/4691398-phoenix-suns-markieff-morris-trade-eric-bledsoe-injury-devin-booker-brandon-knight?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

takeaways:

1. league exec: Morris is still viewed around the league as a "potentially valuable stretch-power forward"

2. same exec: Mirza Teletovic and P.J. Tucker have been discussed as trade targets

3. same exec: Suns are delaying discussions about those players until they know a playoff run can't be mounted

4. "When Ryan (McDonough) made the deal, it was a case where Isaiah was going to be a starter, asked to be a starter, but we have Eric Bledsoe,” Hornacek said. “It's probably pretty difficult to start a 5-7 and a 6-foot guy in the backcourt. We were trying to replace what Goran was giving us, and what Isaiah was giving us. Unfortunately, (this year) Eric got hurt and we weren't playing great prior to that, but Brandon is in that position now where he is the full-time point guard.”

5. “I have the ball in my hands a little bit more,” (Knight) said. “But like I have been saying continuously, I have been doing that my entire career. It’s a position I am used to playing, what I normally do. My role now is having the ball more than I have this season, but I have done it before.”

6. Deveney: falling back on a more standard offense might benefit the team

7. "It’s been another bad year for Phoenix, but around the league, this is still seen as a team whose record belies its potential."

8. ^ i'd have to agree with that. i don't mind going away from the 2 PG system. at the end of the day, we have Bled, Devin and T.J. maybe we delay the playoff run a little while longer, but all three of those guys have star potential (or in Bled's case, are stars already). as long as we have those three, there are things we can do.

Again with the play-offs? WOW

Right dude?!?!? When I read that line I instantly thought of Jim moras epic rant: “Playoffs? Don’t talk about playoffs. You kiddin’ me? Playoffs?! I just hope we can win another game.”

[AtheJ415]

Warren better @ 2pt FG%, 3pt FG%, FT%, Rebounds per 36, O Rebounds per 36, Less Turnovers, O-Rating, D-Rating, TS%, Win Shares.

Wiggins better @ points per 36 (+3 points), D Rebounds per 36 (+0.2), blocks per 36 (+0.3).

Wiggins may be a slightly better prospect because he has age on his side and his reputation has in built potential and expectation of no.1 pick, but take that away, and it is close and you could argue he's even not better than Warren.

I still only see Towns as a candidate for top 50 GOAT, which every championship team needs, so unless we had no.1 pick in 2015, we've done as well as possible despite conbuilding strategic failure.

I think this is a clear case of fans overvaluing their own players.

Yeah, Wiggins has an athletic ceiling that very few players, including TJ, have. TJ is more skilled at shooting, and probably always will be, but Wiggins has a ceiling to be much better at everything else, especially defensively, because he has a huge athletic advantage. I like TJ, but no way is he comparable to Wiggins long-term.

[AtheJ415]

verrrrry interesting article about the Suns from Sean Deveney of the Sporting News:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba-news/4691398-phoenix-suns-markieff-morris-trade-eric-bledsoe-injury-devin-booker-brandon-knight?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

takeaways:

1. league exec: Morris is still viewed around the league as a "potentially valuable stretch-power forward"

2. same exec: Mirza Teletovic and P.J. Tucker have been discussed as trade targets

3. same exec: Suns are delaying discussions about those players until they know a playoff run can't be mounted

4. "When Ryan (McDonough) made the deal, it was a case where Isaiah was going to be a starter, asked to be a starter, but we have Eric Bledsoe,” Hornacek said. “It's probably pretty difficult to start a 5-7 and a 6-foot guy in the backcourt. We were trying to replace what Goran was giving us, and what Isaiah was giving us. Unfortunately, (this year) Eric got hurt and we weren't playing great prior to that, but Brandon is in that position now where he is the full-time point guard.”

5. “I have the ball in my hands a little bit more,” (Knight) said. “But like I have been saying continuously, I have been doing that my entire career. It’s a position I am used to playing, what I normally do. My role now is having the ball more than I have this season, but I have done it before.”

6. Deveney: falling back on a more standard offense might benefit the team

7. "It’s been another bad year for Phoenix, but around the league, this is still seen as a team whose record belies its potential."

8. ^ i'd have to agree with that. i don't mind going away from the 2 PG system. at the end of the day, we have Bled, Devin and T.J. maybe we delay the playoff run a little while longer, but all three of those guys have star potential (or in Bled's case, are stars already). as long as we have those three, there are things we can do.

Again with the play-offs? WOW

Right dude?!?!? When I read that line I instantly thought of Jim moras epic rant: “Playoffs? Don’t talk about playoffs. You kiddin’ me? Playoffs?! I just hope we can win another game.”

I agree, but with what they told the fans it makes sense. It's not like we really lose much by waiting a month. The deadline actually likely increases our guys' value except for maybe Kieff.

[RaisingArizona]

Toronto gets: Morris + TJ Warren

Suns get: James Johnson, Patrick Patterson + 2016 First Round pick + Delon Wright

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0QbXfvbjFk[/youtube]

[dremill24]

Why does everybody want to trade Brook Lopez here?

[AtheJ415]

verrrrry interesting article about the Suns from Sean Deveney of the Sporting News:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba-news/4691398-phoenix-suns-markieff-morris-trade-eric-bledsoe-injury-devin-booker-brandon-knight?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

takeaways:

1. league exec: Morris is still viewed around the league as a "potentially valuable stretch-power forward"

2. same exec: Mirza Teletovic and P.J. Tucker have been discussed as trade targets

3. same exec: Suns are delaying discussions about those players until they know a playoff run can't be mounted

4. "When Ryan (McDonough) made the deal, it was a case where Isaiah was going to be a starter, asked to be a starter, but we have Eric Bledsoe,” Hornacek said. “It's probably pretty difficult to start a 5-7 and a 6-foot guy in the backcourt. We were trying to replace what Goran was giving us, and what Isaiah was giving us. Unfortunately, (this year) Eric got hurt and we weren't playing great prior to that, but Brandon is in that position now where he is the full-time point guard.”

5. “I have the ball in my hands a little bit more,” (Knight) said. “But like I have been saying continuously, I have been doing that my entire career. It’s a position I am used to playing, what I normally do. My role now is having the ball more than I have this season, but I have done it before.”

6. Deveney: falling back on a more standard offense might benefit the team

7. "It’s been another bad year for Phoenix, but around the league, this is still seen as a team whose record belies its potential."

8. ^ i'd have to agree with that. i don't mind going away from the 2 PG system. at the end of the day, we have Bled, Devin and T.J. maybe we delay the playoff run a little while longer, but all three of those guys have star potential (or in Bled's case, are stars already). as long as we have those three, there are things we can do.

I'm glad to hear Tucker and Mirza are being requested. Getting picks or young guys for either would be huge imo.