Preseason Game 2 - Utah Jazz at Phoenix Suns

[bwgood77]

Watson said Knight could become one of the greatest sixth men to ever play. How is that possible when he is not even one of the best players on his own team? He seriously is the worst ball handling point guard I have ever seen. His iq is non-existant. He constantly dribbles the ball away and/or falls down. He has 17 points but he has taken 17 shots. He has 2 assists and 2 turnovers. I would rather Dudley or Tucker bring the ball up the court instead of him. There is absolutely no reason to keep Knight.

And Booker shooting an even worse percentage. We just need better players don't we?

[kennydorglas]

What a bad PNR defense. Damn.

[babyjax13]

Really impressed with Bender and Warren for you guys. Ball movement looks really good at times too.

[grumpysaddle]

Rather run with Ulis at the backup PG than Knight. Hoping for a Knight trade sooner rather than later

[darealjuice]

Ulis isn't physically ready to play significant minutes in the NBA. He looked good against Utah's 3rd stringers and played tough defense all night, but Hill physically abused him, and every time he was caught on a switch he was the target. They literally ran a baseline inbounds play where they just had Hill post up Ulis in front the basket and threw a lob for a layup. I like the kid a lot, don't get me wrong, but he's going to need time to adapt to the physicality.

[letsgosuns]

Watson said Knight could become one of the greatest sixth men to ever play. How is that possible when he is not even one of the best players on his own team? He seriously is the worst ball handling point guard I have ever seen. His iq is non-existant. He constantly dribbles the ball away and/or falls down. He has 17 points but he has taken 17 shots. He has 2 assists and 2 turnovers. I would rather Dudley or Tucker bring the ball up the court instead of him. There is absolutely no reason to keep Knight.

And Booker shooting an even worse percentage. We just need better players don't we?

There is no point in responding to this but I am going to because you probably think I just read the box score instead of watching the game and I watched the whole game. Anybody that understands basketball. Anybody that knows what it takes to win. Anybody that saw what Knight did tonight can see that Knight is pathetic. The guy flat out does not get it. He is completely out of control. He makes terrible plays. Even when he scores he is out of control. He does one thing well and that is make open shots. He is literally the complete opposite of a guy like Steve Nash when it comes to his approach. Nash with his unbelievable ball handling, court vision, and consistent shooting. Knight with is awful ball handling, tunnel vision, and inconsistent shooting. I am so tired of watching him play. It is like a circus act. Get rid of him already and let Ulis play backup point guard.

[darealjuice]

I thought Knight actually looked good in the first half, but he tanked in the second half. I really don't think you guys know what you're asking for by playing Ulis as the backup though.

[lilfishi22]

Does losing by 5 hide the fact that we played much worse than the -5 shows? I haven't watched the game

[letsgosuns]

I thought Knight actually looked good in the first half, but he tanked in the second half. I really don't think you guys know what you're asking for by playing Ulis as the backup though.

That is exactly what I thought. Knight was good in the first half and really bad in the second half. That is Knight for you. That is why I am so critical of him because he is totally unreliable and plays so stupidly. As far as Ulis goes, I do not think it is a big deal if he goes through growing pains in the league. The Suns are probably not trying to win the championship this year. Now is the perfect time to let him play and see what he has. We already know what Knight has and he does not have what it takes so the team has nothing to lose with Ulis.

[ATTL]

Ulis wasn't looking great until garbage time. Knight has a role on this team and can be a solid contributor moving forward.

[darealjuice]

I really think this is the year TJ breaks out for us. He's going to get his shot at the starting role with PJ out, and I think if he plays as intense of defense as he did tonight night-in-night-out, he's going to run away with it. He's just so much better than Tucker on the offensive end, and I honestly think PJ is an overrated defender to begin with, but if TJ can at least hold his own on the defensive end like he was with Hayward tonight, then he deserves to be the starter all year.

[bwgood77]

I really think this is the year TJ breaks out for us. He's going to get his shot at the starting role with PJ out, and I think if he plays as intense of defense as he did tonight night-in-night-out, he's going to run away with it. He's just so much better than Tucker on the offensive end, and I honestly think PJ is an overrated defender to begin with, but if TJ can at least hold his own on the defensive end like he was with Hayward tonight, then he deserves to be the starter all year.

I'm not a big Tucker fan and I think he should be traded this year but he is probably our biggest hustle guy right now when it comes to leaving all is effort out there and giving it all. I think he can be a good example of effort and will be a cheerleader on the bench. I wouldn't mind even keeping him as a bench/practice guy to plug in if we have injuries. I think Dudley will provide what he does, but on the second unit I think he would be good on the floor with the young guys just because of the effort. I don't think he is a good guy to have on a contender unless surrounded by stars and he can provide some little things like diving for balls and providing adequate defense. I don't think he is a great defender but we lack great or even very good defenders.

[Jdiddy701]

About a month ago, I heard Archie Goodwin was not happy here and wants to be traded to Atlanta. Why there? I have no idea. I feel bad for the guy.. there's no room on the roster for him.


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[letsgosuns]

About a month ago, I heard Archie Goodwin was not happy here and wants to be traded to Atlanta. Why there? I have no idea. I feel bad for the guy.. there's no room on the roster for him.


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I am not surprised to hear that Goodwin is unhappy in Phoenix. It is his fourth year in the league and he has barely played. He is not even playing much in preseason. The Suns should trade him to a team that would at least play him so he can have a chance to become a player. My guess is that he will be traded at some point. Even Jenkins had more playing time than him tonight.

[Jdiddy701]

He just hasn't improved one bit. He's good at one thing and that's attacking. His jumpshot is terrible and flat. He feels he's better than what he really is.

I've said the same thing about Alex Len. There's not much improvement in his game since he entered the league. I cringe every time he gets the ball in post. The Suns do need to extend him but I hope they don't overpay. Don't see him ever being a starter in the league. He's a good back up center though.


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[letsgosuns]

Idk if this has been mentioned yet but I am not liking what I am seeing from Len so far. He looks terrible. Gobert had 21 and 10 with 3 blocks while Len had 4 and 5 with 1 block. They played almost the exact same number of minutes. Len was also bad in the first game too against guys I had never heard of. He looks like he has not improved at all. He was a better defender in his second season than he is now. If he does not turn it around this season, the Suns will have to seriously think about other options at center long term. I hate to say it because I really want Len to be the guy and I do not want to give up on him, but Noel and Okafor look awfully appealing right now.

[Kerrsed]

Archie is Garbage. He is a me 1st player. All he knows how to do is attack the rim drawing contact and forcing the ball towards the rim. A dime a dozen player. No bball IQ, no court vision, no teamwork, just me me me me me. He will DOMINATE the 3rd biggest league in China next season.

[lilfishi22]

He just hasn't improved one bit. He's good at one thing and that's attacking. His jumpshot is terrible and flat. He feels he's better than what he really is.

I've said the same thing about Alex Len. There's not much improvement in his game since he entered the league. I cringe every time he gets the ball in post. The Suns do need to extend him but I hope they don't overpay. Don't see him ever being a starter in the league. He's a good back up center though.


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No one can be surprised because Archie just hasn't been able to get off the bench. After 3 full seasons, he's still only good at one thing. It's a shame with Len also because he has all the tools in the world to be a legit starter in the league but inconsistency and a seemingly complete lack of a post game hurts his chances at more development minutes on the floor. We certainly need to extend him but I'm kind of afraid to know what kind of deal we'd give him.

[LukasBMW]

Missed the game. If anyone has a replay stream, please PM me.

[NTB]

Missed the game. If anyone has a replay stream, please PM me.

Me too