Frank Lee wrote:NavLDO wrote:Frank Lee wrote:This draft is a make or break for McD. I can't walk away with the joyous feeling some of you have. I rate it a C because there is no 'Incomplete' Our two prize picks are perhaps the two biggest projects on the board. Neither is ready to contribute according to ALL the experts. The fact that so many here are falling all over themselves mythically grab assing McD for his work yesterday further emphasizes my doubt. This board was the same way with the Dragic/IT/Knight debacle last yr and we have seen how that has turned out. One problem solved, but created another. The late snag of Ulis is an obvious reacharound for Booker, but he likely will contribute more than the beanpoles. If we can jettison Knight. And From what was said when Bender was selected... he was McD's boy all along, while Chriss was Sarver's. I guess I am just not that excited about a player whose greatest attribute is his athleticism while his greatest weakness is his BBIQ. Thats a dangerous combination.
I wasn't expecting much, but to say this is an 'all-time ' great draft by us is a starry eyed gaze into a crystal ball set on 2+ yrs.
There is more work to do. Much more.
Yes, Frank, we know. And had we selected Dunn and Hield, you would've questioned why we selected two guys at a positions we had already have locked up, like you pointed out when we brought in IT; or had we brought in Ellenson and Sabonis, you would've questioned why McD selected those with defensive and shooting woes (Ellenson) or a guy with T-Rex arms; or had we selected Poeltl, well, why would we select him when we have Len and Chandler.
Yes, we are all very aware of your utter disdain for McD's decision making, but you'll have to excuse me as I tend to side with 95%of the rest of the basketball world (Suns' fans, Non-Suns' fans, Media, Scouts, etc.) who believe that McD made some wise decisions with our picks last night, while you continue to pine for days of old when we sold Draft Picks for Cash or made such stellar choices like Marshall and Markieff...
...of course there is a chance that young, inexperienced guys like Bender and Chriss might fail, but considering the relative weakness of the class, and the fact that we do not get to draft top 4 or trade for the 8th overall allows for a bigger chance to 'fail', but I'd much rather go for talents at a dire position of need than go for a 3" taller Bledsoe Clone, or a SG with defensive issues of his own and only a 25% record of success so he can either rot on the pine or push Booker into defending SFs, when he has issues with defending those of his own position.
But go ahead Frank, and continue to question the move of our likely best GM in years...maybe you'll be right and get your wish and McD will be replaced...
Blah blah blah ... Blah blah blah... quit making S*** up with your assumptions on what I would do ... I should have known better to get into to your slippery rabbit hole and greasy logic.
I merely said Dunn was the #2 talent and Im not the only one. He was a passport to trading for 'play now' players. May be you haven't noticed, but we lack 'good players'. Dunn would have made both Bledsoe and Knight expendable. Bledsoe... who, BTW will surely be packing before the Boy Wonders see any significant playing time.
And I haven't heard the 'Wise' tacked on to McMully's recent maneuvers by anyone but you. Ballsy ? yes... as he went all in on these two kids. And love the 'likely best GM in years' comment. WTF ? sure... whatever. go ahead and tack on another playoff-less year. What will it be ... 7 ... 8 ( is this #5 for McMully?) Culburn would of had a field day. 0 and 49... 'Let us Proceed'. But I don't expect you to understand that. You are dreamy in love with the hopes and plans for the future. LOL Don't look now, but this stalled rebuild (or second or third one) has been passed by others in the west. We were better than other rebuilding teams .... not so much now. May be they have their 'best GM s in the past yrs ' too
Dammit... what bad timing.
Who knows, may be Bender will be ready sooner than later... I have my doubts with Chriss as he couldn't hardly stay on the court in the Pac12. But YAY, he can run fast and jump high. Oh well... sad thing is the rookie most likely to contribute is the littlest and last one selected. BTW, I have read more than one place that Ulis is the reason why the Suns draft was rated high. Not the head scratching prior picks. Isn't one project enough ? You do realize by the time Either of these kids is ready, Bledsoe will be seeking his next deal. Doesn't that make him expendable now ? Shouldn't we just get on with it and sack everyone over 25 ???
Watch this kid Dunn... he's a tough as they come and one of the few projected all stars.
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/12/11/kris-dunn-providence-friars-player-year-ed-cooleyWe missed a chance to be better now... and it may turn into a big whiff right when we needed an extra base hit. You can't afford to miss on early picks. Thats a fact. We are still a poorly constructed team with no real identity, no system, a muddled back court, and non existent front court.
we can only hope McMully defies odds (and history) and scores big in Free Agency/Trades, else this season is tagged and bagged already. But hey... you just wait till next year... or the year after... and so on.
And you talk about my "Rabbit Holes"...or, no, sorry, NavLO's, whoever the hell he his Fank.
I'm glad Dunn is tough--to bad he can't shoot worth a lick, but let's add that to our 'muddled backcourt'--yep, that would be smart. And projecting it will take Chriss and Bender 3 years (When Bledsoe is up for another contract)--are you a fortune teller, too, like some of these other posters?
And what's wrong with liking Ulis @ #34 better than Dunn @ #4.
3.56 career A/TO vs 1.75 career A/TO
6.5 career PPR vs 1.61 Pure POINT Rating
.56 career TS% vs .52 career TS%
50.5 career eFG% vs. 47.3 career eFG%
83.2% career FT% vs. 69% career FT%
But hey, he's 6" taller with a 7" longer Wingspan, yet managed a career 2.63 STL rate/40, and Ulis managed 1.65, not to mention his .5 BLK/40 vs Ulis .1 BLK/40--so yeah, he does have those advantages.
Yet Ulis provided 7.7 Asst/40 vs Dunn's 7.5 Asst/40 last season.
And let me ask you Frank...let's take Dunn @ 4 and trade Knight and/or Bledsoe. Which starting PF do you think we'll get for those 'dime a dozen' PGs in a PG saturated league??
We addressed a positon of need--TWICE in the top 8. DX had Bender and Chriss ranked 3 and 6 and we took them at 4 and 8.
CBS had them ranked 4 and 12
NBA Draft.net had them ranked 6 and 7.
Look, that's fine that you think Dunn would've taken us over the hump; we all have our opinions. But those of us that are thrilled that we filled a position of need with two very promising prospects that can shoot (better than Dunn, BTW), well, there's no need to 'piss on our parade' because we are happy with what McD has done.
You've had it out for McD for over a year now, and if you don't think other posters recognize this 'hate'--yeah, I said it, you are a McD 'hater', and you can claim otherwise until you are blue in the face, but your constant McD attacks, name calling, point out every little mistake he makes, not giving credit to things he does right--that makes you a 'hater' pure and simple. So no matter what McD would've done on Draft night, you would've complained about it--that was my point, and I and others can see it as plain as day.
I'm glad you are a passionate Suns fans, but until the day McD is fired or quits, any posts you make with a "Mc[enter 'dis' here]" is just further proof of your 'hate' the for this man, and like I said, maybe the days where we sold draft picks for cash, or traded out of positions to take players like Ibaka, or picking Morris over Kawhi...maybe you desire to go back to those days because we were winning with a 30+ YO elite PG. But those days are over, and McD took over a '****" of a team with the likes of Beasley, Marshall, Brown, Scola, Kieff, and Wesley Johnson, with the only 'decent' players being Dragic and Gortat, who took us to a 25-57 record, then he completely re-framed the team and took them to 48 wins. Then he took on IT and all hell broke loose. Dragic and his 'drama queen' theatrics, etc. He just went to a team filled with All-Stars, and was 'the man' at PG. Surrounded by a better team than he EVER had here, and posted a 14.1/5.8 slash line, a 51.3% eFG--his lowest since 2012-2013. A 72.7% FT%, his lowest since 2010, a 53.7% TS%, his lowest since 2010--and he got PAID $17M to do it!! And in the meantime, McD fleeced Miami out of two, one barely protected and the other not at all, 1st Rd draft picks, all for the right to NOT have to pay Dragic $17M this year to out up crap stats. He did not lead that team to the playoffs, the rest of the team 'dragged' him along to them.
So yeah, there's your 'rabbit hole' you were trying to avoid, but how about this? You just stop posting here, since you have ZERO patience for team rebuilding, and when we start winning again, you c'mon back...because I'm sorry, I'm going to put my faith in the guy who gets paid millions to build the team, rather than the guy that comes up with 'cutsy' nicknames for him and has ZERO vision for potential future success. And this way, you can avoid my, or whoever NavLO is, 'rabbit holes'. Is that a deal, Fank??
