2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 3 - Trade season begins

[Slim Charless]

Depends...I wouldn't be surprised if Atlanta would give up something like Okongwu and Collins. Trae/DJM/Hunter/Siakam/Capela would be pretty good. Collins to Siakam a huge upgrade and Okongwu doesn't play a ton. Atlanta desperately needs to do something.

Makes Toronto younger.

That's a good trade actually.

Much better than your SAS silliness. Masai is not trading the potential DPOTY for Poetl and ADDING value in the form of a young talented center. He's considered 1 of the best GMs in the league, not Vlade Divac or Billy King lmao. I can see ATL doing that, but I'm not sure if Dinos need another 6'8ish guy, they have a ton on that team-even after trading Siakam.

The SAS one was for Ayton...something it seems like Jones would do for a cheaper C and a shooter. I know others have brought up Poeltl too like Revived mentioned trading Ayton for him once I think and I'm sure bigfoot, Kleon, maybe diddy and others would do it.

It just depends. He's pretty solid. I like Poeltl and some like him a lot.

But no, not for Toronto. I already said I didn't think they'd do Ayton either...I think something like this ATL one would be the type of trade they might go after IF he was on the table.

But like I said, I don't think they will trade Siakam.

Why would they? How many guys avg 24/8/7?

I think it's just Luka and Jokic. LeBron is close. That's it. You don't trade guys like that.

Siakam is way older than Scottie and OG and is due a supermax soon. I don't see them wanting to pay that. I don't think we'd want to either if Sarver was still here but who knows with a new owner.

Siakam is a perfect #2 he's just not a franchise player. But paired with Booker, they'd make a potentially fearsome combo. I'd do Ayton and CamJo. If we get back Koloko, I'll add in a 1st.

I won't bore you with my opinions on Monty again but suffice to say I have little faith in him using Ayton correctly.

[bwgood77]

That's a good trade actually.

Much better than your SAS silliness. Masai is not trading the potential DPOTY for Poetl and ADDING value in the form of a young talented center. He's considered 1 of the best GMs in the league, not Vlade Divac or Billy King lmao. I can see ATL doing that, but I'm not sure if Dinos need another 6'8ish guy, they have a ton on that team-even after trading Siakam.

The SAS one was for Ayton...something it seems like Jones would do for a cheaper C and a shooter. I know others have brought up Poeltl too like Revived mentioned trading Ayton for him once I think and I'm sure bigfoot, Kleon, maybe diddy and others would do it.

It just depends. He's pretty solid. I like Poeltl and some like him a lot.

But no, not for Toronto. I already said I didn't think they'd do Ayton either...I think something like this ATL one would be the type of trade they might go after IF he was on the table.

But like I said, I don't think they will trade Siakam.

Why would they? How many guys avg 24/8/7?

I think it's just Luka and Jokic. LeBron is close. That's it. You don't trade guys like that.

Siakam is way older than Scottie and OG and is due a supermax soon. I don't see them wanting to pay that. I don't think we'd want to either if Sarver was still here but who knows with a new owner.

Siakam is a perfect #2 he's just not a franchise player. But paired with Booker, they'd make a potentially fearsome combo. I'd do Ayton and CamJo. If we get back Koloko, I'll add in a 1st.

I won't bore you with my opinions on Monty again but suffice to say I have little faith in him using Ayton correctly.

I haven't heard anything about a supermax. They should just give him less than that but more than any other team could give him. Anyway, I don't see teams these days trading all nba players just to get off contracts...unless they are washed. Who is the last guy that was traded who wasn't demanding out? Harden? He wasn't even ALL NBA at the time I don't think and it was still a massive mistake.

[lilfishi22]

Are you trying to win a chip or rebuild? Don’t compare Siakams rebounding to Ayton. There’s no comparison. Who’s starting at the 5 on this team? The rookie, or our 3rd string centers? I wouldn’t trade anyone but Crowder and shamet and picks. And who is our three-point specialist inconsistent Gary Trent JR?

I like Siakam and similar to BW, I was disappointed with his progression after he won a championship but the past season or so he's really stepped up and looking like a legit #2 guy again. That said, I am really worried about his next contract. It's going to be at least $40m and likely approaching $50m a year.

Would I do Siakam for Ayton (everything else is really fillers)? I think I have to because Siakam is just the better player right now and is more akin to a true #2 than Ayton likely will ever be. But the biggest hold up for me is Siakam's contract and his impact on the salary cap. While Ayton's contract isn't great, it does cap out at $35.5m (in 25-26) which is what Siakam is on this season and heading for a pretty big jump with his next contract. Having two guys on supermax (or near supermax) deals is going to really limit what you can do with the rest of the team.

The only way I would do it is if I felt strongly we could win a title within the next 2-3 years with Booker/Siakam because after that, we're pretty much locked into whatever we have with very few avenues to get better. I don't feel strongly right now.

That’s where we disagree. I think Ayton is better than Siakam. And I don’t think it’s close.

Ayton’s stats are not eye popping but the impact he has on the team is more important than what Siakam would be.

What Siakam is asked to do for the Raptors won’t be the same as on the Suns.

I would only do a Crowder and pick for Siakam and throw in Shamet or some other trash we have.

Trading all that for Siakam would make the Suns a non threat.

Happy to agree to disagree but the main selling point of Siakam over Ayton is clearly his shot creation and passing abilities. He's also a pretty damn good defender. Not to mention two time all-NBA player. Issue in Toronto is they are using him as their superstar but he's just not a #1. Ayton may eventually be a better player (although better is highly subjective) but I've seen enough of Ayton's shot creation abilities to have doubts he'll ever be a high level shot creator.

On the Suns, he will be a damn good #2 or even 1C type of guy. Fact is, we desperately could use a guy with his shot creating, passing and defensive ability.

[sunsbum]

That's a good trade actually.

Much better than your SAS silliness. Masai is not trading the potential DPOTY for Poetl and ADDING value in the form of a young talented center. He's considered 1 of the best GMs in the league, not Vlade Divac or Billy King lmao. I can see ATL doing that, but I'm not sure if Dinos need another 6'8ish guy, they have a ton on that team-even after trading Siakam.

The SAS one was for Ayton...something it seems like Jones would do for a cheaper C and a shooter. I know others have brought up Poeltl too like Revived mentioned trading Ayton for him once I think and I'm sure bigfoot, Kleon, maybe diddy and others would do it.

It just depends. He's pretty solid. I like Poeltl and some like him a lot.

But no, not for Toronto. I already said I didn't think they'd do Ayton either...I think something like this ATL one would be the type of trade they might go after IF he was on the table.

But like I said, I don't think they will trade Siakam.

Why would they? How many guys avg 24/8/7?

I think it's just Luka and Jokic. LeBron is close. That's it. You don't trade guys like that.

Siakam is way older than Scottie and OG and is due a supermax soon. I don't see them wanting to pay that. I don't think we'd want to either if Sarver was still here but who knows with a new owner.

Siakam is a perfect #2 he's just not a franchise player. But paired with Booker, they'd make a potentially fearsome combo. I'd do Ayton and CamJo. If we get back Koloko, I'll add in a 1st.

I won't bore you with my opinions on Monty again but suffice to say I have little faith in him using Ayton correctly.

1 of the greatest all time PGs and a very good passing SG but its monty's fault Ayton has 3 moves.

[Slim Charless]

The SAS one was for Ayton...something it seems like Jones would do for a cheaper C and a shooter. I know others have brought up Poeltl too like Revived mentioned trading Ayton for him once I think and I'm sure bigfoot, Kleon, maybe diddy and others would do it.

It just depends. He's pretty solid. I like Poeltl and some like him a lot.

But no, not for Toronto. I already said I didn't think they'd do Ayton either...I think something like this ATL one would be the type of trade they might go after IF he was on the table.

But like I said, I don't think they will trade Siakam.

Why would they? How many guys avg 24/8/7?

I think it's just Luka and Jokic. LeBron is close. That's it. You don't trade guys like that.

Siakam is way older than Scottie and OG and is due a supermax soon. I don't see them wanting to pay that. I don't think we'd want to either if Sarver was still here but who knows with a new owner.

Siakam is a perfect #2 he's just not a franchise player. But paired with Booker, they'd make a potentially fearsome combo. I'd do Ayton and CamJo. If we get back Koloko, I'll add in a 1st.

I won't bore you with my opinions on Monty again but suffice to say I have little faith in him using Ayton correctly.

1 of the greatest all time PGs and a very good passing SG but its monty's fault Ayton has 3 moves.

Moronty is trash.

[sunsbum]

Siakam is way older than Scottie and OG and is due a supermax soon. I don't see them wanting to pay that. I don't think we'd want to either if Sarver was still here but who knows with a new owner.

Siakam is a perfect #2 he's just not a franchise player. But paired with Booker, they'd make a potentially fearsome combo. I'd do Ayton and CamJo. If we get back Koloko, I'll add in a 1st.

I won't bore you with my opinions on Monty again but suffice to say I have little faith in him using Ayton correctly.

1 of the greatest all time PGs and a very good passing SG but its monty's fault Ayton has 3 moves.

Moronty is trash.

I don't particularly like his lack of fire and some of his on court decisions but the players respect him, well of course except for Ayton. Imagine that.

[Revived]

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[Slim Charless]

Are you trying to win a chip or rebuild? Don’t compare Siakams rebounding to Ayton. There’s no comparison. Who’s starting at the 5 on this team? The rookie, or our 3rd string centers? I wouldn’t trade anyone but Crowder and shamet and picks. And who is our three-point specialist inconsistent Gary Trent JR?

I like Siakam and similar to BW, I was disappointed with his progression after he won a championship but the past season or so he's really stepped up and looking like a legit #2 guy again. That said, I am really worried about his next contract. It's going to be at least $40m and likely approaching $50m a year.

Would I do Siakam for Ayton (everything else is really fillers)? I think I have to because Siakam is just the better player right now and is more akin to a true #2 than Ayton likely will ever be. But the biggest hold up for me is Siakam's contract and his impact on the salary cap. While Ayton's contract isn't great, it does cap out at $35.5m (in 25-26) which is what Siakam is on this season and heading for a pretty big jump with his next contract. Having two guys on supermax (or near supermax) deals is going to really limit what you can do with the rest of the team.

The only way I would do it is if I felt strongly we could win a title within the next 2-3 years with Booker/Siakam because after that, we're pretty much locked into whatever we have with very few avenues to get better. I don't feel strongly right now.

That’s where we disagree. I think Ayton is better than Siakam. And I don’t think it’s close.

Ayton’s stats are not eye popping but the impact he has on the team is more important than what Siakam would be.

What Siakam is asked to do for the Raptors won’t be the same as on the Suns.

I would only do a Crowder and pick for Siakam and throw in Shamet or some other trash we have.

Trading all that for Siakam would make the Suns a non threat.

Siakam is rocking a 31/7/5 going into the 4th quarter.......with fantastic shooting percentages.

[sunsfan1o1]

Siakam is way older than Scottie and OG and is due a supermax soon. I don't see them wanting to pay that. I don't think we'd want to either if Sarver was still here but who knows with a new owner.

Siakam is a perfect #2 he's just not a franchise player. But paired with Booker, they'd make a potentially fearsome combo. I'd do Ayton and CamJo. If we get back Koloko, I'll add in a 1st.

I won't bore you with my opinions on Monty again but suffice to say I have little faith in him using Ayton correctly.

1 of the greatest all time PGs and a very good passing SG but its monty's fault Ayton has 3 moves.

Moronty is trash.

I agree with this statement. Monty is not a good coach. Not even for Booker.

[King4Day]

Odd poll question. Is Poeltl having an all-star caliber season? That would be the ultimate selling low of DA IMO

[sunsfan1o1]

Odd poll question. Is Poeltl having an all-star caliber season? That would be the ultimate selling low of DA IMO

Poetl is a rich man’s Jock Landale. So I’m sure James Jones loves him. Monty is drooling with the thought of him. They both love unathletic trash bigs.

[Slim Charless]

Odd poll question. Is Poeltl having an all-star caliber season? That would be the ultimate selling low of DA IMO

Poetl is a rich man’s Jock Landale. So I’m sure James Jones loves him. Monty is drooling with the thought of him. They both love unathletic trash bigs.

That trade is so awful even the staunchest of Ayton's haters like diddy, blonde and KLEON haven't chimed in to say they'd do it.

[sunsfan1o1]

Odd poll question. Is Poeltl having an all-star caliber season? That would be the ultimate selling low of DA IMO

Poetl is a rich man’s Jock Landale. So I’m sure James Jones loves him. Monty is drooling with the thought of him. They both love unathletic trash bigs.

That trade is so awful even the staunchest of Ayton's haters like diddy, blonde and KLEON haven't chimed in to say they'd do it.

You guys are trying to trade a future Allstar maybe as soon as this year for trash like Poetl. Damn. Looks like y’all miss the Bender/Chriss Tyler Ulis days. This is just a shame

Poetl can barely get minutes on a bottom feeder. Shoots 50% from ft line. No 3 activity. Below average rebounder. No blocks. Can’t score.
Let’s trade Booker for Terrance Ross and we’re set. Smdh

[BobbieL]

Odd poll question. Is Poeltl having an all-star caliber season? That would be the ultimate selling low of DA IMO

Poetl is a rich man’s Jock Landale. So I’m sure James Jones loves him. Monty is drooling with the thought of him. They both love unathletic trash bigs.

That trade is so awful even the staunchest of Ayton's haters like diddy, blonde and KLEON haven't chimed in to say they'd do it.

How many draft picks would the Spurs add for Ayton in that deal. Even if four - it’s terrible

Let’s stick to trades with Jae Saric etc

[Slim Charless]

Poetl is a rich man’s Jock Landale. So I’m sure James Jones loves him. Monty is drooling with the thought of him. They both love unathletic trash bigs.

That trade is so awful even the staunchest of Ayton's haters like diddy, blonde and KLEON haven't chimed in to say they'd do it.

You guys are trying to trade a future Allstar maybe as soon as this year for trash like Poetl. Damn. Looks like y’all miss the Bender/Chriss Tyler Ulis days. This is just a shame

Poetl can barely get minutes on a bottom feeder. Shoots 50% from ft line. No 3 activity. Below average rebounder. No blocks. Can’t score.
Let’s trade Booker for Terrance Ross and we’re set. Smdh

You guys?????,

Are you joking, I think this trade is stupid and JUST SAID SO.

Send this post to BW, not me and read better next time.

[sunsfan1o1]

That trade is so awful even the staunchest of Ayton's haters like diddy, blonde and KLEON haven't chimed in to say they'd do it.

You guys are trying to trade a future Allstar maybe as soon as this year for trash like Poetl. Damn. Looks like y’all miss the Bender/Chriss Tyler Ulis days. This is just a shame

Poetl can barely get minutes on a bottom feeder. Shoots 50% from ft line. No 3 activity. Below average rebounder. No blocks. Can’t score.
Let’s trade Booker for Terrance Ross and we’re set. Smdh

You guys?????,

Are you joking, I think this trade is stupid and JUST SAID SO.

Send this post to BW, not me and read better next time.

Lol. Chill. It should read these guys. Whoever thinks that trade is a good idea. My mistake.

[Blonde]

“Staunchest of Ayton haters” Might have to add that to my bio LOL.

[NYG]

Would the Suns add a conditional '23 1st in a Shamet/Saric for Christian Wood and Frank Ntilikina deal? If so, what conditions would be required?

[MrMiyagi]

Would the Suns add a conditional '23 1st in a Shamet/Saric for Christian Wood and Frank Ntilikina deal? If so, what conditions would be required?

I'm confused by whatever is happening here.

[lilfishi22]

Would the Suns add a conditional '23 1st in a Shamet/Saric for Christian Wood and Frank Ntilikina deal? If so, what conditions would be required?

I wouldn't. Wood is nice, wanted him in the offseason but we were focused on KD....I don't like Franky Smokes and while it would be great to offload Shamet and Saric, the conditions I would add to the 1st would be so restrictive, it may as well be a 2nd or two.

No clue why Dallas would do it....Wood is like their 2nd best player