Game 56: Phoenix Suns (11-44) @ Utah Jazz (30-24) - 9:00 PM ET

[thamadkant]

This is Jackson's potential... steals, assists, rebounds, deflections, blocks, dunks, mid range and maybe a 3pt here and there

True all rounder wing.... he isnt a specialist scorer.... he is a swiss knife that can score when he's got the lane or advantage matchup... Jimmy Butler-esque


Pity that last 8 minutes the team crap the bed.... the effort felt like it switched off... crazy black/white

[sunsbg]

Okobo looks pretty bad as both defender and half-court playmaker. Can't see him becoming anything more than a scorer off the bench at this point.

It's pretty clear now the team should keep JJ if choosing between him and Oubre - more upside and good chemistry with Ayton.

[thamadkant]

itsnot between Oubre or Jackson though... you can never have too many athletic players who can contribute both ends

Its between Oubre and Warren, Oubre is like Bridges and Jackson had a baby... super athletic, 3 point spot shooter, can slash and finish... takes high risk plays... but calm sometimes

[darmani]

Hopefully Oubre is gone in 6 hours.

[GoodBehavior]

Doncic with another triple double...shot awful though...25% and 20% from 3 on high volume (5-20, 2-10)

I'm really curious what he'll look like after the trade. Having solid vets around him at nearly every spot was a great environment for a rookie, combined with Carlisle. They relied on him to create, but that's his strength. He relied on them for the rest, and I think it's going to be a lot tougher the rest of the way without Deandre as a roller and Barnes and Matthews and Barrea.

Well he still had double digit assists and rebounds...also still has decent players in Kleber, Finney-Smith, Tim Hardaway Jr, Brunson, Powell and of course Porzingis whenever he gets back...and I guess now Justin Jackson who has been decent.

Justin Jackson is not decent, he's "meh" at best (and that's being overly generous). Kings fan are over the moon that he's no longer on the roster. Ditto for Tim Hardaway Jr.

I have no idea what the Mavs are trying to do. They had a respectable roster that could have competed for the #8 slot if DSJ stays healthy. It could have a been a scary lineup next year with DSJ and Luka getting more experience. Rick's scheme definitely allows for two ball handlers and the NBA overall is moving toward that as well. Even when the Mavs lost, it was always ultra-competitive, not the double digit losses the Suns are accustomed to. Barnes, Matthews, DJ are overpaid for sure, but they're above average in their roles..

The current Mavs lineup looks weird. It will be interesting to see how Luka performs now, kid is going to get absolutely swarmed. Rebound should go up but scoring efficiency should dropped materially. Mavs have a lot of cap space but also a lot of holes. Brunson is not ready to be a starter and Barea is getting old, so they might look for another PG. Porzingis have said he doesn't want to play the 5, team might have to go get another center.

[Fo-Real]

Crowder is a player that'd thrive here, wish we had him.

We don't need any more wings. We need a real PF and a real PG. We already have a 3/4 tweener or 2 and a combo guard.

Fo-Real man, I agree!

[Fo-Real]

Man I hope Okobo takes the Dragic development course because he looks scared out there a lot.

He looked like garbage.

[Fo-Real]

He did?

It's debatable?

Actually the few minutes Bender played tonight was pretty good. Okay defense and rebounding. Way better than Oubre.

No

[Bob8]

I'm really curious what he'll look like after the trade. Having solid vets around him at nearly every spot was a great environment for a rookie, combined with Carlisle. They relied on him to create, but that's his strength. He relied on them for the rest, and I think it's going to be a lot tougher the rest of the way without Deandre as a roller and Barnes and Matthews and Barrea.

Well he still had double digit assists and rebounds...also still has decent players in Kleber, Finney-Smith, Tim Hardaway Jr, Brunson, Powell and of course Porzingis whenever he gets back...and I guess now Justin Jackson who has been decent.

Justin Jackson is not decent, he's "meh" at best (and that's being overly generous). Kings fan are over the moon that he's no longer on the roster. Ditto for Tim Hardaway Jr.

I have no idea what the Mavs are trying to do. They had a respectable roster that could have competed for the #8 slot if DSJ stays healthy. It could have a been a scary lineup next year with DSJ and Luka getting more experience. Rick's scheme definitely allows for two ball handlers and the NBA overall is moving toward that as well. Even when the Mavs lost, it was always ultra-competitive, not the double digit losses the Suns are accustomed to. Barnes, Matthews, DJ are overpaid for sure, but they're above average in their roles..

The current Mavs lineup looks weird. It will be interesting to see how Luka performs now, kid is going to get absolutely swarmed. Rebound should go up but scoring efficiency should dropped materially. Mavs have a lot of cap space but also a lot of holes. Brunson is not ready to be a starter and Barea is getting old, so they might look for another PG. Porzingis have said he doesn't want to play the 5, team might have to go get another center.

they obviously believe KP will return as good or better than before injury. if that's the case, Mavs have 2 possible superstars, cap space for another star, Tim Hardaway as 4th option until he expire, defensive specialist DFS and very solid Kleber. Brunson can replace Barea as bench leader and they have some serviceable bench players. That's pretty good team, Luka and KP fit great together and are incredibly young. It depends on which max player they can get in FA and especially how KP will look.

[Frank Lee]

Man I hope Okobo takes the Dragic development course because he looks scared out there a lot.

He looked like garbage.

He went from Praise to poop in a few short days/games. I think his life is much easier when Booker is on the floor.

This team is an odd one... just when you think guys are making the turn, the dont. Two baby steps forward, one giant step back. We call it progress... but are we blinded by hope?

[Fo-Real]

Man I hope Okobo takes the Dragic development course because he looks scared out there a lot.

He looked like garbage.

He went from Praise to poop in a few short days/games. I think his life is much easier when Booker is on the floor.

This team is an odd one... just when you think guys are making the turn, the dont. Two baby steps forward, one giant step back. We call it progress... but are we blinded by hope?

I have never praised him. I like him as a rookie but only see him as a future bench pg at best. I have said as much several times before.

[bigfoot]

It's debatable?

Actually the few minutes Bender played tonight was pretty good. Okay defense and rebounding. Way better than Oubre.

No

Yes ... if you watched the game you saw how **** Oubre played. I think Kelly single-handedly lost the game because of a bunch of boneheaded plays.

[Fo-Real]

Actually the few minutes Bender played tonight was pretty good. Okay defense and rebounding. Way better than Oubre.

No

Yes ... if you watched the game you saw how **** Oubre played. I think Kelly single-handedly lost the game because of a bunch of boneheaded plays.

Bender is nothingness, he did nothing. The man started and people probably dont even know it, he had on his invisibility cloak. Oubre payed like trash at times last night but at least he had some effect on the game because he did something... anything! You had the exact same effect on last nights game as Bender did, actually your plus minus is better. If I had to vote for an MVP of last nights game and the choices were every poster on the Suns board and Bender, whoever the **** made the game thread wins because he did more.

[GoodBehavior]

Well he still had double digit assists and rebounds...also still has decent players in Kleber, Finney-Smith, Tim Hardaway Jr, Brunson, Powell and of course Porzingis whenever he gets back...and I guess now Justin Jackson who has been decent.

Justin Jackson is not decent, he's "meh" at best (and that's being overly generous). Kings fan are over the moon that he's no longer on the roster. Ditto for Tim Hardaway Jr.

I have no idea what the Mavs are trying to do. They had a respectable roster that could have competed for the #8 slot if DSJ stays healthy. It could have a been a scary lineup next year with DSJ and Luka getting more experience. Rick's scheme definitely allows for two ball handlers and the NBA overall is moving toward that as well. Even when the Mavs lost, it was always ultra-competitive, not the double digit losses the Suns are accustomed to. Barnes, Matthews, DJ are overpaid for sure, but they're above average in their roles..

The current Mavs lineup looks weird. It will be interesting to see how Luka performs now, kid is going to get absolutely swarmed. Rebound should go up but scoring efficiency should dropped materially. Mavs have a lot of cap space but also a lot of holes. Brunson is not ready to be a starter and Barea is getting old, so they might look for another PG. Porzingis have said he doesn't want to play the 5, team might have to go get another center.

they obviously believe KP will return as good or better than before injury. if that's the case, Mavs have 2 possible superstars, cap space for another star, Tim Hardaway as 4th option until he expire, defensive specialist DFS and very solid Kleber. Brunson can replace Barea as bench leader and they have some serviceable bench players. That's pretty good team, Luka and KP fit great together and are incredibly young. It depends on which max player they can get in FA and especially how KP will look.

Even with a healthy Porzingis, they need a center/PF who can rebound. Porzingis can't rebound for his life and Kleber is below average/undersized. That front court will get out-muscled by the vast majority of teams out there. They also need a starting PG that can be a secondary ball handler (assuming they don't sign a max player like Tobias Harris), who can play off ball and defend against speedier PG. Any Suns fan will tell you that's not an easy one. DFS and Kleber, i believe are restricted, but also need to be locked up.

[Bob8]

Justin Jackson is not decent, he's "meh" at best (and that's being overly generous). Kings fan are over the moon that he's no longer on the roster. Ditto for Tim Hardaway Jr.

I have no idea what the Mavs are trying to do. They had a respectable roster that could have competed for the #8 slot if DSJ stays healthy. It could have a been a scary lineup next year with DSJ and Luka getting more experience. Rick's scheme definitely allows for two ball handlers and the NBA overall is moving toward that as well. Even when the Mavs lost, it was always ultra-competitive, not the double digit losses the Suns are accustomed to. Barnes, Matthews, DJ are overpaid for sure, but they're above average in their roles..

The current Mavs lineup looks weird. It will be interesting to see how Luka performs now, kid is going to get absolutely swarmed. Rebound should go up but scoring efficiency should dropped materially. Mavs have a lot of cap space but also a lot of holes. Brunson is not ready to be a starter and Barea is getting old, so they might look for another PG. Porzingis have said he doesn't want to play the 5, team might have to go get another center.

they obviously believe KP will return as good or better than before injury. if that's the case, Mavs have 2 possible superstars, cap space for another star, Tim Hardaway as 4th option until he expire, defensive specialist DFS and very solid Kleber. Brunson can replace Barea as bench leader and they have some serviceable bench players. That's pretty good team, Luka and KP fit great together and are incredibly young. It depends on which max player they can get in FA and especially how KP will look.

Even with a healthy Porzingis, they need a center/PF who can rebound. Porzingis can't rebound for his life and Kleber is below average/undersized. That front court will get out-muscled by the vast majority of teams out there. They also need a starting PG that can be a secondary ball handler (assuming they don't sign a max player like Tobias Harris), who can play off ball and defend against speedier PG. Any Suns fan will tell you that's not an easy one. DFS and Kleber, i believe are restricted, but also need to be locked up.

Luka and Brunson plays better together than Luka and DSJ, Porzingis best position in this league would be a C. If he doesn't want to play 5, they will need to find adequate solution, I believe they will try to trade Powell too. So cap space could be around 40 mio - DFS, Kleber, who, if I'm not mistaken can be paid out of the salary cap. They have a lot of options with cap that big.

[handsome salary]

Man I hope Okobo takes the Dragic development course because he looks scared out there a lot.

He looked like garbage.

He went from Praise to poop in a few short days/games. I think his life is much easier when Booker is on the floor.

This team is an odd one... just when you think guys are making the turn, the dont. Two baby steps forward, one giant step back. We call it progress... but are we blinded by hope?

Blinded by what hope? They get the number one pick AGAIN?
All the players stats I see tossed out there as "look how good this guy is doing now" are just worthless numbers. This team is a chore to watch and the franchise is joke around the league and media. From the AP-"leading the Jazz to a 116-88 victory over the lowly Suns". Lowly.
Suns now below .200 after 56 games. Joke team, pathetic FO.

[bwgood77]

I'm really curious what he'll look like after the trade. Having solid vets around him at nearly every spot was a great environment for a rookie, combined with Carlisle. They relied on him to create, but that's his strength. He relied on them for the rest, and I think it's going to be a lot tougher the rest of the way without Deandre as a roller and Barnes and Matthews and Barrea.

Well he still had double digit assists and rebounds...also still has decent players in Kleber, Finney-Smith, Tim Hardaway Jr, Brunson, Powell and of course Porzingis whenever he gets back...and I guess now Justin Jackson who has been decent.

Justin Jackson is not decent, he's "meh" at best (and that's being overly generous). Kings fan are over the moon that he's no longer on the roster. Ditto for Tim Hardaway Jr.

I have no idea what the Mavs are trying to do. They had a respectable roster that could have competed for the #8 slot if DSJ stays healthy. It could have a been a scary lineup next year with DSJ and Luka getting more experience. Rick's scheme definitely allows for two ball handlers and the NBA overall is moving toward that as well. Even when the Mavs lost, it was always ultra-competitive, not the double digit losses the Suns are accustomed to. Barnes, Matthews, DJ are overpaid for sure, but they're above average in their roles..

The current Mavs lineup looks weird. It will be interesting to see how Luka performs now, kid is going to get absolutely swarmed. Rebound should go up but scoring efficiency should dropped materially. Mavs have a lot of cap space but also a lot of holes. Brunson is not ready to be a starter and Barea is getting old, so they might look for another PG. Porzingis have said he doesn't want to play the 5, team might have to go get another center.

They have tons of cap space. Justin Jackson is ok. Decent 3 pt shooter...shooting at a better % than any player we have outside of TJ, Bridges and Daniels. Sure, kind of meh, but not terrible for a 2nd year player.

Matthews sucked. Barnes is ok but way overpaid. They have two stars on rookie deals...and tons of cap space for the summer. Can probably sign a center. Brunson will be a decent PG. Tim Hardway Jr is overpaid, but he's ok and young. Rather have him than Matthews.

They have $30 million in cap space and will definitely sign a decent player or two...maybe a current all star like Vucevic.

[bwgood77]

Man I hope Okobo takes the Dragic development course because he looks scared out there a lot.

He looked like garbage.

He went from Praise to poop in a few short days/games. I think his life is much easier when Booker is on the floor.

This team is an odd one... just when you think guys are making the turn, the dont. Two baby steps forward, one giant step back. We call it progress... but are we blinded by hope?

I never judge rookies that harshly. The fact he is capable of his 11 assist, 0 turnover game like he had the other day was impressive. I mean all our players look awful at times...look how good Jackson looked last night but he has looked awful many times as well.

[GoodBehavior]

Well he still had double digit assists and rebounds...also still has decent players in Kleber, Finney-Smith, Tim Hardaway Jr, Brunson, Powell and of course Porzingis whenever he gets back...and I guess now Justin Jackson who has been decent.

Justin Jackson is not decent, he's "meh" at best (and that's being overly generous). Kings fan are over the moon that he's no longer on the roster. Ditto for Tim Hardaway Jr.

I have no idea what the Mavs are trying to do. They had a respectable roster that could have competed for the #8 slot if DSJ stays healthy. It could have a been a scary lineup next year with DSJ and Luka getting more experience. Rick's scheme definitely allows for two ball handlers and the NBA overall is moving toward that as well. Even when the Mavs lost, it was always ultra-competitive, not the double digit losses the Suns are accustomed to. Barnes, Matthews, DJ are overpaid for sure, but they're above average in their roles..

The current Mavs lineup looks weird. It will be interesting to see how Luka performs now, kid is going to get absolutely swarmed. Rebound should go up but scoring efficiency should dropped materially. Mavs have a lot of cap space but also a lot of holes. Brunson is not ready to be a starter and Barea is getting old, so they might look for another PG. Porzingis have said he doesn't want to play the 5, team might have to go get another center.

They have tons of cap space. Justin Jackson is ok. Decent 3 pt shooter...shooting at a better % than any player we have outside of TJ, Bridges and Daniels. Sure, kind of meh, but not terrible for a 2nd year player.

Matthews sucked. Barnes is ok but way overpaid. They have two stars on rookie deals...and tons of cap space for the summer. Can probably sign a center. Brunson will be a decent PG. Tim Hardway Jr is overpaid, but he's ok and young. Rather have him than Matthews.

They have $30 million in cap space and will definitely sign a decent player or two...maybe a current all star like Vucevic.

I would absolutely love it if they sign Vuc or another center. Kleber could be expendable and he fits nicely with the Suns.

[thamadkant]

Vucevic is an under rated center. Amongst the best offensive centers. Not as good of a shot blocker as Nurkic or inside defender. But shooting threath from outside and good inside.

Jahlil Okafor also doing his best lately. Looking like a stud double double big with shot blocking.

A bunch of good bigs under the radar due to the obsession in 3pters. But once every team has good 3pt shooters the difference will come from inside and non front face bigs will be in demand again.