Ayton: Post Suns Haters

[garrick]

You realize Ayton had over 44 games where he avg over 14 rpg for the suns

Total Rebound Pct
2018-19 NBA 18.5 (15th)
2020-21 NBA 19.5 (5th)
2021-22 NBA 18.6 (12th)
2022-23 NBA 18.1 (17th)
2023-24 NBA 25.9 (1st)
Career Playoffs 17.8 (21st)
Career NBA Playoffs 17.8 (19th)

I think if you look at his rb pct, i is avg for a big

Yeah we also have high rebound rate for guards as well.

He's consistently been top 10 in rebounds which is not shabby.

Since he's getting way less touches I can see him having a career rebounding season since the offense is not looking to involve him in any way.

[bwgood77]

he has a career high in rebounds now. SMH, WHY WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY you could not alway play like this

he is doing what i thought he should do in that situation. try to lead the league in rebounds and have that be his claim to fame. but yeah, if only he did that **** when he was with us

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He definitely cleaned up on the boards tonight - but keep in mind Timelord DNP'd. He SHOULD be doing that against a trash team like Toronto. However against a litmus like Embiid never shows up.

He was already averaging 12 in 24mpg, 6th in the league on not a lot of mpg. RWIII hasn't been doing too much with his time when he does play. But he's injured a lot.

Why SHOULD he be doing that against Toronto? They have Poeltl who is usually a solid rebounder and a pretty big lineup with Siakam who averages pretty good rebounds, Anunoby and Barnes.

[bwgood77]

Total Rebound Pct
2018-19 NBA 18.5 (15th)
2020-21 NBA 19.5 (5th)
2021-22 NBA 18.6 (12th)
2022-23 NBA 18.1 (17th)
2023-24 NBA 25.9 (1st)
Career Playoffs 17.8 (21st)
Career NBA Playoffs 17.8 (19th)

I think if you look at his rb pct, i is avg for a big

Yeah we also have high rebound rate for guards as well.

He's consistently been top 10 in rebounds which is not shabby.

Since he's getting way less touches I can see him having a career rebounding season since the offense is not looking to involve him in any way.

Rebound % isn't great to look when looking at ranking, because a guy can play 10 mpg with tons of energy and get a lot of rebounds in those minutes since he isn't playing much, and have a high reb %.

RPG is probably the best, but you also have to compare mpg. He was usually in top 10 but also a number of the guys ahead of him played more minutes.

[garrick]

Yeah we also have high rebound rate for guards as well.

He's consistently been top 10 in rebounds which is not shabby.

Since he's getting way less touches I can see him having a career rebounding season since the offense is not looking to involve him in any way.

Rebound % isn't great to look when looking at ranking, because a guy can play 10 mpg with tons of energy and get a lot of rebounds in those minutes since he isn't playing much, and have a high reb %.

RPG is probably the best, but you also have to compare mpg. He was usually in top 10 but also a number of the guys ahead of him played more minutes.

Yeah he isn't a bad rebounder though he can have his lapses at times. I honestly don't understand this offensive strategy from Billups and can't see Ayton or anyone aside from the guards in Portland being happy with the unstructured offense.

This Portland team needs a CP3 or Rubio type point guard and I don't think Brogdan is really the answer since he seems to be a score first type of guard and he doesn't seem to prefer PnR's since he waved off a few picks from DA this game.

[bwgood77]

He's consistently been top 10 in rebounds which is not shabby.

Since he's getting way less touches I can see him having a career rebounding season since the offense is not looking to involve him in any way.

Rebound % isn't great to look when looking at ranking, because a guy can play 10 mpg with tons of energy and get a lot of rebounds in those minutes since he isn't playing much, and have a high reb %.

RPG is probably the best, but you also have to compare mpg. He was usually in top 10 but also a number of the guys ahead of him played more minutes.

Yeah he isn't a bad rebounder though he can have his lapses at times. I honestly don't understand this offensive strategy from Billups and can't see Ayton or anyone aside from the guards in Portland being happy with the unstructured offense.

This Portland team needs a CP3 or Rubio type point guard and I don't think Brogdan is really the answer since he seems to be a score first type of guard and he doesn't seem to prefer PnR's since he waved off a few picks from DA this game.

It appears him and Scoot are slowly developing a little bit of chemistry...very slowly. But Sharpe and Grant have complete tunnel vision. Scoot can too but I think he is realizing he can't drive to the rim that much against NBA quality defenders because he gets blocked a lot. The paint is always super clogged. I don't know why Billups doesn't have them spread the floor.

[enigmatics]

He was already averaging 12 in 24mpg, 6th in the league on not a lot of mpg. RWIII hasn't been doing too much with his time when he does play. But he's injured a lot.

Why SHOULD he be doing that against Toronto? They have Poeltl who is usually a solid rebounder and a pretty big lineup with Siakam who averages pretty good rebounds, Anunoby and Barnes.

Siakam is a finesse guy who's averaged like 6-7 boards a game for his career.

RWIII being injured a lot is irrelevant. The two have each played roughly the same amount thru the first three games, so him being out and DA getting more minutes naturally some of that production went DA's way. The Blazers also didn't have any other true bigs playing tonight in a game that was a brick fest.

Good on DA - especially the 7 offensive boards, but I stand by my comments regarding the Raps. Btw they give up the 5th most OffRebs per game, 4th worse in DefRebs allowed, and 2nd to last in total opponent rebs. Keep in mind when we're talking about rebounding often times that's an "effort" related dynamic.

That situation out there in Toronto is on the verge of total implosion IMO. Masai is an idiot.

[KdoubleDees23]

What I love from suns fans……

We only need him to rebound and play his role!!!

Now suns fans: yeah he’s rebounding good and 2nd in the league , but he is only avg about 10 ppg and needs to be scoring more !

Hypocrites!!!

[enigmatics]

What I love from suns fans……

We only need him to rebound and play his role!!!

Now suns fans: yeah he’s rebounding good and 2nd in the league , but he is only avg about 10 ppg and needs to be scoring more !

Hypocrites!!!

He didn't want that role on the Suns.

[KdoubleDees23]

What I love from suns fans……

We only need him to rebound and play his role!!!

Now suns fans: yeah he’s rebounding good and 2nd in the league , but he is only avg about 10 ppg and needs to be scoring more !

Hypocrites!!!

He didn't want that role on the Suns.

Did you ask him? What role did he want ? Would like to know the discussion you had with Ayton

[enigmatics]

What I love from suns fans……

We only need him to rebound and play his role!!!

Now suns fans: yeah he’s rebounding good and 2nd in the league , but he is only avg about 10 ppg and needs to be scoring more !

Hypocrites!!!

He didn't want that role on the Suns.

Did you ask him? What role did he want ? Would like to know the discussion you had with Ayton

Holy sh- you are dense.

Have you already forgotten his presser conference comments about the Suns honoring his desire to be traded? Go have another fireball shot.

[handsome salary]

What I love from suns fans……

We only need him to rebound and play his role!!!

Now suns fans: yeah he’s rebounding good and 2nd in the league , but he is only avg about 10 ppg and needs to be scoring more !

Hypocrites!!!

You should listen to/read the complaints about him just the past two years. Lack of hustle, checking out, standing around watching the ball, playing smaller than his size, poor box outs, no improvement in ball handling, dribbling or passing, having to be coddled. Rebounding numbers were not high on that list.

[enigmatics]

What I love from suns fans……

We only need him to rebound and play his role!!!

Now suns fans: yeah he’s rebounding good and 2nd in the league , but he is only avg about 10 ppg and needs to be scoring more !

Hypocrites!!!

You should listen to/read the complaints about him just the past two years. Lack of hustle, checking out, standing around watching the ball, playing smaller than his size, poor box outs, no improvement in ball handling, dribbling or passing, having to be coddled. Rebounding numbers were not high on that list.

Ya, we've already been down this road with DA regarding rebounds.

In his 5 years with the Suns he had 4 games of > 20 boards and 26 games of > 16 boards. We already know what he's capable of in that department.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Guys I don't know why you engage on this over and over. He's either straight up trolling or so obtuse it's never going to register.

It just turns into endless strawman discussions.

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[KdoubleDees23]

Guys I don't know why you engage on this over and over. He's either straight up trolling or so obtuse it's never going to register.

It just turns into endless strawman discussions.

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Goes both ways. I’m just saying y’all need to move on. If y’all move on this stops. No respect for a guy who led the suns to one of 3 finals in the history of the org and you mad at him lol grow up

[bwgood77]

He was already averaging 12 in 24mpg, 6th in the league on not a lot of mpg. RWIII hasn't been doing too much with his time when he does play. But he's injured a lot.

Why SHOULD he be doing that against Toronto? They have Poeltl who is usually a solid rebounder and a pretty big lineup with Siakam who averages pretty good rebounds, Anunoby and Barnes.

Siakam is a finesse guy who's averaged like 6-7 boards a game for his career.

RWIII being injured a lot is irrelevant. The two have each played roughly the same amount thru the first three games, so him being out and DA getting more minutes naturally some of that production went DA's way. The Blazers also didn't have any other true bigs playing tonight in a game that was a brick fest.

Good on DA - especially the 7 offensive boards, but I stand by my comments regarding the Raps. Btw they give up the 5th most OffRebs per game, 4th worse in DefRebs allowed, and 2nd to last in total opponent rebs. Keep in mind when we're talking about rebounding often times that's an "effort" related dynamic.

That situation out there in Toronto is on the verge of total implosion IMO. Masai is an idiot.

Siakam has averaged 8.5 and 7.8 the last two years. Very solid for a PF.

Ayton's backup last night, Jabari Walker averages more per 36 than RWIII anyway.

Ayton is leading the NBA in rebounding. He is averaging 20 per 36. RWIII, despite playing fewer minutes, so having more energy, is averaging 8.9 per 36.

Strange arguments you have there.

[enigmatics]

Siakam has averaged 8.5 and 7.8 the last two years. Very solid for a PF.

Ayton's backup last night, Jabari Walker averages more per 36 than RWIII anyway.

Ayton is leading the NBA in rebounding. He is averaging 20 per 36. RWIII, despite playing fewer minutes, so having more energy, is averaging 8.9 per 36.

Strange arguments you have there.

Right back at you broksi.

You hang your hat on 4 games when it comes to DA and in the same breath refuse evidence that Toronto has been a crappy rebounding team in that same timeframe even though the numbers show it. Games like his turds vs. top tier competition (i.e. Embiid) shhhhh don't talk about that.

Jabrari Walker isn't even a true center and dude played a whopping 15mins. I couldn't care less what his "per 36 is" which is a very manipulative stat when it comes to deep bench guys who don't get significant minutes. No man on this planet would play him over Timelord when both are healthy so what are we even talking about.

It's just funny to me how much praise this guy needs for REBOUNDING - on a team with a relatively thin front line and a bunch of chuckers bombing away. Again the guy had 4 games of > 20 boards with the Suns and 26 of > 16 boards. It didn't translate into much outside of the '21 season. Based on his talent alone he SHOULD be averaging at least 10 boards a game. Now if he persists this year with some crazy number in the upper teens I'll gladly admit his effort has gone up.

[Bogyo]

Guys I don't know why you engage on this over and over. He's either straight up trolling or so obtuse it's never going to register.

It just turns into endless strawman discussions.

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while yes, sometimes it feels funny to rub the nose of the "YoUDonKNOwBusKetbalL" in their own feces

[enigmatics]

Guys I don't know why you engage on this over and over. He's either straight up trolling or so obtuse it's never going to register.

It just turns into endless strawman discussions.

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Goes both ways. I’m just saying y’all need to move on. If y’all move on this stops. No respect for a guy who led the suns to one of 3 finals in the history of the org and you mad at him lol grow up

Led the Suns?

[KdoubleDees23]

Siakam has averaged 8.5 and 7.8 the last two years. Very solid for a PF.

Ayton's backup last night, Jabari Walker averages more per 36 than RWIII anyway.

Ayton is leading the NBA in rebounding. He is averaging 20 per 36. RWIII, despite playing fewer minutes, so having more energy, is averaging 8.9 per 36.

Strange arguments you have there.

Right back at you broksi.

You hang your hat on 4 games when it comes to DA and in the same breath refuse evidence that Toronto has been a crappy rebounding team in that same timeframe even though the numbers show it. Games like his turds vs. top tier competition (i.e. Embiid) shhhhh don't talk about that.

Jabrari Walker isn't even a true center and dude played a whopping 15mins. I couldn't care less what his "per 36 is" which is a very manipulative stat when it comes to deep bench guys who don't get significant minutes. No man on this planet would play him over Timelord when both are healthy so what are we even talking about.

It's just funny to me how much praise this guy needs for REBOUNDING - on a team with a relatively thin front line and a bunch of chuckers bombing away. Again the guy had 4 games of > 20 boards with the Suns and 26 of > 16 boards. It didn't translate into much outside of the '21 season. Based on his talent alone he SHOULD be averaging at least 10 boards a game. Now if he persists this year with some crazy number in the upper teens I'll gladly admit his effort has gone up.

So every center should get over 20 rebounds vs raptors or they suck ! I’ll mark that down

[KdoubleDees23]

Guys I don't know why you engage on this over and over. He's either straight up trolling or so obtuse it's never going to register.

It just turns into endless strawman discussions.

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Goes both ways. I’m just saying y’all need to move on. If y’all move on this stops. No respect for a guy who led the suns to one of 3 finals in the history of the org and you mad at him lol grow up

Led the Suns?

he actually won a couple games for us that year .