Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

Gorilla Warfare · Post #121 » by **Gorilla Warfare** » Thu May 2, 2019 4:58 am

You can not like the potential hiring of Monty Williams all you want, but you have to remember that Monty is one of the great humans in this world and he has the love and respect from every player and staff member in this league. Our players will go to war for him so I personally think this would be the best coaching hire we've had in a LONG time.

Ghost of Kleine · Post #122 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Thu May 2, 2019 6:51 am

Check out @wojespn’s Tweet:

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?s=09 . Still no offer???....... :roll:

I wonder if Sarver is waiting to see if he can get Vanterpool or someone else cheaper.

Or most likely waiting to see what the Lakers are willing to offer, So he can try and save money by only offering slightly more?

Revived · Post #123 » by **Revived** » Thu May 2, 2019 7:41 am

Gorilla Warfare wrote:You can not like the potential hiring of Monty Williams all you want, but you have to remember that Monty is one of the great humans in this world and he has the love and respect from every player and staff member in this league. Our players will go to war for him so I personally think this would be the best coaching hire we've had in a LONG time.

Jeff Hornacek and Earl Watson were both really great humans too and widely respected around the league. Many players were even quoted as saying they would run through a wall for both these coaches.

Monty Williams is a fantastic human being but for the Suns at this point, they need the better coach than the person imo.

I think they could do a lot worse than Monty Williams so it’s an okay hire imo. Not gonna jump up and down for it like I did Budenholzer last year.

BobbieL · Post #124 » by **BobbieL** » Thu May 2, 2019 2:11 pm

Revived wrote:
Gorilla Warfare wrote:You can not like the potential hiring of Monty Williams all you want, but you have to remember that Monty is one of the great humans in this world and he has the love and respect from every player and staff member in this league. Our players will go to war for him so I personally think this would be the best coaching hire we've had in a LONG time.

Jeff Hornacek and Earl Watson were both really great humans too and widely respected around the league. Many players were even quoted as saying they would run through a wall for both these coaches.

Monty Williams is a fantastic human being but for the Suns at this point, they need the better coach than the person imo.

I think they could do a lot worse than Monty Williams so it’s an okay hire imo. Not gonna jump up and down for it like I did Budenholzer last year.

I agree that Watson and Hornacek were good guys just like Monty Williams seems to be. But the Suns do need more than a good guy. They need a person who can take these players and mold them from pseudo-college young nba plebes to NBA Officers so to speak. Boys to Men if you will.

Steve Kerr has mentioned how important Mark Jackson was to the development of the Warriors. Jackson got them to play defense, how to be NBA players.

Monty Williams - besides the coaching, tactician, etc - needs to teach these guys how to be NBA players. The Suns are so young. This would be a good solid long term hire.

Ghost of Kleine · Post #125 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Thu May 2, 2019 7:21 pm

I don't know, It's still unclear. But I really just get the feeling that Sarver is trying to hold out and see if the Lakers hire Lue, So that he can potentially offer less. Or he's stalling, in the hopes that Williams gets picked up by some other team, So he can hire a bargain bin first time assistant coach.

And he then will claim that we tried to get him, but he chose other options. Attempting to absolve himself of any accountability or blame.

Unfortunately, history has shown us, that Sarver values cheaper, and less experienced options. As he values control over any realistically/logical perspectives and options.

I really think that it's just about the money/ control in the end. And yes, I know what James Jones said at his presser.

Claiming that " money is not going to be a factor " But as we know that with Sarver, to some degree, it always is the determining factor for him.

Also, I think that as much as Jones is posturing his supposed autonomous decision making authority.

It's very telling, in that Sarver had to be directly involved in the 2nd stage of the interview process. At what point are we actually going to see front office decisions being fully made by the supposed people that he's hired for that job, without his involvement during the process?

I mean what can he offer objectively that is not what already encompassed within the roles that Jones and Bowers were specifically hired for???

Also consider, Even though the stage has been set by with Bower for a near perfect transition and tandem at coach and gm , given both Williams and Bowers familiarity. As has been reported, NO CONTRACTUAL OR MONETARY OFFER HAS BEEN MADE.

It just makes no sense, ( as it's been reported already that Williams is there primarily target of interest), We absolutely need a coach of Willams caliber badly!

So why not lock it down and get the deal done? At least make the best offer you can, or any offer really! I mean, I really hope that he proves me wrong on this, but I seriously doubt it .

It's just seemingly obvious that Sarver is only postering, and trying to make it appear that he is letting Jones call the shots, While in reality, He is really just looking for a cheaper, less experienced and ultimately easier to control option for HIS coaching choice.

Again, He really didn't need to be involved at any stage of the interview process, Other than to sign the contract.

It just seems that he's still meddling and utilizing his penny pinching, banking perspective to make decisions for this franchise.

And for all of Jones postering and bravado, he's really just a puppet and a mouthpiece for Sarver. In the end, it wouldn't even surprise me to hear that Sarver at some point, has declared himself owner, Co gm, and coach( in advisory role) now.

Sorry for the rant, Just fustrated to see the same old scenario always repeating itself continually.

Make the damn offer, and get it done already. Quit stalling, Bargain bin shopping for options, and pinching pennies. Show the fans that you're truly willing to change the culture here.

And that you have learned to value quality and improvement over your profit margins and bottom line.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #126 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Thu May 2, 2019 8:24 pm

Could be as simple as Monty telling them he's not making a decision right now (which is in his best interest if brown really might get fired) so the suns didn't make an official offer so they aren't trapped by that and can continue to interview.

As far as sarver meeting with him it's concerning simply because he's an idiot and can mess things up but it's not at all unusual for an owner to meet a prospective new coach. In fact it would be unusual if they didn't.

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YouTube · Post #127 » by **Kerrsed** » Thu May 2, 2019 9:18 pm

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Dr Manute · Post #128 » by **Dr Manute** » Thu May 2, 2019 11:06 pm

Kerrsed wrote:

Read on Twitter

scratch DLo of my list for point guards

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #129 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Thu May 2, 2019 11:12 pm

Dr Manute wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:

Read on Twitter

scratch DLo of my list for point guards

I mean, if you didn't know DLo was a little dumb, you haven't been paying attention.

... But then if it's the weed you're concerned about, I got bad news for you. I don't even know if there's a sport you should watch (let alone a team), but it certainly wouldn't be basketball!

Blonde · Post #130 » by **Blonde** » Thu May 2, 2019 11:30 pm

Dr Manute wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:

Read on Twitter

scratch DLo of my list for point guards

Delete this

WeekapaugGroove · Post #131 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Thu May 2, 2019 11:48 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
Dr Manute wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:

Read on Twitter

scratch DLo of my list for point guards

I mean, if you didn't know DLo was a little dumb, you haven't been paying attention.

... But then if it's the weed you're concerned about, I got bad news for you. I don't even know if there's a sport you should watch (let alone a team), but it certainly wouldn't be basketball!

It's definitely more of a question of judgement than the weed thing. Like dude just get some green when you get where ever you're headed. Plus medical is legal in NY so just go get a card and all they would have done is take it away and say you can't bring it on the plane.

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TheLogician · Post #132 » by **TheLogician** » Fri May 3, 2019 12:20 am

Lmao TSA probably thought it was a liquid over 2 oz. Put your weed in your suitcase. Rx bottle in toiletry bag works every time.

SuperSunsFan · Post #133 » by **SuperSunsFan** » Fri May 3, 2019 2:46 am

If you don't want the Suns to trade for DLo because of the little weed that he smoke then you might as well call for the Suns to trade away Book as well, do you really believe that Dlo is a smoker and his BFF Book isn't, people become buddies usually because they share hobbies. Don't see the charges as reasons for turning down Dlo, see them as an opportunity to ask for a discount.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #134 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Fri May 3, 2019 4:20 am

SuperSunsFan wrote:If you don't want the Suns to trade for DLo because of the little weed that he smoke then you might as well call for the Suns to trade away Book as well, do you really believe that Dlo is a smoker and his BFF Book isn't, people become buddies usually because they share hobbies. Don't see the charges as reasons for turning down Dlo, see them as an opportunity to ask for a discount.

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bigfoot · Post #135 » by **bigfoot** » Fri May 3, 2019 4:28 am

SuperSunsFan wrote:If you don't want the Suns to trade for DLo because of the little weed that he smoke then you might as well call for the Suns to trade away Book as well, do you really believe that Dlo is a smoker and his BFF Book isn't, people become buddies usually because they share hobbies. Don't see the charges as reasons for turning down Dlo, see them as an opportunity to ask for a discount.

It's not about the weed ... it's about someone stupid enough to try to take weed through airport security. Especially someone with plenty of money, someone looking for a new, big, fat contract, and someone who is starting to get national endorsements. DLo is one dumb mutherf*cker. We don't need that type of stupidity on the Suns.

SuperSunsFan · Post #136 » by **SuperSunsFan** » Fri May 3, 2019 5:28 am

bigfoot wrote:
SuperSunsFan wrote:If you don't want the Suns to trade for DLo because of the little weed that he smoke then you might as well call for the Suns to trade away Book as well, do you really believe that Dlo is a smoker and his BFF Book isn't, people become buddies usually because they share hobbies. Don't see the charges as reasons for turning down Dlo, see them as an opportunity to ask for a discount.

It's not about the weed ... it's about someone stupid enough to try to take weed through airport security. Especially someone with plenty of money, someone looking for a new, big, fat contract, and someone who is starting to get national endorsements. DLo is one dumb mutherf*cker. We don't need that type of stupidity on the Suns.

I completely hear you, same reason I didn't want Josh Jackson after learning about his drug and anger issues.

Blonde · Post #137 » by **Blonde** » Fri May 3, 2019 5:51 am

The better Milwaukee plays without Brogdon, the greater our chances of stealing him away are. Then again, if they keep advancing only to get knocked out in the finals they might view him as the piece that pushes them over the top. He should be a high priority free agent this summer no matter what we do in the draft.

Post #138 » by **lilfishi22** » Fri May 3, 2019 6:38 am

bigfoot wrote:
SuperSunsFan wrote:If you don't want the Suns to trade for DLo because of the little weed that he smoke then you might as well call for the Suns to trade away Book as well, do you really believe that Dlo is a smoker and his BFF Book isn't, people become buddies usually because they share hobbies. Don't see the charges as reasons for turning down Dlo, see them as an opportunity to ask for a discount.

It's not about the weed ... it's about someone stupid enough to try to take weed through airport security. Especially someone with plenty of money, someone looking for a new, big, fat contract, and someone who is starting to get national endorsements. DLo is one dumb mutherf*cker. We don't need that type of stupidity on the Suns.

+1

Gotta be dumb as a bag of rocks to bring your own stash when it's very easy to acquire basically anything as long as you have money, which is he has buckets worth.

Damkac · Post #139 » by **Damkac** » Fri May 3, 2019 12:15 pm

Yeah, I hate dumb players. If I were building a team I would want smart, hard working, unselfish, coachable players.
It's one of the reasons I think trading Warren will be a huge mistake. He is working hard to get better and only care about basketball. But yeah, it's not something that $arver would appreciate.

Saberestar · Post #140 » by **Saberestar** » Fri May 3, 2019 12:22 pm

Damkac wrote:Yeah, I hate dumb players. If I were building a team I would want smart, hard working, unselfish, coachable players.
It's one of the reasons I think trading Warren will be a huge mistake. He is working hard to get better and only care about basketball. But yeah, it's not something that $arver would appreciate.

I would kill for someone with those skills on this team.

I miss SO MUCH Steve Nash and Grant Hill...