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Posted: Tue Jan 9, 2024 5:58 am
The “Big 3s don’t work” crowd is salivating and I don’t blame them at all
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lilfishi22 wrote:Golanator wrote:We might be in trouble. I don't know how you can fix this.
The easiest change is always to change coaches. Moving guys around is difficult because of the salary cap but coaching staff is outside of those limitations so we may just need to pull the plug
Stix wrote:Beal not moving the needle. Any stats he puts up are empty because you can get the same production, if not more, from Grayson. If we had traded Ayton first, they wouldve never traded for Beal. Beal is a huge problem now because he eats up 46mil in salary and can go down at any time with the break of a nail.
darealjuice wrote:The “Big 3s don’t work” crowd is salivating and I don’t blame them at all
Qwigglez wrote:Golanator wrote:We might be in trouble. I don't know how you can fix this.
Is it possible to fix?
Suns put all of their eggs into one basket and now the eggs are rotten. We don't have any draft capital, we don't have any youth, we don't have any cap space. A new coach might be refreshing, but we aren't getting a Tyron Lue clone.
Suns seriously need to find it within themselves. The issue is, I don't recall any team just turning things around, and while I don't think the players will resent each other, they will simply just ask to be traded. There is no accountability anymore.
Golanator wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:Golanator wrote:We might be in trouble. I don't know how you can fix this.
The easiest change is always to change coaches. Moving guys around is difficult because of the salary cap but coaching staff is outside of those limitations so we may just need to pull the plug
I think we could have a coaching staff of prime Pop, Phil Jackson and Erik Spoelstra and they would struggle with this team. The defense is a disaster. All 3 stars don't want to shoot 3's. We can't rebound. We have 3 elite mid range guys, which great, but it's still not a great shot when the other team has a layup line and shoots >50% from deep.
It's fantasy land and neither Beal (NTC) or Toronto would do this but Beal for Siakam I think would help a lot. Play KD at the 3. We need to play bigger like the Nuggets have with Jokic/Gordon/MPJ.
I love Book but I'm also ready to move past the Point Book experiment. The issue is we have no options there either.
AtheJ415 wrote:Honest question here -- with how awful this team plays and given how we defend like we're in an exhibition all star game, if you added Steph Curry to this team, would we even be much better?
We wouldn't rebound. Wouldn't defend. It's ridiculous that we have the players we have and suck this badly.
Golanator wrote:Qwigglez wrote:Golanator wrote:We might be in trouble. I don't know how you can fix this.
Is it possible to fix?
Suns put all of their eggs into one basket and now the eggs are rotten. We don't have any draft capital, we don't have any youth, we don't have any cap space. A new coach might be refreshing, but we aren't getting a Tyron Lue clone.
Suns seriously need to find it within themselves. The issue is, I don't recall any team just turning things around, and while I don't think the players will resent each other, they will simply just ask to be traded. There is no accountability anymore.
Qwigglez you're supposed to make me feel better
Qwigglez wrote:Booker ends up with 0 rebounds the last two games. Kyrie Irving is 6 foot 2 inches tall, is averaging 9 rebounds the last 4 games. I just don't understand why the effort level isn't there.
lilfishi22 wrote:Golanator wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:The easiest change is always to change coaches. Moving guys around is difficult because of the salary cap but coaching staff is outside of those limitations so we may just need to pull the plug
I think we could have a coaching staff of prime Pop, Phil Jackson and Erik Spoelstra and they would struggle with this team. The defense is a disaster. All 3 stars don't want to shoot 3's. We can't rebound. We have 3 elite mid range guys, which great, but it's still not a great shot when the other team has a layup line and shoots >50% from deep.
It's fantasy land and neither Beal (NTC) or Toronto would do this but Beal for Siakam I think would help a lot. Play KD at the 3. We need to play bigger like the Nuggets have with Jokic/Gordon/MPJ.
I love Book but I'm also ready to move past the Point Book experiment. The issue is we have no options there either.
My view now is that if we're not playing great defense anyway, we might as well try and be elite at offense. It was mentioned that Vogel's defensive schemes are complex and needs time to really get across it but I kind of think we should just simplify it as much as possible and just go all out offensively. We're not going to win many games being middle of the pack defensively and outside the top 10 offensively so we might as well throw caution to the wind and do whatever we can get to get into the top 5 in offense even at the expense of being a bottom 10 defensive team.
I don't think Vogel is the kind of coach that would endorse and run that kind of system which is why I think we may need to just make a call on his Suns tenure. I highly doubt D'Antoni is keen to get back into coaching at 72 but if we're not playing great D we might as well hand the reigns to one of the most balls to the wall offense coach in NBA history.
Golanator wrote:darealjuice wrote:The “Big 3s don’t work” crowd is salivating and I don’t blame them at all
Big 3's can still work, but maybe not ours?
Do the Nuggets not have a big 3 with their 3 max guys? The 2021/22 Warriors also had 3 max guys (Steph, Klay, Wiggins) and Draymond almost making a max.
Qwigglez wrote:Golanator wrote:Qwigglez wrote:
Is it possible to fix?
Suns put all of their eggs into one basket and now the eggs are rotten. We don't have any draft capital, we don't have any youth, we don't have any cap space. A new coach might be refreshing, but we aren't getting a Tyron Lue clone.
Suns seriously need to find it within themselves. The issue is, I don't recall any team just turning things around, and while I don't think the players will resent each other, they will simply just ask to be traded. There is no accountability anymore.
Qwigglez you're supposed to make me feel better
I can send you a trade on Dynasty, that might cheer ya up.
lilfishi22 wrote:Golanator wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:The easiest change is always to change coaches. Moving guys around is difficult because of the salary cap but coaching staff is outside of those limitations so we may just need to pull the plug
I think we could have a coaching staff of prime Pop, Phil Jackson and Erik Spoelstra and they would struggle with this team. The defense is a disaster. All 3 stars don't want to shoot 3's. We can't rebound. We have 3 elite mid range guys, which great, but it's still not a great shot when the other team has a layup line and shoots >50% from deep.
It's fantasy land and neither Beal (NTC) or Toronto would do this but Beal for Siakam I think would help a lot. Play KD at the 3. We need to play bigger like the Nuggets have with Jokic/Gordon/MPJ.
I love Book but I'm also ready to move past the Point Book experiment. The issue is we have no options there either.
My view now is that if we're not playing great defense anyway, we might as well try and be elite at offense. It was mentioned that Vogel's defensive schemes are complex and needs time to really get across it but I kind of think we should just simplify it as much as possible and just go all out offensively. We're not going to win many games being middle of the pack defensively and outside the top 10 offensively so we might as well throw caution to the wind and do whatever we can get to get into the top 5 in offense even at the expense of being a bottom 10 defensive team.
I don't think Vogel is the kind of coach that would endorse and run that kind of system which is why I think we may need to just make a call on his Suns tenure. I highly doubt D'Antoni is keen to get back into coaching at 72 but if we're not playing great D we might as well hand the reigns to one of the most balls to the wall offense coach in NBA history.
Qwigglez wrote:AtheJ415 wrote:Honest question here -- with how awful this team plays and given how we defend like we're in an exhibition all star game, if you added Steph Curry to this team, would we even be much better?
We wouldn't rebound. Wouldn't defend. It's ridiculous that we have the players we have and suck this badly.
Unsure if the team even enjoys playing basketball. I see people at my local gym give more effort playing basketball than the guys wearing Suns uniforms.
Would Steph Curry hold the guys accountable? I feel like that is more of a Draymond Green type role. Suns need a leader.
garrick wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:Golanator wrote:
I think we could have a coaching staff of prime Pop, Phil Jackson and Erik Spoelstra and they would struggle with this team. The defense is a disaster. All 3 stars don't want to shoot 3's. We can't rebound. We have 3 elite mid range guys, which great, but it's still not a great shot when the other team has a layup line and shoots >50% from deep.
It's fantasy land and neither Beal (NTC) or Toronto would do this but Beal for Siakam I think would help a lot. Play KD at the 3. We need to play bigger like the Nuggets have with Jokic/Gordon/MPJ.
I love Book but I'm also ready to move past the Point Book experiment. The issue is we have no options there either.
My view now is that if we're not playing great defense anyway, we might as well try and be elite at offense. It was mentioned that Vogel's defensive schemes are complex and needs time to really get across it but I kind of think we should just simplify it as much as possible and just go all out offensively. We're not going to win many games being middle of the pack defensively and outside the top 10 offensively so we might as well throw caution to the wind and do whatever we can get to get into the top 5 in offense even at the expense of being a bottom 10 defensive team.
I don't think Vogel is the kind of coach that would endorse and run that kind of system which is why I think we may need to just make a call on his Suns tenure. I highly doubt D'Antoni is keen to get back into coaching at 72 but if we're not playing great D we might as well hand the reigns to one of the most balls to the wall offense coach in NBA history.
I don't even know why Ishbia/Thomas chose Vogel as the head coach as he wasn't ever known as a great offensive coach and our roster doesn't suggest that we are going to be an elite defensive team anytime soon. It's just one of the many curious and disastrous decisions our glorious owner has made which is backfiring spectacularly.
darealjuice wrote:Golanator wrote:darealjuice wrote:The “Big 3s don’t work” crowd is salivating and I don’t blame them at all
Big 3's can still work, but maybe not ours?
Do the Nuggets not have a big 3 with their 3 max guys? The 2021/22 Warriors also had 3 max guys (Steph, Klay, Wiggins) and Draymond almost making a max.
I think it can work with the right pieces. Clippers have worked well, but they also fit together much better. We don't fit the same way.
I think of a Big 3 as 3 guys that would be the best player on a few other teams, so I don't know if I'd consider those teams in that category, but it's all in the eye of the beholder anyways.