Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

[JMac1]

I'd be hugely surprised if we take him, doesn't fit McDonough's profile.

I was reading the same things about Doug McDermott last year about his offensive being compared to Kevin Love.

These guys are going outside the top 10 for a reason. The ones I'd target are high risk, as that's the reason, not lack of upside.

the same reason why Kwahi, Butler, Klay and others went out of the top ten; and why guys like Johnny Flynn, "Thabeet, Mayo, Wes Johsnon went in the top ten.......

[ATTL]

Wes Johnson was a confusing pick. 23 years old so he beat up on younger players, "late bloomer", couldn't create off the dribble. Those are never good signs when evaluating talent.

[Saberestar]

Oklahoma City Thunder need a back up point guard, and it appears as if they've zeroed in on Cameron Payne to the point that they've given him a draft-night promise. ESPN's Chad Ford has more:
"As for the Thunder, since late last week there's been a lot of buzz among rival GMs that the Thunder promised Cameron Payne they'd take him at 14. I don't know how much of that is smoke, but he is a great fit at 14 and talent wise he may be the best pure point guard in the draft."

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/thun ... yne-052915

[letsgosuns]

I am all for trading this pick to get a better, older player. The biggest problem with college players today is that so many come out way too soon. Playing one year of college is not enough. It is incredibly rare for players to be super young and dominate immediately. Look at Michael Jordan. Three years of college before he came to the NBA. Several young players nowadays lack basic fundamentals and it is ridiculous. Look at Goodwin. Boat load of talent (I wish he would play more), but he lacks the most important thing for a shooting guard which is a good jump shot. That is most likely the biggest reason he does not get playing time. If he stayed in college longer, he would have been able to work on that part of his game and been much more prepared when he entered the NBA.

[DirtyDez]

Oklahoma City Thunder need a back up point guard, and it appears as if they've zeroed in on Cameron Payne to the point that they've given him a draft-night promise. ESPN's Chad Ford has more:
"As for the Thunder, since late last week there's been a lot of buzz among rival GMs that the Thunder promised Cameron Payne they'd take him at 14. I don't know how much of that is smoke, but he is a great fit at 14 and talent wise he may be the best pure point guard in the draft."

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/thun ... yne-052915

Would love him here. I don't really buy the Thunder rumors though. They're probably the last team that needs a PG with Westbrook/Augustine.

[BobbieL]

I think the Suns need to trade out of the pick and get older more veteran presence. By my count the Suns have:

Bledsoe
Knight
Warren
Bullock
Goodwin
Len
the Morri

All around that 25 or 26 year range. Add in Bogdanovich and draft choices (one this year, the Celtics pick in 2016, Suns pick in 2016) and the Suns are pretty young and getting younger. They need to get a guy a bit older and smarter.

So with the 13 pick - trade it
With the 43er pick - draft a guy to stash overseas - high upside kick that can be boom or bust.

[DirtyDez]

Age doesn't equal success. Who is this vet we're trading for that's making us better right away? I could be wrong but I think McD is just BS'ing with this trade talk. Not sure there's a GM who values draft picks more than McDonough does. So far his two lotto picks have been Alex Len and TJ Warren. I'd like to see the third.

[bwgood77]

Here is a good article from BSoTS. Obviously I'm sure most of us hope they keep the pick and trade some players (for me it's mostly just Marcus Morris) if anything and not picks but it's a good read.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/ ... ng-players

Also, I have always thought of McD as a guy who would draft guys solely on high upside as opposed to immediate contribution. Now that this focus is in place, I guess it makes sense that it would be more likely for him to go after a more nba ready guy like Kaminsky over a one and done guy.

[batsmasher]

Here is a good article from BSoTS. Obviously I'm sure most of us hope they keep the pick and trade some players (for me it's mostly just Marcus Morris) if anything and not picks but it's a good read.

Horny is such a damn cluey coach. Letting him go one way or another would completely set the franchise back. His hands are tied behind his back at the moment with all this inexperience, and he knows it.

There's probably a good enough foundation of talent now (Bled, Len, Archie, TJ, BK, Kieff(?)) to sway away from BPA and possibly even trade out of the draft.

[kennydorglas]

Bobby Portis Reveals Pregame Motivation Comes From Envisioning Someone Hitting His Mom

oh my.

[thamadkant]

Smoke screen aside, Looney, Turner, Portis... would be the "high upside/need" picks.
Wouldnt be surprise if they go Booker, since Gerald Green is a FA and is likely to NOT re-sign with Suns due to some team will offer him 7+ million.

[thamadkant]

Bobby Portis Reveals Pregame Motivation Comes From Envisioning Someone Hitting His Mom

oh my.

I'll be honest, I didnt like him... reminds me of Markieff Morris too much and I dont want the Suns to have another ISO type PF.

But, when I heard he base his game to Kevin Garnett... I started watching videos and games.

The one significant thing he has over Markieff already is his defense... he moves laterally very well, covers and disrupts big and small players.
He doesnt have freakish length like Garnett did.. so I dont think he will be the defender KG was, but if the effort and IQ is there, then its a huge plus at the PF spot.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I'd like the FO to come out with the same plan, instead of doing PR for their own jobs.

McDonough keeps building and building, his work looks good for a GM on paper. Hornacek wants players who can win now so he can always be a playoff contending coach and avoid the zone where most coaches get fired. Babby was a win now guy in a different regime, so he's probably just as confused/happy he's still there. Sarver's ideal scenario is lots of revenue for as long as possible, but doesn't exactly know what's best to achieve it.

Projecting all that onto our draft picks, who knows what we'll do.

[Saberestar]

The New York Knicks are enamored with Trey Lyles, according to Frank Isola of NY Daily News.

Per NY Daily News, Lyles is a 6-foot-10 forward out of Indianapolis who Phil Jackson sees as a good fit for the triangle offense.
Would the Knicks select Lyles with the fourth overall pick? Crazier things have happened and if Jackson truly believes Lyles, the 2014 Indiana Mr. Basketball who was born in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, and has played internationally for the U.S. and Canada, is worth it, perhaps he’ll make the move. A more plausible scenario would be for the Knicks to trade down, since most draft experts don’t see him as a top 10 pick.

We can work a trade around that :
Calderon, #4
for
#13

Obviously we have to add more value, but we have the base.

[BobbieL]

Age doesn't equal success. Who is this vet we're trading for that's making us better right away? I could be wrong but I think McD is just BS'ing with this trade talk. Not sure there's a GM who values draft picks more than McDonough does. So far his two lotto picks have been Alex Len and TJ Warren. I'd like to see the third.

In the NBA - age doesn't equal success but usually experience does. So, you ask a fair question - who is this veteran that I want traded for? Honestly, do not have an answer.

But I just know in the NBA, teams that win usually have a group of guys in the late 20's as opposed to the Suns current rotation of young to mid 20's. The Suns other problem is the Morri - but that's a different problem for Ryan to figure

Also, I think the Suns have "too many bodies" - meaning they have 15 guys under contract, draft picks still coming, Bogdanovich - I think the roster needs balancing out - and I am not saying its easy. But a guy like Patric Young and what he brings - might be a better value for the team than the 13th pick who is more talented, but just sits on the end of the bench. I am not advocating trading away the pick for cash. That screwed the team up. Just rebalancing the roster. Guys that bring energy - and maybe that is what Patric Young brings - add value to a roster. A point guard that may just handle the ball, play solid defense and not be the best scorer, may add value off the bench. Isiah Thomas was a bad fit because the Suns already had two scoring PGs - but that's on Ryan. Actually Ish Smith was a better fit for the Suns than Isiah Thomas. So, this offseason, Ryas third, he has to bring a big time A. A grade of a B+ just might not cut it.

[Cutter]

Bobby Portis Reveals Pregame Motivation Comes From Envisioning Someone Hitting His Mom

oh my.

I'll be honest, I didnt like him... reminds me of Markieff Morris too much and I dont want the Suns to have another ISO type PF.

But, when I heard he base his game to Kevin Garnett... I started watching videos and games.

The one significant thing he has over Markieff already is his defense... he moves laterally very well, covers and disrupts big and small players.
He doesnt have freakish length like Garnett did.. so I dont think he will be the defender KG was, but if the effort and IQ is there, then its a huge plus at the PF spot.

I'm not sure the Suns are really interested in Portis. They might take a token look at him, but the dude has headcase written all over him.

[kennydorglas]

Bobby Portis Reveals Pregame Motivation Comes From Envisioning Someone Hitting His Mom

oh my.

I'll be honest, I didnt like him... reminds me of Markieff Morris too much and I dont want the Suns to have another ISO type PF.

But, when I heard he base his game to Kevin Garnett... I started watching videos and games.

The one significant thing he has over Markieff already is his defense... he moves laterally very well, covers and disrupts big and small players.
He doesnt have freakish length like Garnett did.. so I dont think he will be the defender KG was, but if the effort and IQ is there, then its a huge plus at the PF spot.

Yeah, he's a bigger and more mobile version of Kieff.
I cant say enough that Kieff was a rebounding machine in KU. I always wonder what happened here.

[No-Man]

The draft for the Suns is fairly easy, whoever is there left between Turner, Kaminsky and Portis should be the pick, and I will rate in that same order.
I have Phoenix picking Kaminsky right now in my last mock.

[No-Man]

The New York Knicks are enamored with Trey Lyles, according to Frank Isola of NY Daily News.

Per NY Daily News, Lyles is a 6-foot-10 forward out of Indianapolis who Phil Jackson sees as a good fit for the triangle offense.
Would the Knicks select Lyles with the fourth overall pick? Crazier things have happened and if Jackson truly believes Lyles, the 2014 Indiana Mr. Basketball who was born in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, and has played internationally for the U.S. and Canada, is worth it, perhaps he’ll make the move. A more plausible scenario would be for the Knicks to trade down, since most draft experts don’t see him as a top 10 pick.

We can work a trade around that :
Calderon, #4
for
#13

Obviously we have to add more value, but we have the base.

If you dont add Bledsoe that doesnt work, Bledsoe, 13, 44, for Calderon, Hardaway and 4.

[kennydorglas]

haha PJ is trying so hard for someone to overpay the #4
leaking interest on ****' WCS/Lyles haha

you gotta be kiddin' me. No one will bite this crap, man.