Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion

[TeamTragic]

Just wanted to thank everyone that isn't losing their minds. Come the trade deadline I expect many deals. LBJ not very happy with the Cavaliers FO

[BobbieL]

Just wanted to thank everyone that isn't losing their minds. Come the trade deadline I expect many deals. LBJ not very happy with the Cavaliers FO

Other than it being more "fun" to make a trade - meaning a big blockbuster - the reality is- the Suns were very smart this offseason. I am sure they tried to trade Knight but were not going to give away too many assets to move him - maybe the Heat pick was in play but that's about it. I mean, would Blake Griffin have been a good fit - yes, possibly. But not a playoff maker with the way the teams in the West are. Millsap - I think too old for the dollars. So end of the day, I think smart to lay low, look for the RIGHT trades and if they don't happen, don't do something stupid

Suns right now are 7m under the cap with Len holding us about 12m - if Len signs the QO - Suns will have 15m of cap space

So, no need to do anything now - possibly if Rose wants to go to Milwaukee and they want to stay under the Lux Tax, I can see the Suns, or another team, taking Teletovic with a 1st or Hawes with a 2nd (as much as I think we all would love to take the Hawes expiring for a 1st, my guess, would need to take Teletovic for a 1st -if it ever comes to that). but that's it until the deadline

I guess if LeBron gets a bee in his bonnet and REALLY pushes for Melo - the Suns might get involved - but again, the Knicks have to like what they want back. And the Suns want them to have KNight and the Knicks want Bledsoe. Hard to make a deal.

I still think my deal if the Knicks wanted expirings, but having to take Knight and the Bucks wanted Rose/Chandler made sense - but that's just me

[jredsaz]

I don't see the point in trading knight. All the good FAs are off the market only rotational players left. Suns are not killing for cap space and knight is at a all time low for value.

He's considered negative value no point in trading him. He has shown flashes in Det,Mil barely PHX:

I hate his bad play as anyone else but at least let his value go up.

Again, he's consider by fans to be "negative value", but there are probably more than a few GMs who would love to take Knight, let him average 20ppg and seem like a genius for "reviving" Brandon Knight, even though he's the player he always was and always will be.

His per36 numbers last year were pretty much in line with most of his career numbers, with a drop in shooting percentages.

I would like to think this, I really would, but it is not true. NY wanted a first to take Knight. I think the only solution right now is sit down and have a come to Jesus conversation with him and play him as our third guard through December. Ulis and Reed aren't going anywhere anyway.

Where was the Knicks asking for a 1st for Knight reported? I must have missed that.

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[BobbieL]

Again, he's consider by fans to be "negative value", but there are probably more than a few GMs who would love to take Knight, let him average 20ppg and seem like a genius for "reviving" Brandon Knight, even though he's the player he always was and always will be.

His per36 numbers last year were pretty much in line with most of his career numbers, with a drop in shooting percentages.

I would like to think this, I really would, but it is not true. NY wanted a first to take Knight. I think the only solution right now is sit down and have a come to Jesus conversation with him and play him as our third guard through December. Ulis and Reed aren't going anywhere anyway.

Where was the Knicks asking for a 1st for Knight reported? I must have missed that.

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I think its just a lot of speculation that the Knicks wanted a first for Knight

Now, if the Bucks do indeed say sign Rose and need to cut salary and the Suns take on Teletovic and Milwaukee's first - I would be open to moving that pick with Knight - so a three team deal

Bucks: get cap space, save luxury dollars
Knicks get Knight and the Milwaukee pick
Suns: save 26m of cash, Teletovic off so clean in 19

[AtheJ415]

I would like to think this, I really would, but it is not true. NY wanted a first to take Knight. I think the only solution right now is sit down and have a come to Jesus conversation with him and play him as our third guard through December. Ulis and Reed aren't going anywhere anyway.

Where was the Knicks asking for a 1st for Knight reported? I must have missed that.

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I think its just a lot of speculation that the Knicks wanted a first for Knight

Now, if the Bucks do indeed say sign Rose and need to cut salary and the Suns take on Teletovic and Milwaukee's first - I would be open to moving that pick with Knight - so a three team deal

Bucks: get cap space, save luxury dollars
Knicks get Knight and the Milwaukee pick
Suns: save 26m of cash, Teletovic off so clean in 19

Why would we do this? We don't really save $26 million in cash since we would need Knight to get to the salary floor, and unless you are rooting for the owner's ROI, you should rather have the first from Milwaukee.

We don't owe Knight anything. The best thing for this franchise to do is keep its picks. Trading a pick to dump Knight when there is not already a free agent who actually moves the needle waiting for that cap space is just stupid.

We shouldn't be attaching picks until we are at the point where he MUST be moved. We are not at that point. There is no FA or other trade that we are missing out on because of Knight's presence on this team. Next offseason or the one after, if there is a game-changing FA who tells us he wants to come here and we don't have the cap space, or a star that is on the trade market that wants to be in PHX, that is the time to start throwing first rounders into the mix.

For the future of this team, I would much rather have Chimezi Metu or a talent of that caliber, which is likely what Milwaukee's pick would be. Our entire offseason and draft has been built around a long-term outlook. Dumping Knight while attaching picks flies in the face of that. We should be waiting until another bad contract shows up that is better for this team (maybe Okafor, for instance), or until there are fewer years left and Knight's deal is therefore not as bad as it is now. There is no reason to short circuit trading Knight, just like there is no reason to short circuit this rebuild. LONG-TERM OUTLOOK is the name of the game.

[Frank Lee]

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If you want to live with the horse and boogie team that can get you some places but will never beat a car instead of trying to build a car for yourself then go for it.

Why not just 'buy' the car rather than build it from scratch?

[darealjuice]

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If you want to live with the horse and boogie team that can get you some places but will never beat a car instead of trying to build a car for yourself then go for it.

Why not just 'buy' the car rather than build it from scratch?

Because these cars get to decide who buys them, and they don't want to go to **** owners

[AtheJ415]

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If you want to live with the horse and boogie team that can get you some places but will never beat a car instead of trying to build a car for yourself then go for it.

Why not just 'buy' the car rather than build it from scratch?

Because overpriced Buick's are never going to run faster than Ferrari's, particularly when you doing so limits your resources elsewhere (via not only less cap space but also later draft picks). You need to build a Tesla or Lucid (new electric car that goes 235).

It is so incredibly alarming to me the amount of fans that think adding Boogie means we can contend with Golden State. We are nowhere close to contending with any of the West's super teams. Why not move forward knowing that and build for 3-5 years from now.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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If you want to live with the horse and boogie team that can get you some places but will never beat a car instead of trying to build a car for yourself then go for it.

Why not just 'buy' the car rather than build it from scratch?

They tried and LeBron said no. Durant and griffin didn't meet with them. So they decided not to buy the civic with 200,000 miles on it and decided to build their own.

In all seriousness their best shot is booker and one of the other youngins getting really good and recruiting someone in a couple years to put them over the top.

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[carey]

In all seriousness their best shot is booker and one of the other youngins getting really good and recruiting someone in a couple years to put them over the top.

Yep. That's why we should all be hoping Booker gets chosen for the Olympic / Worlds squad sooner rather than later. These teams seem to be where they all form close bonds and decide to eventually play together.

[Mulhollanddrive]

We're still likely to get another 1-2 top picks before we contend for playoffs.

Booker and ( Jackson / Warren / Chriss / Bender / Ulis / Len / 2018 / 2019 )

If we can't get 2 All-Stars out of all that it would be a very long disaster.

[thamadkant]

For Free Agents... good ones... to commit to Suns, the Suns need to be appealing.

Appeal comes from;
- Good core of players with potential to be very good and a playoff team.
- Star player(s) that need help to push the team top 5 in the conference.
- Good coach with history with good regular and playoff record.


The Suns have 1 of those.
Hence, why I wasnt opposed in getting Love, even if it doesnt push the Suns into playoffs, having a 26/13/4 player and a team of up and comers will attract players. Sure you can even include Bledsoe in that lineup but likely he would be shipped to get Love.


Watson has admitted candidly during a summer league game that he is a development coach, which does not appeal to star free agents.

[Frank Lee]

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I believe Booker, Jackson and Warren can be All-Stars. I believe Chriss and Bender can be, too, but I'm thinking we're going to need more time to make that determination.

Wouldn't that be... kind of like an All Star Team ?

congratulations... you are today's winner

[Frank Lee]

In all seriousness their best shot is booker and one of the other youngins getting really good and recruiting someone in a couple years to put them over the top.

Yep. That's why we should all be hoping Booker gets chosen for the Olympic / Worlds squad sooner rather than later. These teams seem to be where they all form close bonds and decide to eventually play together.

WHAT ? are you guys actually suggesting we acquire talent in the free agent or trade market ????

[alphagorilla]

In all seriousness their best shot is booker and one of the other youngins getting really good and recruiting someone in a couple years to put them over the top.

Yep. That's why we should all be hoping Booker gets chosen for the Olympic / Worlds squad sooner rather than later. These teams seem to be where they all form close bonds and decide to eventually play together.

WHAT ? are you guys actually suggesting we acquire talent in the free agent or trade market ????

I've been saying this for sometime and one of the reason I was willing to give up asset to get Russell is him, Booker and KAT are all really good friends. This could be Wade, bosh, lebron situation all over again in time

[Frank Lee]

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It is so incredibly alarming to me the amount of fans that think adding Boogie means we can contend with Golden State. We are nowhere close to contending with any of the West's super teams. Why not move forward knowing that and build for 3-5 years from now.

You have such a myopic approach to your rebuttals... selecting one facet and hammering ...

so ... you really think McDo would get Boogie then just close up the swap shop and not make any other adjustments ? Im not so naive to think this steam pile needs just one superstar and next stop title town. Yet you imply that any acquisition like this is a quick fix in a vacuum. That is sure to fail because oh my, mighty GS has all the crowns sewn up for the next 5 years, and there fore we should tailor make our team to wait till they are done. We cant be good till they are not.

Furthermore, what are the guarantees in 3 yrs your group of choir boys will still be here? Suppose KAT 'recruits Booker and/or D'Lo to Minny to come 'win' with him? Suppose Warren gets fed up loosing and being sidestepped so he goes elsewhere? Wouldn't it be a serious blow if Chris or Bender followed the Len pathway to mediocrity? If Jackson was the next Cory Brewer?

Your long term development plans have just as many twists and turns... may be even more since you are projecting the talent levels out to all-nba levels. Why is it so difficult to grasp a combination approach to winning? One incorporating successful drafting, smart free agent acquisitions, and a impact trade here and there? In 3 to 5 years we should be competing? Where does that put Bledsoe in the picture? In 5 yrs Boogie will be 32... Too old ? Dude... you have to start somewhere.

what is 'incredibly alarming' is your steadfast DRAFT your way to the top approach. Not exactly a proven path.

[Frank Lee]

yup alpha... couldn't agree more. I think thats the main reason why McD will hang onto Bledsoe. Until the Boogieman is locked up.

[bigfoot]

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It is so incredibly alarming to me the amount of fans that think adding Boogie means we can contend with Golden State. We are nowhere close to contending with any of the West's super teams. Why not move forward knowing that and build for 3-5 years from now.

You have such a myopic approach to your rebuttals... selecting one facet and hammering ...

so ... you really think McDo would get Boogie then just close up the swap shop and not make any other adjustments ? Im not so naive to think this steam pile needs just one superstar and next stop title town. Yet you imply that any acquisition like this is a quick fix in a vacuum. That is sure to fail because oh my, mighty GS has all the crowns sewn up for the next 5 years, and there fore we should tailor make our team to wait till they are done. We cant be good till they are not.

Furthermore, what are the guarantees in 3 yrs your group of choir boys will still be here? Suppose KAT 'recruits Booker and/or D'Lo to Minny to come 'win' with him? Suppose Warren gets fed up loosing and being sidestepped so he goes elsewhere? Wouldn't it be a serious blow if Chris or Bender followed the Len pathway to mediocrity? If Jackson was the next Cory Brewer?

Your long term development plans have just as many twists and turns... may be even more since you are projecting the talent levels out to all-nba levels. Why is it so difficult to grasp a combination approach to winning? One incorporating successful drafting, smart free agent acquisitions, and a impact trade here and there? In 3 to 5 years we should be competing? Where does that put Bledsoe in the picture? In 5 yrs Boogie will be 32... Too old ? Dude... you have to start somewhere.

what is 'incredibly alarming' is your steadfast DRAFT your way to the top approach. Not exactly a proven path.

Frank, he is clearly blinded by the prospect of another top 5 pick and only wants young 18/19 year olds on the team. Probably drooling over our four picks we have in 2018 to add to our already young stable of questionable players.

[Fo-Real]

Seems like we are positioning for a run at Cuz next summer.

[jredsaz]

I think the game plan is pretty well laid out. Suns will be one of a few teams with the cap space available next summer to add a max player and the only team with one of Boogies buddies on it that has that space.

I'm guessing we hold on to Bledsoe. They will try to dump Knight and move Chandler if they can do so without brining on more salary.

We will use Bledsoe to recruit Boogie. If he is not traded to the Wiz this season then I think we will have a good shot. May stay with the Pels depending on how that goes. But all in all I think it's the best chance the suns have had at landing an all star free agent since Nash.

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