Trade Deadline Countdown Pre-Febuary Deadline

[saintEscaton]

I'd pull the trigger and acquire Harris for the right price, but wouldn't go all in. He's being under utilized as the 4th/5th scoring option and thus is not living up to his $16 million per year salary because he's not force fed the ball or utilized in the pick n'roll. He's no slouch on the other end either. Opponents are shooting 5.4% lower in FG% against him within 6 feet and he's 15th and 14th in points per cut and paint possession respectively

[blacksun]

Okay.. From what I've been hearing. The Phx Suns FO where targeting Aaron Gordon before the show he put on last night. However, after last night his value got higher and might not happen.

One thing is clear, the Suns are starting the youth movement. Everyone is available with the exception of Booker, Len and Warren. They won't be able to trade either Knight or Bledsoe but once the summer approaches us, expects at least one of them to be traded.

I'm still trying to get the information on who the Suns are talking and who they are targeting.

This is probably the best thing ive read on this forum this year if its true. No more delusions of playoffs for Sarver.

For Tobias Harris, I dont see what all the fuss is about. Hes like the SF version of Brandon Knight. No thanks.

[jcsunsfan]

If we are talking about Gordon, our lottery pick this year might be in play.


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[AtheJ415]

He doesn't net us much by himself and isn't coveted enough to be a centerpiece in a trade.But he's more than a throw in sweetener

a late 1st, similar to where he was drafted

Goodwin has no handle, no shot, and to this point has shown no interest in playing defense. He is a throw in maybe. Wouldn't fetch us a 1st on his own. The kid has potential but not enough to garner any return value.

Yet, he's routinely putting up 20 PPG and 5-7 assists since starting. Disagree about the defense also.

[Mulhollanddrive]

On this board, the more you mention a player, the better he becomes.

Frank Kaminsky was the next Pau Gasol in June, Tobias Harris was the next Carmelo Anthony in January.

Aaron Gordon will be the next Shawn Marion by Thursday.

[saintEscaton]

a late 1st, similar to where he was drafted

Goodwin has no handle, no shot, and to this point has shown no interest in playing defense. He is a throw in maybe. Wouldn't fetch us a 1st on his own. The kid has potential but not enough to garner any return value.

Yet, he's routinely putting up 20 PPG and 5-7 assists since starting. Disagree about the defense also.

He had two quality showings against Atlanta(the buzzerbeater game) and Toronto(his best all around game) where he made an impact playing meaningful minutes But the rest has been detrimental heroballing and unimpressive statpadding in garbage time, like the 20 points he racked up against the Dubs in the second half.

[jredsaz]

a late 1st, similar to where he was drafted

Goodwin has no handle, no shot, and to this point has shown no interest in playing defense. He is a throw in maybe. Wouldn't fetch us a 1st on his own. The kid has potential but not enough to garner any return value.

Yet, he's routinely putting up 20 PPG and 5-7 assists since starting. Disagree about the defense also.

As a starter in 12 games his plus/minus is -15, averaging 16 and 4 in 35 mpg, with an Ortg of 98 and a Drtg of 118.

He has potential but as of yet he is not good enough to be valuable in any sort of trade.

[AtheJ415]

Goodwin has no handle, no shot, and to this point has shown no interest in playing defense. He is a throw in maybe. Wouldn't fetch us a 1st on his own. The kid has potential but not enough to garner any return value.

Yet, he's routinely putting up 20 PPG and 5-7 assists since starting. Disagree about the defense also.

As a starter in 12 games his plus/minus is -15, averaging 16 and 4 in 35 mpg, with an Ortg of 98 and a Drtg of 118.

He has potential but as of yet he is not good enough to be valuable in any sort of trade.

Since when is a late first all that valuable? And besides, he's 21. Not many 21 year old's have good advanced stats. Regardless of how you want to frame it, he's been impressive in the PT he's gotten this year.

[AtheJ415]

Goodwin has no handle, no shot, and to this point has shown no interest in playing defense. He is a throw in maybe. Wouldn't fetch us a 1st on his own. The kid has potential but not enough to garner any return value.

Yet, he's routinely putting up 20 PPG and 5-7 assists since starting. Disagree about the defense also.

He had two quality showings against Atlanta(the buzzerbeater game) and Toronto(his best all around game) where he made an impact playing meaningful minutes But the rest has been detrimental heroballing and unimpressive statpadding in garbage time, like the 20 points he racked up against the Dubs in the second half.

You have a habit of excusing away basically all production for anybody you aren't a fan of.

[saintEscaton]

Yet, he's routinely putting up 20 PPG and 5-7 assists since starting. Disagree about the defense also.

He had two quality showings against Atlanta(the buzzerbeater game) and Toronto(his best all around game) where he made an impact playing meaningful minutes But the rest has been detrimental heroballing and unimpressive statpadding in garbage time, like the 20 points he racked up against the Dubs in the second half.

You have a habit of excusing away basically all production for anybody you aren't a fan of.

And you have a habit of applying a double standard and exempting your favorites from your statistical litmus test

[jredsaz]

Yet, he's routinely putting up 20 PPG and 5-7 assists since starting. Disagree about the defense also.

As a starter in 12 games his plus/minus is -15, averaging 16 and 4 in 35 mpg, with an Ortg of 98 and a Drtg of 118.

He has potential but as of yet he is not good enough to be valuable in any sort of trade.

Since when is a late first all that valuable? And besides, he's 21. Not many 21 year old's have good advanced stats. Regardless of how you want to frame it, he's been impressive in the PT he's gotten this year.

Not trying to hate. But most GMs would just assume drafting their own unproven talent in the draft and have them on a rookie scale deal for the next 4 years as opposed to trading for an unproven talent who will be a restricted FA in 2017.

Just saying.

[AtheJ415]

On this board, the more you mention a player, the better he becomes.

Frank Kaminsky was the next Pau Gasol in June, Tobias Harris was the next Carmelo Anthony in January.

Aaron Gordon will be the next Shawn Marion by Thursday.

Does it count if I've always thought he was the next Marion? He was the 4th pick of a loaded class...

[thamadkant]

[Vine][/Vine]

Goodwin has no handle, no shot, and to this point has shown no interest in playing defense. He is a throw in maybe. Wouldn't fetch us a 1st on his own. The kid has potential but not enough to garner any return value.

Yet, he's routinely putting up 20 PPG and 5-7 assists since starting. Disagree about the defense also.

He had two quality showings against Atlanta(the buzzerbeater game) and Toronto(his best all around game) where he made an impact playing meaningful minutes But the rest has been detrimental heroballing and unimpressive statpadding in garbage time, like the 20 points he racked up against the Dubs in the second half.

Still 21.. And it takes talent and skill to put up numbers against Westbrook, Lowry at supposedly
Away from his natural position.

[AtheJ415]

He had two quality showings against Atlanta(the buzzerbeater game) and Toronto(his best all around game) where he made an impact playing meaningful minutes But the rest has been detrimental heroballing and unimpressive statpadding in garbage time, like the 20 points he racked up against the Dubs in the second half.

You have a habit of excusing away basically all production for anybody you aren't a fan of.

And you have a habit of applying a double standard and exempting your favorites from your statistical litmus test

Not really. I just don't expect 21 year olds to perform the same way I expect a 30 year old to. And when a 22 year old outperforms a 30 year old, I very logically state that. You just excuse away all stats whatsoever, while providing none that would suggest otherwise. At least when I discuss stats I actually bring forth ones to support my viewpoints.

[AtheJ415]

[Vine][/Vine]

Yet, he's routinely putting up 20 PPG and 5-7 assists since starting. Disagree about the defense also.

He had two quality showings against Atlanta(the buzzerbeater game) and Toronto(his best all around game) where he made an impact playing meaningful minutes But the rest has been detrimental heroballing and unimpressive statpadding in garbage time, like the 20 points he racked up against the Dubs in the second half.

Still 21.. And it takes talent and skill to put up numbers against Westbrook, Lowry at supposedly
Away from his natural position.

No way man. Those were garbage points. In reality he should be credited for 4 points, and 15 turnovers because that's how he would've performed if the other team tried.

[jcsunsfan]

So, would you trade Kieff and Archie AND our pick this year (top 2 protected) for Gordon?


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[thamadkant]

Magic are better off trading Harris than Gordon... Shame some got their hopes up here... If McD does pull it off... Then i would think Knight is going there... They need a scoring PG who can stretch thr defense...next to Oladipo.. Who cant start well next to Payton.. Both arent shooters.

[jcsunsfan]

Magic are better off trading Harris than Gordon... Shame some got their hopes up here... If McD does pull it off... Then i would think Knight is going there... They need a scoring PG who can stretch thr defense...next to Oladipo.. Who cant start well next to Payton.. Both arent shooters.

Knight and a pick?


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[AtheJ415]

So, would you trade Kieff and Archie AND our pick this year (top 2 protected) for Gordon?


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I'd want top 4 protection. Imo, Gordon is the perfect PF for our system aside from his shooting. His handles and athleticism are very much elite. But the thing is, the 3rd pick is likely Bender, who is crazy fast and can shoot the lights out at the 4, and a decent athlete on his own. I'd probably try to exchange one of our guards for dead salary (Frye) and keep the pick.

[bwgood77]

So, would you trade Kieff and Archie AND our pick this year (top 2 protected) for Gordon?


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Top 3 or 4 protected, yes, easily, and maybe the way you put it. We are quite far away and I am not sure Gordon will develop a good enough shot for us. In this league, if you don't have shooters, you are done. Bender and Ellenson look like potentially great players who CAN shoot. As good as Gordon was as a freshman in college, as amazing as it is, it is not as good as Ellenson. I know people don't want white guys at these positions, and Gordon's athleticism is enticing (I'm an AZ alum and love the guy) but from my Suns fan perspective, if we can't shoot in the future we don't have a chance. Gordon is a GREAT rebounder, but Ellenson is better in college at least, and a far better scorer, and Bender may have unlimited potential, and same with Jaylen Brown.

I don't think Orlando would do it even top 2 protected...they are probably as invested in Gordon as we are in Booker, but they seriously lack shooters...but that trade wouldn't help them much....and I think they want to win now, and as much as Sarver wants to, we likely are not ready to win for awhile, and we have zero chance against the west top 3 in the foreseeable future so we should be focused on 3-7 years from now to start really getting in there unless we can land a prize in free agency, which is extremely far fetched (far more than usual with everyone now having cap space).

Edit...I see AtheJ415 beat me to almost the exact same thing a minute before.