Trade Deadline Countdown Pre-Febuary Deadline

[DRK]

Brooklyn have no picks for the next 2 years, so it would be suicidal for them to tank for their pick to go to Boston.

What about:

Knight, Weems

for

Joe Johnson's expiring, RHJ?

Develop RHJ into a small ball 4, in the Draymond Green/Marion Mould, and have JJ either tutor the young guys, or buy him out of his contract?

[King4Day]

While that Toronto offer wasn't bad for his current value, there's no point in dealing him now to simply get rid of him for no value. We're already having a terrible season. It pays to just allow time for him to rebuild his worth and give it a shot again in the offseason.

It looks like Watson has his ear. I don't expect anything big in return for him but we may be able to include him in a bigger package down the line. There's just no rush to trade him. He'll be here for 3½ more years at a really cheap price.

[BobbieL]

Dump Kieff for whatever you want
last night proved he is a LOOOSEEE-ER

he quit on his teammates
he dogged it - watch the first Detroit game. what a joke. he was trying to let Detroit win
simple as that.

I don't give a crap what you get for him but the rebuilding of the team starts with shipping that guy out of town and whatever you get for him - is whatever you get for him as long as the contract is not worse than his

[Frank Lee]

There is no point to swap anyone now. MoBro has been reborn. Mad love from Watson and dubbing him the #1 option will cool the chafe. With no TJ we stick with PJ. Adjustments will be made in the off season

Watson seems like a no BS players coach that has a touch of genuine concern for player development as people too. He has no ties here, other than thanks for the opportunity.

The big plan is in place. I find it curious that Watson has joined up with RPaul. So I'll crystal-ball this...

the leBron empire will come up short once again. Change will be needed. Watson has already been informed he has a place in Cleve if he wants. Paul is LeBron's conduit that bends around the tampering rules. Watson accepts the head coach job in Clevelend. Healthy Bledsoe comes back in June. He and Morris are traded for Love. Two more clients crawl under the Klutch umbrella. Sarver gets a big splashy signing to booster ticket sales. We miss out on Simmons.... take KDunn. D'Ant is offered a 3 yr deal, with Nash as his assistant to tutor Dunn and Goodwin (Yes, I said Goodwin)

Its one big damn Suns-Love-Fest in the valley. Maximum preseason Buzz achieved.

[JMac1]

Well, how much are we paying the guy that put up 32 11 and 6? How old is he again? Stop being so emotional and unforgiving, you guys act like women sometime. Lets see how this plays out. If Kieff continues to stud up, we can move him in the off-season, there is definitely no rush. Let us make a trade for the from guy last night, not the guy from last week; that may just have to wait past the trade deadline.

[Jdiddy701]

The problem, if Keef is not traded by deadline and team waits for offseason, I'm sure Keef will express his frustration which could cause more distraction. I really hope he understands that we are not giving him up for nothing.


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[BobbieL]

Well, how much are we paying the guy that put up 32 11 and 6? How old is he again? Stop being so emotional and unforgiving, you guys act like women sometime. Lets see how this plays out. If Kieff continues to stud up, we can move him in the off-season, there is definitely no rush. Let us make a trade for the from guy last night, not the guy from last week; that may just have to wait past the trade deadline.

I am not being emotional or unreasonable. I am going off what I saw this summer when he demanded a trade, than didn't show up to train with teammates and basically played like he didn't give a damn for 45 games

You are going off one game where he wanted to stick it to Hornacek.

Where was Keiff back in the game against Detroit the first week of the year? That is my memory of Markieff Morris. He was dogging it. Fouling every play, not hustling, can't even dunk a basketball. Last night was fools gold and if believes it wil lchange, they are mistaken. Markieff Morris showed his true colors the first 45 games of this season.

[NavLDO]

Spoiler:

I strongly felt it was the wrong trade to make and I know quite a few of us here do as well. Not so much because he's not a better fit next to Bledsoe but because of his style, overall fit with the team, his contract status, what we gave up in the trade for him and his potential. Everything considered, I think I was right to think it was a bad deal then. Sure he looked good early in the season and if anything that just made me think I was wrong about the trade but now that we are where we are, it just confirms what I felt about the trade in the beginning. I didn't think much of IT so I'm happy he's an all-star with the C's but I still don't think he's right for this team going forward.

Understood, and why I said 'many' or 'most', not 'all', when making my assertion. I'm sure there were quite a few fans that had a bad feeling about the trades, or thought Knight was 'over-hyped' when we traded for him. All I was saying was that nobody knew for sure that this is how things would workout, and honestly, knight has more 'good' games with Bledsoe, than 'poor' games with Bledsoe, so we still do not know for a fact, that Knight won't end up being a good fit.

But mostly, my point was that at he time IT was traded, roughly 75% of the fans were 'thank the heavens, IT is traded' and now? It's basically swung the other way around, where more fans are acting like we should've kept IT, vice trading him.

My point? This wasn't aimed at fans that didn't like it from the beginning, it's aimed at those that look back and say: "Yeah, I knew it was a mistake, we should have kept IT." Because that wasn't even CLOSE to the sentiment on these forums, and if we go back and look at the threads/posts from back then, you will see VERY few fans who thought keeping IT was the better move than trading him.

Nobody was given the choice of A B or C here. The **** all hit the fan at once.... and all three turds trades (Dragic,IT,Knight) were pinched off the same loaf. Doesn't diminish the fact that this all was caused by an inexperienced asset-mongering GM who had many here and industry wide scratching their heads....

only time distinguishes the idiot from the visionary.

I mark it as the point where the FO began their nosedive, and now we are dangerously close to auguring in.

OK, Mr. Visionary, and with this post, you are apparently a soothsayer as well:

and 1/4 of the board realizes we could have had Knight for the same $$ in free agency AND the pick.... while still trading IT.

It's about getting your facts straight, because as had already been mentioned, we wouldn't have been able to sign Knight due to Cap restrictions.

And tell me oh great, Madame CrystalBallReader, how terrible was that Dragic trade for us? Last I checked, Knight was every bit as productive per game than Dragic, yet we trade a top 5 protected pick for Knight, and are paying him $14M through age 27, yet we now have received an unprotected pick, and a top 7 protected pick, for a 28 YO, who is being paid $17M per through his age 32 season, with a stellar 12/5/46.8%/32% slash line as the MAN, just like he wanted. But I'm sure he would be a better fit here, since he would be surrounded by better talent...oh wait...no he wouldn't...

But you keep pretending that you are the visionary, Frank, and McD is an "inexperienced asset-mongering GM", because, well, he hasn't tried to go after top talent, but you, Frank, are a true 'visionary', because you can't see past this next draft, and would rather still have Dragic, IT, and Bledsoe back court. Yep, that's visionary, all right, let's keep things the way we were, since they were working out so great for us, and again, since Dragic is 'tearing it up' for the Heat as the sole PG, at $17M a clip at age 29.

I wonder, Frank, why is it always the poor trades that you happen to mention, and not the good ones, like, oh...say, Dragic for two 1st Rd picks, one of which is only protected for picks 1-7. Tell me Frank, how would keeping Dragic have been 'visionary' for us, vice two future 1st Rd picks. You always come back to say these picks are so far in the future that they don't matter but as a 'visionary', I would think that would be an excellent trade. And what if the LAL pick isn't realized until 2018 which is a possibility? How is that different than a top 7 2018 1st Rd pick PLUS another unprotected 1st Rd pick in 2021?

So please, get outta here with that 'visionary from an idiot' garbage, because you are no more a 'visionary' than any other fan here, including me. In fact, you are less so since you can't see past this next draft.

And one last thing. You want an 'inexperienced GM' fired, for what, another Brand New GM, that would be...um...inexperienced? Even if the new GM was a 'retread', he'd still be inexperienced with Sarver. But ooh, maybe we can get another GM that likes to sell our draft picks for cash, or picks the likes of Kendall Marshall, or Robin Lopez, then trade them away before they develop; that would be great! Especially, since McD's been such a horrible drafter, right!?!?

You are expecting McD to be perfect, and be able to see into the future. Well, guess what, he can't, but he's done more 'good' than 'harm', and that's all you can really hope for in a new GM. Yet you want to start all over AGAIN??? Like 3 years ago? Isn't it bad enough that we'll have to break in a new HC, but you want to break in a new GM as well?

And I'll say it again, when will you, and others, recognize that Sarver meddles entirely too much into things he shouldn't? You want to blame McD for all this, which is our season, but he was only a part of this disaster of a season. Injuries and Kieff are mostly to blame, along with Sarver who can't see past the next 5 minutes. If you think McD was behind this 'middle-of-the-night' firing of Hornacek, then, I don't know what to tell you.

[BobbieL]

Spoiler:

Understood, and why I said 'many' or 'most', not 'all', when making my assertion. I'm sure there were quite a few fans that had a bad feeling about the trades, or thought Knight was 'over-hyped' when we traded for him. All I was saying was that nobody knew for sure that this is how things would workout, and honestly, knight has more 'good' games with Bledsoe, than 'poor' games with Bledsoe, so we still do not know for a fact, that Knight won't end up being a good fit.

But mostly, my point was that at he time IT was traded, roughly 75% of the fans were 'thank the heavens, IT is traded' and now? It's basically swung the other way around, where more fans are acting like we should've kept IT, vice trading him.

My point? This wasn't aimed at fans that didn't like it from the beginning, it's aimed at those that look back and say: "Yeah, I knew it was a mistake, we should have kept IT." Because that wasn't even CLOSE to the sentiment on these forums, and if we go back and look at the threads/posts from back then, you will see VERY few fans who thought keeping IT was the better move than trading him.

Nobody was given the choice of A B or C here. The **** all hit the fan at once.... and all three turds trades (Dragic,IT,Knight) were pinched off the same loaf. Doesn't diminish the fact that this all was caused by an inexperienced asset-mongering GM who had many here and industry wide scratching their heads....

only time distinguishes the idiot from the visionary.

I mark it as the point where the FO began their nosedive, and now we are dangerously close to auguring in.

OK, Mr. Visionary, and with this post, you are apparently a soothsayer as well:

and 1/4 of the board realizes we could have had Knight for the same $$ in free agency AND the pick.... while still trading IT.

It's about getting your facts straight, because as had already been mentioned, we wouldn't have been able to sign Knight due to Cap restrictions.

And tell me oh great, Madame CrystalBallReader, how terrible was that Dragic trade for us? Last I checked, Knight was every bit as productive per game than Dragic, yet we trade a top 5 protected pick for Knight, and are paying him $14M through age 27, yet we now have received an unprotected pick, and a top 7 protected pick, for a 28 YO, who is being paid $17M per through his age 32 season, with a stellar 12/5/46.8%/32% slash line as the MAN, just like he wanted. But I'm sure he would be a better fit here, since he would be surrounded by better talent...oh wait...no he wouldn't...

But you keep pretending that you are the visionary, Frank, and McD is an "inexperienced asset-mongering GM", because, well, he hasn't tried to go after top talent, but you, Frank, are a true 'visionary', because you can't see past this next draft, and would rather still have Dragic, IT, and Bledsoe back court. Yep, that's visionary, all right, let's keep things the way we were, since they were working out so great for us, and again, since Dragic is 'tearing it up' for the Heat as the sole PG, at $17M a clip at age 29.

I wonder, Frank, why is it always the poor trades that you happen to mention, and not the good ones, like, oh...say, Dragic for two 1st Rd picks, one of which is only protected for picks 1-7. Tell me Frank, how would keeping Dragic have been 'visionary' for us, vice two future 1st Rd picks. You always come back to say these picks are so far in the future that they don't matter but as a 'visionary', I would think that would be an excellent trade. And what if the LAL pick isn't realized until 2018 which is a possibility? How is that different than a top 7 2018 1st Rd pick PLUS another unprotected 1st Rd pick in 2021?

So please, get outta here with that 'visionary from an idiot' garbage, because you are no more a 'visionary' than any other fan here, including me. In fact, you are less so since you can't see past this next draft.

And one last thing. You want an 'inexperienced GM' fired, for what, another Brand New GM, that would be...um...inexperienced? Even if the new GM was a 'retread', he'd still be inexperienced with Sarver. But ooh, maybe we can get another GM that likes to sell our draft picks for cash, or picks the likes of Kendall Marshall, or Robin Lopez, then trade them away before they develop; that would be great! Especially, since McD's been such a horrible drafter, right!?!?

You are expecting McD to be perfect, and be able to see into the future. Well, guess what, he can't, but he's done more 'good' than 'harm', and that's all you can really hope for in a new GM. Yet you want to start all over AGAIN??? Like 3 years ago? Isn't it bad enough that we'll have to break in a new HC, but you want to break in a new GM as well?

And I'll say it again, when will you, and others, recognize that Sarver meddles entirely too much into things he shouldn't? You want to blame McD for all this, which is our season, but he was only a part of this disaster of a season. Injuries and Kieff are mostly to blame, along with Sarver who can't see past the next 5 minutes. If you think McD was behind this 'middle-of-the-night' firing of Hornacek, then, I don't know what to tell you.

quoted for truth. rack him

its all about Sarver. he is the only constant the last ten years. other than aaron nelson. sarver is a meddlesome pain in the butt guy who owns a team so he can brag to his college buddies "hey, I own a basketball team." he is the problem. and when he realizes that he just needs to STFU and sign the GDamn checks - this team will be much much better. Markieff is on the team - would be my guess - because Sarver wants "fair value". Ryan - if he had full autonomy, would have shipped his butt weeks ago. Colangelo, same thing. I have read that Colangelo has offered advice to Sarver - but Sarver turns it down

He is probably the worst owner in the NBA -- after Sterling and Ted Stepien. All three start with S and that S stands for Sucks!!

[DRK]

People are saying he only played this well against TOR just to stick it to Horny? Good grief

How about maybe... I dont know, he played a brilliant game of basketball to help the team win?

In Kieff's situation, It would e pretty hard to have your own personalt agenda of "dogging it" for 4 months of the season when youre surrounded in a team environment 24/7, and your performance affects the whole team.

This whole Kieff fiasco might be just him having a bad start to the year. It doesnt help that our guards never pass the ball, which doesnt help the rhythm for a player trying to get going on offence..

[silverstyne]

Spoiler:

Understood, and why I said 'many' or 'most', not 'all', when making my assertion. I'm sure there were quite a few fans that had a bad feeling about the trades, or thought Knight was 'over-hyped' when we traded for him. All I was saying was that nobody knew for sure that this is how things would workout, and honestly, knight has more 'good' games with Bledsoe, than 'poor' games with Bledsoe, so we still do not know for a fact, that Knight won't end up being a good fit.

But mostly, my point was that at he time IT was traded, roughly 75% of the fans were 'thank the heavens, IT is traded' and now? It's basically swung the other way around, where more fans are acting like we should've kept IT, vice trading him.

My point? This wasn't aimed at fans that didn't like it from the beginning, it's aimed at those that look back and say: "Yeah, I knew it was a mistake, we should have kept IT." Because that wasn't even CLOSE to the sentiment on these forums, and if we go back and look at the threads/posts from back then, you will see VERY few fans who thought keeping IT was the better move than trading him.

Nobody was given the choice of A B or C here. The **** all hit the fan at once.... and all three turds trades (Dragic,IT,Knight) were pinched off the same loaf. Doesn't diminish the fact that this all was caused by an inexperienced asset-mongering GM who had many here and industry wide scratching their heads....

only time distinguishes the idiot from the visionary.

I mark it as the point where the FO began their nosedive, and now we are dangerously close to auguring in.

OK, Mr. Visionary, and with this post, you are apparently a soothsayer as well:

and 1/4 of the board realizes we could have had Knight for the same $$ in free agency AND the pick.... while still trading IT.

It's about getting your facts straight, because as had already been mentioned, we wouldn't have been able to sign Knight due to Cap restrictions.

And tell me oh great, Madame CrystalBallReader, how terrible was that Dragic trade for us? Last I checked, Knight was every bit as productive per game than Dragic, yet we trade a top 5 protected pick for Knight, and are paying him $14M through age 27, yet we now have received an unprotected pick, and a top 7 protected pick, for a 28 YO, who is being paid $17M per through his age 32 season, with a stellar 12/5/46.8%/32% slash line as the MAN, just like he wanted. But I'm sure he would be a better fit here, since he would be surrounded by better talent...oh wait...no he wouldn't...

But you keep pretending that you are the visionary, Frank, and McD is an "inexperienced asset-mongering GM", because, well, he hasn't tried to go after top talent, but you, Frank, are a true 'visionary', because you can't see past this next draft, and would rather still have Dragic, IT, and Bledsoe back court. Yep, that's visionary, all right, let's keep things the way we were, since they were working out so great for us, and again, since Dragic is 'tearing it up' for the Heat as the sole PG, at $17M a clip at age 29.

I wonder, Frank, why is it always the poor trades that you happen to mention, and not the good ones, like, oh...say, Dragic for two 1st Rd picks, one of which is only protected for picks 1-7. Tell me Frank, how would keeping Dragic have been 'visionary' for us, vice two future 1st Rd picks. You always come back to say these picks are so far in the future that they don't matter but as a 'visionary', I would think that would be an excellent trade. And what if the LAL pick isn't realized until 2018 which is a possibility? How is that different than a top 7 2018 1st Rd pick PLUS another unprotected 1st Rd pick in 2021?

So please, get outta here with that 'visionary from an idiot' garbage, because you are no more a 'visionary' than any other fan here, including me. In fact, you are less so since you can't see past this next draft.

And one last thing. You want an 'inexperienced GM' fired, for what, another Brand New GM, that would be...um...inexperienced? Even if the new GM was a 'retread', he'd still be inexperienced with Sarver. But ooh, maybe we can get another GM that likes to sell our draft picks for cash, or picks the likes of Kendall Marshall, or Robin Lopez, then trade them away before they develop; that would be great! Especially, since McD's been such a horrible drafter, right!?!?

You are expecting McD to be perfect, and be able to see into the future. Well, guess what, he can't, but he's done more 'good' than 'harm', and that's all you can really hope for in a new GM. Yet you want to start all over AGAIN??? Like 3 years ago? Isn't it bad enough that we'll have to break in a new HC, but you want to break in a new GM as well?

And I'll say it again, when will you, and others, recognize that Sarver meddles entirely too much into things he shouldn't? You want to blame McD for all this, which is our season, but he was only a part of this disaster of a season. Injuries and Kieff are mostly to blame, along with Sarver who can't see past the next 5 minutes. If you think McD was behind this 'middle-of-the-night' firing of Hornacek, then, I don't know what to tell you.

Have you ever thougt that Frank has very good valid points so get your blinders off and just look.at our team NOW.. its one big giant mess!

McD can have his individual trade or draft wins but it still doesnt hide the fact that he assembled ONE OF THE WORST SUNS TEAM IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!! If you cant still understand that, then i dont know what to say. And dont go blaming it on sarver or injuries. Every team deals with them and it was a conscious decision by our GM that he wants to BET on an oft-injured guard. So naturally we get an injured bledsoe half the time..

And you want to retain McD just because you want continuity? In what universe are you living where you retain poor performing employees? Employees which dont produce get shipped out just like Horny.

[BobbieL]

People are saying he only played this well against TOR just to stick it to Horny? Good grief

How about maybe... I dont know, he played a brilliant game of basketball to help the team win?

In Kieff's situation, It would e pretty hard to have your own personalt agenda of "dogging it" for 4 months of the season when youre surrounded in a team environment 24/7, and your performance affects the whole team.

This whole Kieff fiasco might be just him having a bad start to the year. It doesnt help that our guards never pass the ball, which doesnt help the rhythm for a player trying to get going on offence..

Believe you me - the Kieff from last night was the Kieff I had hoped would show up from Day 1 just to show the world that the Suns didn't need to sign Aldridge that a 26 year old player who got better every year could do some of what Aldridge did (Morris can be an 18/8 guy in this league). But from my impressions, Kieff chose to not do that. He has played poorly and his effort has been worse. I am not buying " Kieff is back" over one game. I am going by the first 45 games.

[jcsunsfan]

People are saying he only played this well against TOR just to stick it to Horny? Good grief

How about maybe... I dont know, he played a brilliant game of basketball to help the team win?

In Kieff's situation, It would e pretty hard to have your own personalt agenda of "dogging it" for 4 months of the season when youre surrounded in a team environment 24/7, and your performance affects the whole team.

This whole Kieff fiasco might be just him having a bad start to the year. It doesnt help that our guards never pass the ball, which doesnt help the rhythm for a player trying to get going on offence..

Believe you me - the Kieff from last night was the Kieff I had hoped would show up from Day 1 just to show the world that the Suns didn't need to sign Aldridge that a 26 year old player who got better every year could do some of what Aldridge did (Morris can be an 18/8 guy in this league). But from my impressions, Kieff chose to not do that. He has played poorly and his effort has been worse. I am not buying " Kieff is back" over one game. I am going by the first 45 games.

It may be that EW choosing to start and feature him last night has something to do with it as well. Horny chose to feature the guards. I am sure lack of effort was a big factor early, as well as a fit of depression over his brother being gone. But it might have been more than just the fact that he was dogging it.

I still want to trade him. But I want something good in return.

[dremill24]

People are saying he only played this well against TOR just to stick it to Horny? Good grief

How about maybe... I dont know, he played a brilliant game of basketball to help the team win?

In Kieff's situation, It would e pretty hard to have your own personalt agenda of "dogging it" for 4 months of the season when youre surrounded in a team environment 24/7, and your performance affects the whole team.

This whole Kieff fiasco might be just him having a bad start to the year. It doesnt help that our guards never pass the ball, which doesnt help the rhythm for a player trying to get going on offence..

If it walks like a duck..talks like a duck...his name might be Howard.

[BobbieL]

People are saying he only played this well against TOR just to stick it to Horny? Good grief

How about maybe... I dont know, he played a brilliant game of basketball to help the team win?

In Kieff's situation, It would e pretty hard to have your own personalt agenda of "dogging it" for 4 months of the season when youre surrounded in a team environment 24/7, and your performance affects the whole team.

This whole Kieff fiasco might be just him having a bad start to the year. It doesnt help that our guards never pass the ball, which doesnt help the rhythm for a player trying to get going on offence..

Believe you me - the Kieff from last night was the Kieff I had hoped would show up from Day 1 just to show the world that the Suns didn't need to sign Aldridge that a 26 year old player who got better every year could do some of what Aldridge did (Morris can be an 18/8 guy in this league). But from my impressions, Kieff chose to not do that. He has played poorly and his effort has been worse. I am not buying " Kieff is back" over one game. I am going by the first 45 games.

It may be that EW choosing to start and feature him last night has something to do with it as well. Horny chose to feature the guards. I am sure lack of effort was a big factor early, as well as a fit of depression over his brother being gone. But it might have been more than just the fact that he was dogging it.

I still want to trade him. But I want something good in return.

I get the part about not being featured in the offense - but he did nothing to earn the right to be featured this season I could tell. And I really thought that pairing him with Chandler was going to be good for his season. I don't blame Hornacek for not making him more integral if the effort wasn't there.

I want good value to but more than anything - I want him off the roster

[bwgood77]

I got a weird feeling were not gonna trade Kieff at the deadline.

I never thought they would unless they get an offer they like, but I would be very surprised if we started next season with him. Can't make that mistake again.

[bwgood77]

quoted for truth. rack him

its all about Sarver. he is the only constant the last ten years. other than aaron nelson. sarver is a meddlesome pain in the butt guy who owns a team so he can brag to his college buddies "hey, I own a basketball team." he is the problem. and when he realizes that he just needs to STFU and sign the GDamn checks - this team will be much much better. Markieff is on the team - would be my guess - because Sarver wants "fair value". Ryan - if he had full autonomy, would have shipped his butt weeks ago. Colangelo, same thing. I have read that Colangelo has offered advice to Sarver - but Sarver turns it down

He is probably the worst owner in the NBA -- after Sterling and Ted Stepien. All three start with S and that S stands for Sucks!!

I agree with a lot of what you guys say, but as for trading Markieff, I believe Sarver would have wanted to trade him weeks or months ago, but McD has persuaded him we need to hold onto him for more value. I do think Sarver meddles too much, though, but I would argue against trading Markieff for little value, especially now. This all created a bad team chemistry and coaching situation (along with the lame duck status) but that is all done. No coaches would have done well under the circumstances with this team this year.

[Donald_Trade]

Speaking of Booker, I had another idea to get him before:

Patterson and 2016 LAL 1st via PHI to PHX
Markieff and Covington to TOR
Wright, Booker, and 2017 TOR 1st to PHI

Phoenix is not trading Devin Booker and Markieff Morris for a pick that is best case #4 in 2016 or worst case #20 in 2017. Your estimation of what it would take for Phoenix to consider trading Devin Booker is far far off.

I think you massively overrate Booker. He's a good young piece, sure... but I posted that on the T&T board and PHX fans were good with it. Also if you're assigning positive value to Kieff, you're wrong about that. He's clearly a negative at this point. PHX gets addition by subtraction without question, and Patterson adds pretty much what Kieff does but cheaper.

Speechless.

Not only does this Philly fan think this is a good trade for Phoenix he thinks Suns fans are good with it.

In his other proposals he suggests we would trade Booker, Waren and out unprotected pick for Okafor.

[LukasBMW]

There is no point to swap anyone now. MoBro has been reborn. Mad love from Watson and dubbing him the #1 option will cool the chafe. With no TJ we stick with PJ. Adjustments will be made in the off season

Watson seems like a no BS players coach that has a touch of genuine concern for player development as people too. He has no ties here, other than thanks for the opportunity.

The big plan is in place. I find it curious that Watson has joined up with RPaul. So I'll crystal-ball this...

the leBron empire will come up short once again. Change will be needed. Watson has already been informed he has a place in Cleve if he wants. Paul is LeBron's conduit that bends around the tampering rules. Watson accepts the head coach job in Clevelend. Healthy Bledsoe comes back in June. He and Morris are traded for Love. Two more clients crawl under the Klutch umbrella. Sarver gets a big splashy signing to booster ticket sales. We miss out on Simmons.... take KDunn. D'Ant is offered a 3 yr deal, with Nash as his assistant to tutor Dunn and Goodwin (Yes, I said Goodwin)

Its one big damn Suns-Love-Fest in the valley. Maximum preseason Buzz achieved.

Just checked this thread and realized you had already posted essentially the same thing I just did in the Toronto thread. Great and cynical minds think alike.

[bwgood77]

Have you ever thougt that Frank has very good valid points so get your blinders off and just look.at our team NOW.. its one big giant mess!

McD can have his individual trade or draft wins but it still doesnt hide the fact that he assembled ONE OF THE WORST SUNS TEAM IN FRANCHISE HISTORY!!! If you cant still understand that, then i dont know what to say. And dont go blaming it on sarver or injuries. Every team deals with them and it was a conscious decision by our GM that he wants to BET on an oft-injured guard. So naturally we get an injured bledsoe half the time..

And you want to retain McD just because you want continuity? In what universe are you living where you retain poor performing employees? Employees which dont produce get shipped out just like Horny.

I think most everyone makes some solid points and fault and blame lies everywhere. McD did assemble a mess of a team. The Dragic trade was good, but it was undoing a mess he made. The IT trade was ok, because we just used extra cap space to get a draft pick, but the situations created a toxic atmosphere and stripping the team of four pieces (3 guards and a center) for a guard that got subsequently injured along with a slew of frontcourt injuries left the chances of success after the trade deadline. Of course this season it got even worse with Markieff and more injuries, but the primary problem is some combo of McD and Sarver.

But at least we've gotten an interim captain of the Titanic in place.