Welcome Ryan Dunn

Fo-Real · Post #121 » by **Fo-Real** » Wed Jul 3, 2024 7:20 pm

Summer league!!!

Ghost of Kleine · Post #122 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Fri Jul 5, 2024 3:33 pm

Ghost of Kleine · Post #123 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Fri Jul 5, 2024 4:02 pm

I like what Saul Bookman speaks to about the very slow pace of Virginia, the very low possessions and limited opportunities offensively too.

And then Jones himself speaking to the way that Dunn shot the ball in his workouts to validate that the AZ sports reports article by Jonathan Givony wasn't just lip service or some favor possibly to help Dunn get drafted at a higher range. If anyone should know about and understand shooting, it's probably James Jones after all.

Post #124 » by **lilfishi22** » Sun Jul 7, 2024 6:51 am

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what we realized was there's still a lot of work, a lot of room for growth

Also tells me he's got a long ways to go

Mulhollanddrive · Post #125 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sun Jul 7, 2024 1:21 pm

We can all think what we want until he puts up shots in games.

I'm not delusional about a 20% 3pt and 52% FT shooter but if there's new evidence I look forward to seeing it.

RedIndian · Post #126 » by **RedIndian** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:11 am

Man, it's going to be so so exciting if Dunn can hit his shots. Would be an absolute home run of a pick, and something to really get excited about for the future:

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Post #127 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 4:26 pm

RedIndian wrote:Man, it's going to be so so exciting if Dunn can hit his shots. Would be an absolute home run of a pick, and something to really get excited about for the future:

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Yeah, if he is able to shoot in the NBA relatively quickly, it's a game changer, but I'm cautiously optimistic that if it happens, it will do so quickly.

The primary thing will be confidence and willingness to shoot. I wouldn't give him too much responsibility too quickly....don't want to destroy his confidence on that end.

I am sure some for whatever reason will not wanting him to play at all in the G league, but I think if you put him down there and he proves it there, then you move him up and gradually increase his playing time. Even if you move him up and down quickly to get him games in between our games. Just a gradual gain of confidence on that end is important. If he could by the end of the year get up to a 70% shooter from the line and maybe 32% from 3 I will be very happy.

garrick · Post #128 » by **garrick** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 4:35 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
RedIndian wrote:Man, it's going to be so so exciting if Dunn can hit his shots. Would be an absolute home run of a pick, and something to really get excited about for the future:

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Yeah, if he is able to shoot in the NBA relatively quickly, it's a game changer, but I'm cautiously optimistic that if it happens, it will do so quickly.

The primary thing will be confidence and willingness to shoot. I wouldn't give him too much responsibility too quickly....don't want to destroy his confidence on that end.

I am sure some for whatever reason will not wanting him to play at all in the G league, but I think if you put him down there and he proves it there, then you move him up and gradually increase his playing time. Even if you move him up and down quickly to get him games in between our games. Just a gradual gain of confidence on that end is important. If he could by the end of the year get up to a 70% shooter from the line and maybe 32% from 3 I will be very happy.

I don't really take 3pt shooting in practices very seriously because most NBA players are able to knock down 3's in practice but in game situations is a different matter.

Same thing with free throws, notoriously bad free throw shooters like Shaq could make them during practice but during games we all know how bad he was shooting free throws.

Post #129 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 4:41 pm

garrick wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
RedIndian wrote:Man, it's going to be so so exciting if Dunn can hit his shots. Would be an absolute home run of a pick, and something to really get excited about for the future:

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Yeah, if he is able to shoot in the NBA relatively quickly, it's a game changer, but I'm cautiously optimistic that if it happens, it will do so quickly.

The primary thing will be confidence and willingness to shoot. I wouldn't give him too much responsibility too quickly....don't want to destroy his confidence on that end.

I am sure some for whatever reason will not wanting him to play at all in the G league, but I think if you put him down there and he proves it there, then you move him up and gradually increase his playing time. Even if you move him up and down quickly to get him games in between our games. Just a gradual gain of confidence on that end is important. If he could by the end of the year get up to a 70% shooter from the line and maybe 32% from 3 I will be very happy.

I don't really take 3pt shooting in practices very seriously because most NBA players are able to knock down 3's in practice but in game situations is a different matter.

Same thing with free throws, notoriously bad free throw shooters like Shaq could make them during practice but during games we all know how bad he was shooting free throws.

I don't either, which is why I mention G league. I just mean they need him shooting a ton, and not uncontested. Put one of our better defenders on him after he gets up a couple hundred shots per day for awhile. When we play scrimmages, have him shoot a ton, even if he is missing.

I don't think hitting them in practice uncontested, or even in summer league due to lack of defense is that big. But summer league will be better given he is in game, running, moving, setting, and we need to just see willingness to take them and not pass the ball quickly if open.

sunsbg · Post #130 » by **sunsbg** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 5:32 pm

If he builds confidence in his shot in practice, that will most likely translate in real games. Summer league showing will tell a bit more if he's anywhere close to being part of the rotation.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #131 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:44 pm

Shawn Marion without shooting

Slim Charless · Post #132 » by **Slim Charless** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:40 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Shawn Marion without shooting

Better defender.

wheezy · Post #133 » by **wheezy** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:12 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Shawn Marion without shooting

Better defender.

Yeah no... Dunn has done literally nothing in the NBA and Shawn was criminally underrated as a defender.

Slim Charless · Post #134 » by **Slim Charless** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:49 pm

wheezy wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Shawn Marion without shooting

Better defender.

Yeah no... Dunn has done literally nothing in the NBA and Shawn was criminally underrated as a defender.

Better defender coming out is what I mean. Obviously we won't know till games start but Marion didn't have the tools Dunn has.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #135 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:20 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
wheezy wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
Better defender.

Yeah no... Dunn has done literally nothing in the NBA and Shawn was criminally underrated as a defender.

Better defender coming out is what I mean. Obviously we won't know till games start but Marion didn't have the tools Dunn has.

Blasphemy.

Shawn Marion was perhaps the best defensive player in the history of this franchise. The Matrix exposes All-Defense selections as a lie. Dude was averaging 20, 10, 2 blocks and 2 steals in his prime. People said he couldn't shoot because the form was ugly, but neglected to notice he knocked 'em down. One of the best transition wings there's ever been. Crazy wingspan with crazy hops and perhaps the quickest second jump in the history of the game. Defended all 5 positions.

I say the man's hops were crazy, but I swear that in his rookie year, before he was undercut by John Starks while flying for a rebound vs the Jazz, the man could literally levitate 3 feet off the ground.

Underrated is wildly understating it. Shawn Marion is the greatest SF and the greatest defensive player in this franchise's history.

You must not have been there...

WeekapaugGroove · Post #136 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:52 pm

Yeah if Marion played about ten years later we would have been more appreciated for his versatile D. He also got overshadowed by Amare who was a more exciting player but IMO not as good as Marion.

As far as Dunns shooting, we'll see. Some guys develop and some just don't. Look at a guy like Okogie, his form looks pretty good but it just doesn't go in as much as you would like. Speaking of Okogie I have no issues bringing him back and 'blocking' Dunn because if Dunn can't beat him out for minutes he shouldn't be playing.

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Slim Charless · Post #137 » by **Slim Charless** » Sat Jul 13, 2024 7:45 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
wheezy wrote:Yeah no... Dunn has done literally nothing in the NBA and Shawn was criminally underrated as a defender.

Better defender coming out is what I mean. Obviously we won't know till games start but Marion didn't have the tools Dunn has.

Blasphemy.

Shawn Marion was perhaps the best defensive player in the history of this franchise. The Matrix exposes All-Defense selections as a lie. Dude was averaging 20, 10, 2 blocks and 2 steals in his prime. People said he couldn't shoot because the form was ugly, but neglected to notice he knocked 'em down. One of the best transition wings there's ever been. Crazy wingspan with crazy hops and perhaps the quickest second jump in the history of the game. Defended all 5 positions.

I say the man's hops were crazy, but I swear that in his rookie year, before he was undercut by John Starks while flying for a rebound vs the Jazz, the man could literally levitate 3 feet off the ground.

Underrated is wildly understating it. Shawn Marion is the greatest SF and the greatest defensive player in this franchise's history.

You must not have been there...

I'll grant you he was great during his time....tho our numbers weren't good even though we had him and Raja. Maybe that was a Dantoni problem.

Doesn't change the fact that coming out Dunn looks better and is more accomplished. He's simply put seen as a better defender at this point then Marion was.

I do love how guys defend him still BTW. You asked if I remembered him. I do. I also remember him refusing to go to Boston-which would've landed us Garnett. The Celtics got KG instead and we saw how that worked out. Only for Marion to whine about getting traded to Miami like a month later...and then get his ring in Dallas by busting his ass not whining like he always did here.

He was great while he was here.....but **** Shawn Marion. I never liked him after that Boston stunt he pulled.

Fo-Real · Post #138 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Jul 13, 2024 8:20 pm

Please don't expect world beaters for summer league. Temper expectations, we have projects not true plug and play dominators. These rookies have developing to do.

Saberestar · Post #139 » by **Saberestar** » Sun Jul 14, 2024 9:52 am

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RedIndian · Post #140 » by **RedIndian** » Sun Jul 14, 2024 10:44 am

Watched the whole game today. Dunn's defense was excellent, but boy his ball-handling and passing have a looong way to go before you can have him do anything on offense.

The shot didn't look too bad, even though he went 0-3 from three.

Have to say, the guard play sucked - Buie was a ball-hog and didn't get anyone involved. Devoe was better at scoring, but not much of a facilitator either.

Gillespie would have really helped this roster. Even Oso is a guy who needs a good guard if he is to look good.