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Post#121 » by Mr Puddles » Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:37 pm

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JMac1 wrote:Watching Duke right now, that Ingram kid is long and skinny, but very skilled. 1-2 picks are crucial this year. We ill be 3-5 before lottery, but if LAL wins a few more, we can make it into the top 2 pre-lottery.


Honestly, I'm just as intrigued by Bender at this point. Ceiling - a 7'0" Shawn Marion / Andrei Kirilenko type. Sign me up!

The problem with Bender is that in 2014 he signed a 7-year contract in Europe with an NBA opt-out clause after the 4th season. Whoever drafts him will have to wait 2 years for him to come over. I still like him as a prospect tho.


In a way that's good news as this may cause Bender to slide. McD has shown that he's Ok with being patient - drafting guys like Booker (youngest) , Len & Goodwin (raw), and Bogdan (under contract). If we have bad luck in the lottery, Bender may still be available at 6-7 because other teams don't want to wait two years for their number 1 pick to come over.
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Post#122 » by bigfoot » Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:08 pm

Every morning I wake up hoping to see Kieff traded ... disappointed yet again ... but happy with the team play against the Hawks.
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Post#123 » by BobbieL » Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:24 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/690936259355631616[/tweet]



They really need Kief. He's a much better matchup against teams like GS. I just wish they had more to offer us. If we can get a 3 way trade going that would be ideal imo. I like Love's game but don't see a 27 year old as the ideal move for our future.


The Cavs really do need Markieff. I think they could also use Knight for back court depth and consistency.

I am good with Love at 27 because I was good with Aldridge at 30 years of age. 27 is still fine for an NBA player in terms of age. Plus, Love would be the man in Phoenix.

Looking at those salaries - would the Cavs do something like Kieff and Knight for Love and Delledova. I would love to add Chandler to the mix and include JR Smith (has player option so could be used as an expiring this summer) and Mozgov (expiring.) Tucker and Teletovic have value to other teams

The more I see the Cavs against the really good teams - their roster balance stinks. I don't see them trading Tristan Thompsonl and have read rumblings about Love being on the outs-- so why not? Especially if LeBron wants Kieff. Now, I know Kieff would be a viable trade partner to the Cavs - just not sure Love would be coming back and the deal gets that big. But its obvious, the Cavs need more mid range scoring and backcourt depth. They do not match up against San Antonio, GSW or the Bulls. Chandler might help them too
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Post#124 » by Jarlaxle0204 » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:31 pm

I wonder if Boston would trade the Brooklyn pick for Love in a 3 way.
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Post#125 » by Gorilla Warfare » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:46 pm

I would trade Markieff for Isaiah Thomas, straight up.
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Post#126 » by rsavaj » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:05 pm

Knight/Kieff/Tucker/Telly for Love makes a lot of sense for both teams IMO. CLE loads up with rotation players that actually fit, we get an All-Star caliber player(if used properly).

Next year:

Bledsoe/Archie
Booker/Bogdan
Warren/?hopefully Simmons or Ingram
Love/Leuer
Len/Chandler
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Post#127 » by NavLDO » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:41 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Dont misunderstand my nostradamic viewpoint.... I really do not endorse any move at the moment... at least have not seen any that are realistic and beneficial. I will amend the most recent McD? to McDoNothingRightNowandFrankUnderstands....

Sorry JC.... but the carpenter doesn't get all the blame for this home. The architect has been violating the building codes with this 2 and 3 pg concept. Hopefully, with the emergence of theBOOKER, they both will be forced to follow a more conventional path.


Much better Mcdism, Frank. But really, Frank, McD is not pressured now to make any move, and neither is any other team. My point was really, there are about 9-10 games left (not 14 as I previously spoke, as I forgot to take the All-Star break into account) for each team before the Trade Deadline, right? And again, a team's fortunes can change a lot in that time. In the East, there are 8 teams with records within 2 games of each other. Why would a single one of those teams make a big trade at this point? Possibly, to break out of the logjam? Maybe, but what happens if you trade away your #2 PG for Kieff (as an example, only), then the next game, your #1 PG gets injured, out for the year? Then a GM is left scrambling to fix the situation, now with less assets to bargain with.

Does this make sense to anyone? Or am I off my rocker, here?

The way I see it, McD and Horny, secretly, have resigned themselves to a lost season, and are looking long-term. Keep Kieff until such time as a playoff contender comes calling on 17 Feb, asking, 'What do you want for Kieff'? McD is then in a much better bargaining position than he is now. Other GMs aren't stupid either, and are likely lowballing at this point, seeing if McD will bite based upon public pressure/locker room issues, etc. They will come back in 3 weeks with better offers--guaranteed.

I know you are not a McD fan, Frank, but look back in history over the past 20 years. Compare McD's moves to other GM's, and I think you'll find that McD has fared pretty well, overall. He's made mistakes, yes, but as I've clamored for over, and over, and over again. McD and Horny should be given more than 2.5 years to fix the mess left in their laps. I personally do not feel like waiting ANOTHER 3-4 years to break in ANOTHER GM and HC.

Finish the season, go through the draft/FA, take a healthy, non-Kieff-tainted roster into the '16-'17 season and give them until mid-season next year. If the Suns are not looking like contenders, then fine, fire them both, find new replacements in time for the new GM to wheel-n-deal before the trade deadline, and go from there. If I were Sarver, that is how I would look at it, ESPECIALLY since fans are excited about Booker; excited fans BUY tickets. And guess what, everybody, Booker is product of McD and Horny...

...so there's your ONE thing Horny has done right, Booker for 3, he developed a raw, 18 YO rookie into an almost overnight sensation. Prove me wrong, Booker for 3, because Booker has improved as the season as progressed, even as the team as imploded. He's also developed Goodwin into, at worst, a #2 Guard by age 21. Goodwin was **** as a rookie, and has been developed by Horny quite well, overall. I'm sure you'll try to sluff it off as not being proof enough, as you did with what Popovich said:
There are not too many of us who are that smart. I would say everybody was a little surprised awhile back because of so many new players and putting them together and a new coach and a new system. It takes time, but he’s done and they’ve done it more quickly than most.


He understands what it takes at the highest level to win, and he’ll demand it. He’ll be disciplined, and he’ll do it fairly and that engenders respect ... and you can tell they don’t disrespect him and they’re having fun playing.


...yeah, I'll take the opinion of a multi-COY winner over a whining, crying, fan all day, everyday. Unless, of course, you ARE Popovich, or another multi-COY winner in the NBA...no? That's what I thought, Mr. I'm-smarter-than-every-other-fan-on-this-forum...ooh, look, I can use emoticons as well! :noway: :crazy: :nonono: :banghead: :lol:
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Post#128 » by toucansma » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:08 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:Well, if people watched, trade value should have gone up considerably for some of our players tonight, and that makes us fans want to keep them, but including them in a deal for a big asset is more possible now.


Our fans shouldn't want to keep them. Don't fall for that Phoenix fans. It's 1 game. Our future is with the youngsters.



Exactly, trade high!
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Post#129 » by BobbieL » Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:17 pm

rsavaj wrote:Knight/Kieff/Tucker/Telly for Love makes a lot of sense for both teams IMO. CLE loads up with rotation players that actually fit, we get an All-Star caliber player(if used properly).

Next year:

Bledsoe/Archie
Booker/Bogdan
Warren/?hopefully Simmons or Ingram
Love/Leuer
Len/Chandler


from a dollar commitmtment: Love = Kieff + Knight

Tucker has a pretty good next year - only 2.5 guaranteed

Teletovic is a free agent

So, Kieff/Knight/Tucker/Teletovic for Love, JR Smith (JR basically cancels out Tucker)

If you could get Chandler in there for Mozgov - probably take out Tucker

But there is a logic, and just not Suns wanting Love - for the Cavaliers building a better roster for GSW, the Bulls and Spurs
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Post#130 » by Cutter » Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:27 pm

Jarlaxle0204 wrote:I wonder if Boston would trade the Brooklyn pick for Love in a 3 way.

Exactly what I was thinking. I have never been a Love fan. He is an awesome individual player, but I don't think he can take a team deep into the playoffs as a #1 or #2 option. However I do think there are teams out there like Boston who covet him.

Kieff and Knight to Cavs
Love to Boston
Delladova and Nets unprotected first from Boston to Suns

Suns get Delly to replace losing Knight, plus a potential top3 pick this year. Suns also move Kieff and unload Knight to open up playing time for Archie.

Cavs retool slightly to please the King as their new coach wants to strengthen the bench. Kieff is the ultimate bench player and helps the Cavs improve their bench.

Celtics get their boy Love.
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Post#131 » by BobbieL » Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:48 pm

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Jarlaxle0204 wrote:I wonder if Boston would trade the Brooklyn pick for Love in a 3 way.

Exactly what I was thinking. I have never been a Love fan. He is an awesome individual player, but I don't think he can take a team deep into the playoffs as a #1 or #2 option. However I do think there are teams out there like Boston who covet him.

Kieff and Knight to Cavs
Love to Boston
Delladova and Nets unprotected first from Boston to Suns

Suns get Delly to replace losing Knight, plus a potential top3 pick this year. Suns also move Kieff and unload Knight to open up playing time for Archie.

Cavs retool slightly to please the King as their new coach wants to strengthen the bench. Kieff is the ultimate bench player and helps the Cavs improve their bench.

Celtics get their boy Love.


I think I would do that if the Suns could send Chandler to Boston for David Lee.

So that would give Suns two picks in top 5

Granted, I would prefer Love over that pick - I know what I am getting with Love
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Post#132 » by rsavaj » Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:52 pm

ORL has some really nice pieces in Oladipo, Hezonja, Gordon....not sure what we could give up to get even one of them. I don't think they'd be interested in Knight, Archie, Kieff, Chandler, etc.
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Post#133 » by RunDogGun » Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:56 pm

bigfoot wrote:Every morning I wake up hoping to see Kieff traded ... disappointed yet again ... but happy with the team play against the Hawks.

I did like how Kieff was cheering on Goodwin after that game winner. Dude was standing and screaming for him. At least one positive for Morris?
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Post#134 » by Damkac » Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:01 pm

The fact that Kieff and Archie are close is not a positive for me :P
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Post#135 » by AtheJ415 » Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:44 pm

Cutter wrote:
Jarlaxle0204 wrote:I wonder if Boston would trade the Brooklyn pick for Love in a 3 way.

Exactly what I was thinking. I have never been a Love fan. He is an awesome individual player, but I don't think he can take a team deep into the playoffs as a #1 or #2 option. However I do think there are teams out there like Boston who covet him.

Kieff and Knight to Cavs
Love to Boston
Delladova and Nets unprotected first from Boston to Suns

Suns get Delly to replace losing Knight, plus a potential top3 pick this year. Suns also move Kieff and unload Knight to open up playing time for Archie.

Cavs retool slightly to please the King as their new coach wants to strengthen the bench. Kieff is the ultimate bench player and helps the Cavs improve their bench.

Celtics get their boy Love.


This makes sense to me. Although we'd probably want to include Price. If the Cavs are dumping Delladova, they'd probably want a similar annoying defender. We have no real use for him anyways.
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Post#136 » by RunDogGun » Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:21 pm

Damkac wrote:The fact that Kieff and Archie are close is not a positive for me :P

I agree, but him cheering on a game winner, while not playing a second in the game, is. I think he did the same when Mirza hit his game winner.
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Post#137 » by NTB » Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:38 pm

Markieff said million times that he likes his teammates. His issue is with management. There is no surprise in Markieff's cheering etc.
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Post#138 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:06 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:
Cutter wrote:
Jarlaxle0204 wrote:I wonder if Boston would trade the Brooklyn pick for Love in a 3 way.

Exactly what I was thinking. I have never been a Love fan. He is an awesome individual player, but I don't think he can take a team deep into the playoffs as a #1 or #2 option. However I do think there are teams out there like Boston who covet him.

Kieff and Knight to Cavs
Love to Boston
Delladova and Nets unprotected first from Boston to Suns

Suns get Delly to replace losing Knight, plus a potential top3 pick this year. Suns also move Kieff and unload Knight to open up playing time for Archie.

Cavs retool slightly to please the King as their new coach wants to strengthen the bench. Kieff is the ultimate bench player and helps the Cavs improve their bench.

Celtics get their boy Love.


This makes sense to me. Although we'd probably want to include Price. If the Cavs are dumping Delladova, they'd probably want a similar annoying defender. We have no real use for him anyways.


I like it but I don't think Boston does it because losing a chance at the top two picks could be really bad for them. Do you know if they can add protection to a pick they are owed, like top 2 protected when they relay the pick to us? I imagine they probably can, and if so, would you do it then? Then you still have a very good chance of hitting top two with our own pick and taking a guy like Bender, Dunn, Rabb or whoever else emerges in college this season.
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Post#139 » by Cutter » Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:44 pm

I think they could add protection to the pick. I am just trying to exploit Boston's desire for a big name player, and giving up a potential top3 pick is the price of doing business. It is doubtful any player other than Simmons will be better than Kevin Love, and Simmons being better is also doubtful. I mean, Kevin Love netted Andrew Wiggins for the T-wolves, so he might be worth a top3 in this draft. I, on the other hand, would roll the dice on this draft and believe that McD would identify the best player in the draft with the pick.

Not very likely to happen of course, but it's fun to think about while waiting for the Cardinals game to start.
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Post#140 » by AtheJ415 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:38 am

I think you guys are overrating picks a bit here. Boston has wanted Love for years. If their opinion has not changed on him, then he is worth that pick. In fact, it's pretty likely that the top pick of this draft ends up worse than Love. If Boston still wants to add younger guys, then I'd agree they'd rather have the pick, but there is no way they'd get the option of having both Love and the high pick by getting Love and protection on the pick. That's a beyond lopsided trade that only a team like Brooklyn or one run by Isiah Thomas would make. They're already getting the best player in the trade in Love. They can't get the 2nd best player also via the pick, while giving up so little.

If there's going to be protection on the pick, then Boston needs to be sending some additional picks or youngsters Phoenix's way, because it's literally the only asset involved in a trade for Love coming from their end.

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