2018 Free Agency and Trade Discussion continued

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Wouldn’t mind seeing Josh Jackson do this as well. Even ignoring his out of control play in SL, his jumper looked really bad much like last season.

[BobbieL]

-Scott thinks that the Suns are gonna trade for or sign a PG before the season starts.

He thinks that Beverley makes perfect sense for the Suns because he has heard that he is healthy already and he is under contract for just one season and on a low salary.

Better to trade for him, because if Beverley is waived by the Clippers then he can sign with any team in the league, probably a contender.

This isn't accurate. If he is bought out he will still need to clear waivers before he can sign elsewhere, and Suns should have top priority in waiver process.

The Suns do not have the cap space to take on Beverlys 5m contract. With a trade because of salary cap rules - they can send out 3.2 of DAniels to take by 5m of Beverly.

Even if they trade Danields - I think they are pretty close to be able to take Beverlys current contract but its close.

So the way to get Beverly is to trade for him. If he is released - many teams can either claim him or if he is unclaimed - he might take less money to play for abetter team.

Bordown was on with Kemp - he has no proof but he thinks the team will use a "wing" to get a PG. Which if Bordow is right is either Daniels in a smaller move or a guy like TJ Warren.

[jcsunsfan]

Scott Bordow was interviewed yesterday and he said a few interesting things.

- He is pretty sure that the Suns and Chandler have talked about a buyout, but right now the Suns wants to bring him back next season.

Only if Chandler wants out (and Scott does not know about it) they will try to trade him or buying him out.

Dudley was our fourth PF in the rotation, but Chandler would be our backup C next season playing 12-15 mpg.

Ayton expects to learn from Chandler. He said that to Scott in Summer League.

Chandler was DPOY, so he can give Ayton great advices about positioning, talking on defense and how to be out of foul trouble.

-Scott thinks that the Suns are gonna trade for or sign a PG before the season starts.

He thinks that Beverley makes perfect sense for the Suns because he has heard that he is healthy already and he is under contract for just one season and on a low salary.

Better to trade for him, because if Beverley is waived by the Clippers then he can sign with any team in the league, probably a contender.

- Scott thinks really high about Ariza as a PF.
He mentioned that he can average 15 points and 8 rebounds for the Suns next season.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/platform/amp/2018/7/23/17602244/solar-panel-ep-81-are-the-phoenix-suns-done-making-moves-trades-nba-free-agency?__twitter_impression=true

Regarding trading for Beverly. There is no point in the Clippers making a trade unless it cuts salary or balances out their roster. There is no way we can really help them save salary. Beverly is an expiring himself. Maybe trading them Arthurs contract would help if he is willing to take a decent buyout. Maybe the Sun could send cash as part of a deal.

The Clips need bigs--pf or centers. So the candidates to trade would be Chandler, Bender, or Chriss. Bender and Chriss work straight up. Chandler would require us to take back salary we probably do not want and his ability to help them is questionable anyway. Daniels would work, but they do not need guards, they might as well keep Beverly. So there it is. If you are going to trade for Beverly it will mean trading either Chriss or Bender and then adding other stuff to make the trade somewhat equitable.

We can wait and see if they waive him, but then there is no knowing where he might go.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I can't believe people are contemplating dealing Bender or Chriss for Beverley. The thought of trading Dragan for Beverley is especially confounding. :gag:

[BobbieL]

Scott Bordow was interviewed yesterday and he said a few interesting things.

- He is pretty sure that the Suns and Chandler have talked about a buyout, but right now the Suns wants to bring him back next season.

Only if Chandler wants out (and Scott does not know about it) they will try to trade him or buying him out.

Dudley was our fourth PF in the rotation, but Chandler would be our backup C next season playing 12-15 mpg.

Ayton expects to learn from Chandler. He said that to Scott in Summer League.

Chandler was DPOY, so he can give Ayton great advices about positioning, talking on defense and how to be out of foul trouble.

-Scott thinks that the Suns are gonna trade for or sign a PG before the season starts.

He thinks that Beverley makes perfect sense for the Suns because he has heard that he is healthy already and he is under contract for just one season and on a low salary.

Better to trade for him, because if Beverley is waived by the Clippers then he can sign with any team in the league, probably a contender.

- Scott thinks really high about Ariza as a PF.
He mentioned that he can average 15 points and 8 rebounds for the Suns next season.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/platform/amp/2018/7/23/17602244/solar-panel-ep-81-are-the-phoenix-suns-done-making-moves-trades-nba-free-agency?__twitter_impression=true

Regarding trading for Beverly. There is no point in the Clippers making a trade unless it cuts salary or balances out their roster. There is no way we can really help them save salary. Beverly is an expiring himself. Maybe trading them Arthurs contract would help if he is willing to take a decent buyout. Maybe the Sun could send cash as part of a deal.

The Clips need bigs--pf or centers. So the candidates to trade would be Chandler, Bender, or Chriss. Bender and Chriss work straight up. Chandler would require us to take back salary we probably do not want and his ability to help them is questionable anyway. Daniels would work, but they do not need guards, they might as well keep Beverly. So there it is. If you are going to trade for Beverly it will mean trading either Chriss or Bender and then adding other stuff to make the trade somewhat equitable.

We can wait and see if they waive him, but then there is no knowing where he might go.

Arthur is interesting but the Suns still are over the 15 man limit.

Chandler - and I have thought of him makes sense for the Clippers as it would be a 2:1 deal meaning Boban or Wes with a PG for Chandler. Clippers clear a roster spot - cash is the same but the Suns would be a spot heavy

Bender or Chriss - that is a total cash dump - not sure I like that

Daniels to a third team and the Suns just taking Beverly is the way to go. and one thing about the Clippers if they truly wanted to save money, they can waive Beverly - they probably want him still

[TASTIC]

Scott Bordow was interviewed yesterday and he said a few interesting things.

- He is pretty sure that the Suns and Chandler have talked about a buyout, but right now the Suns wants to bring him back next season.

Only if Chandler wants out (and Scott does not know about it) they will try to trade him or buying him out.

Dudley was our fourth PF in the rotation, but Chandler would be our backup C next season playing 12-15 mpg.

Ayton expects to learn from Chandler. He said that to Scott in Summer League.

Chandler was DPOY, so he can give Ayton great advices about positioning, talking on defense and how to be out of foul trouble.

-Scott thinks that the Suns are gonna trade for or sign a PG before the season starts.

He thinks that Beverley makes perfect sense for the Suns because he has heard that he is healthy already and he is under contract for just one season and on a low salary.

Better to trade for him, because if Beverley is waived by the Clippers then he can sign with any team in the league, probably a contender.

- Scott thinks really high about Ariza as a PF.
He mentioned that he can average 15 points and 8 rebounds for the Suns next season.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/platform/amp/2018/7/23/17602244/solar-panel-ep-81-are-the-phoenix-suns-done-making-moves-trades-nba-free-agency?__twitter_impression=true

Regarding trading for Beverly. There is no point in the Clippers making a trade unless it cuts salary or balances out their roster. There is no way we can really help them save salary. Beverly is an expiring himself. Maybe trading them Arthurs contract would help if he is willing to take a decent buyout. Maybe the Sun could send cash as part of a deal.

The Clips need bigs--pf or centers. So the candidates to trade would be Chandler, Bender, or Chriss. Bender and Chriss work straight up. Chandler would require us to take back salary we probably do not want and his ability to help them is questionable anyway. Daniels would work, but they do not need guards, they might as well keep Beverly. So there it is. If you are going to trade for Beverly it will mean trading either Chriss or Bender and then adding other stuff to make the trade somewhat equitable.

We can wait and see if they waive him, but then there is no knowing where he might go.

Arthur is interesting but the Suns still are over the 15 man limit.

Chandler - and I have thought of him makes sense for the Clippers as it would be a 2:1 deal meaning Boban or Wes with a PG for Chandler. Clippers clear a roster spot - cash is the same but the Suns would be a spot heavy

Bender or Chriss - that is a total cash dump - not sure I like that

Daniels to a third team and the Suns just taking Beverly is the way to go. and one thing about the Clippers if they truly wanted to save money, they can waive Beverly - they probably want him still

Arthur for Beverley works straight up, include a heavily protected 2nd if we have to. Agree no reason to include Bender or Chriss for him.

Or Daniels and a 2nd also works. Clips likely holding Beverley until a contender dangles a late 1st or a prospect middle of the season. God help us if the Warriors end up with him too.

[jredsaz]

I doubt Chandler would take a buyout. This is his last paycheck. No way he shorts himself a couple million dollars unless he has that guarantees from someplace else, and that someplace else needs to be a contender. I highly doubt that.

Just waive him.

This baloney of being a mentor is just that, one big slice of fatty pork. Why the F Do you have coaches? It’s lip service at this point, masking a poor FO decision. Like Chandler is some Yoda passing on the secrets of bigman. Gimme a break. Once this season starts, there’s not that much practice time anyways.

Chandler is done. Move on. Give his spot and minutes to a youngryand quit serving up the ‘transferring of wisdom’ spam

I agree about a buyout or another team wanting him. I think others have learned from guys...Bamba worked with Embiid and JJJ with KG and it seems they valued it. It might be minimal but Booker has also talked about wanting more vets in the locker room.

Of course I'm fine moving on from Tyson but I don't think he adds nothing, and Ayton needs all the possible help he can get.

I completely agree. If he wants out, help him get out (trade, buyout, release). But if he will stay there is zero reason to dump him. At worst he is an expiring contract and an ear for Ayton. At best he is both those things and a productive backup center.

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[SwingMan1938]

I'll say one more thing in regards to Patrick Beverley:

Name one player who was/is as effective or improved after microfracture surgery.

The cognitive dissonance on that subject in here is something to behold.....

[phx#7]

-Scott thinks that the Suns are gonna trade for or sign a PG before the season starts.

He thinks that Beverley makes perfect sense for the Suns because he has heard that he is healthy already and he is under contract for just one season and on a low salary.

Better to trade for him, because if Beverley is waived by the Clippers then he can sign with any team in the league, probably a contender.

This isn't accurate. If he is bought out he will still need to clear waivers before he can sign elsewhere, and Suns should have top priority in waiver process.

The Suns do not have the cap space to take on Beverlys 5m contract. With a trade because of salary cap rules - they can send out 3.2 of DAniels to take by 5m of Beverly.

Even if they trade Danields - I think they are pretty close to be able to take Beverlys current contract but its close.

So the way to get Beverly is to trade for him. If he is released - many teams can either claim him or if he is unclaimed - he might take less money to play for abetter team.

Bordown was on with Kemp - he has no proof but he thinks the team will use a "wing" to get a PG. Which if Bordow is right is either Daniels in a smaller move or a guy like TJ Warren.

I was working under the assumption it would cost less to free up capspace that it would to trade for Beverley, something like Chandler+ for Koufus. It's a moot point since I think Beverley is an asset and I don't see the Clippers waiving him without getting something in return.

I could see them potentially waiving Teodosic but even that seems less likely after they let the deadline pass for his contract being fully guaranteed.

[lilfishi22]

I can't believe people are contemplating dealing Bender or Chriss for Beverley. The thought of trading Dragan for Beverley is especially confounding. :gag:

I'd consider Chriss for Pat Bev if it's true that Beverely is healthy. We're going to have to decide whether we are going to pick up Chriss's team option or not and at this point in time, it doesn't seem like we would. $4m isn't a huge sum but you don't just pick up an option just to pick up an option especially when we're looking to maximise cap space for next offseason.

I wouldn't move Bender just yet though

[lilfishi22]

I'll say one more thing in regards to Patrick Beverley:

Name one player who was/is as effective or improved after microfracture surgery.

The cognitive dissonance on that subject in here is something to behold.....

Amare wasn't his athletic self but he was still super productive. Beverely doesn't have to carry a huge scoring load like Amare, he's not expected to have significant offensive creation responsibility and for the most part, he's just going to doing a lot of spot up shooting. Sure Amare had a steep decline but it's not like we're giving Beverely a long term deal so it's not something we need to worry about.

[bwgood77]

I'll say one more thing in regards to Patrick Beverley:

Name one player who was/is as effective or improved after microfracture surgery.

The cognitive dissonance on that subject in here is something to behold.....

John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Zach Randolph (had surgery in 05), Kenyon Martin, Kerry Kittles (though he missed a season, but Beverley pretty much already did too), Amare had it in 06, but played well for a while after that.

This is an older list, and I'm sure the medical developments have improved. A lot of guys don't come back well, but some do ok.

http://www.sonicscentral.com/microfracture.html

I'm sure there is a better list somewhere.

[Gorilla Warfare]

I'll say one more thing in regards to Patrick Beverley:

Name one player who was/is as effective or improved after microfracture surgery.

The cognitive dissonance on that subject in here is something to behold.....

Somebody went to college.

[Frank Lee]

I doubt Chandler would take a buyout. This is his last paycheck. No way he shorts himself a couple million dollars unless he has that guarantees from someplace else, and that someplace else needs to be a contender. I highly doubt that.

Just waive him.

This baloney of being a mentor is just that, one big slice of fatty pork. Why the F Do you have coaches? It’s lip service at this point, masking a poor FO decision. Like Chandler is some Yoda passing on the secrets of bigman. Gimme a break. Once this season starts, there’s not that much practice time anyways.

Chandler is done. Move on. Give his spot and minutes to a youngryand quit serving up the ‘transferring of wisdom’ spam

I agree about a buyout or another team wanting him. I think others have learned from guys...Bamba worked with Embiid and JJJ with KG and it seems they valued it. It might be minimal but Booker has also talked about wanting more vets in the locker room.

Of course I'm fine moving on from Tyson but I don't think he adds nothing, and Ayton needs all the possible help he can get.

I completely agree. If he wants out, help him get out (trade, buyout, release). But if he will stay there is zero reason to dump him. At worst he is an expiring contract and an ear for Ayton. At best he is both those things and a productive backup center.

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Yeah, I can agree there eddyjr. I’ve just soured on guys who racked up the dough and have given us marginal return at best. They may have helped in the locker room and given some sage advice but if you can replace them with dudes who are playing the nuts off just to prove their worth, well .... I prefer them to these check cashing mercenaries. For what it’s worth, I think a trio of Ayton, Holmes, and Bender is sufficient at the C

[nevetsov]

If we could flip Arthur for Beverley, that would essentially mean we flipped Dudley's corpse for Holmes and Beverley...

[SwingMan1938]

I'll say one more thing in regards to Patrick Beverley:

Name one player who was/is as effective or improved after microfracture surgery.

The cognitive dissonance on that subject in here is something to behold.....

Somebody went to college.

LOL!

Actually, no - I'm just an old fart who, in over 40 years of watching basketball, has never seen a player that's undergone a microfracture procedure and not come back worse - especially at or near Patrick Beverley's age of 30 (Amare was 22 when his was done, Penny Hardaway was 29 - now, how did they fare at 30?).

Beverley's one elite skill is/was suffocating and frustrating defense - now, tell me how he can maintain that when he can barely move?

Not to mention the fact that, even without the microfracture, Beverley is not, never has been and, at this point, never will be a distributor.

Nah - I'll stick with our taller, younger, quicker, healthier and infinitely more athletic version in Shaquille Harrison.

And, seeing as there are reports that Markelle Fultz has got his game squared back around, I'd work a Troy Daniels ($3 mil) + 2nd round pick(s) trade with Philadelphia for T.J. McConnell ($1.6 mil) + whatever salary filler instead.

[Revived]

I'll say one more thing in regards to Patrick Beverley:

Name one player who was/is as effective or improved after microfracture surgery.

The cognitive dissonance on that subject in here is something to behold.....

Somebody went to college.

LOL!

Actually, no - I'm just an old fart who, in over 40 years of watching basketball, has never seen a player that's undergone a microfracture procedure and not come back worse - especially at or near Patrick Beverley's age of 30 (Amare was 22 when his was done, Penny Hardaway was 29 - now, how did they fare at 30?).

Beverley's one elite skill is/was suffocating and frustrating defense - now, tell me how he can maintain that when he can barely move?

Not to mention the fact that, even without the microfracture, Beverley is not, never has been and, at this point, never will be a distributor.

Nah - I'll stick with our taller, younger, quicker, healthier and infinitely more athletic version in Shaquille Harrison.

And, seeing as there are reports that Markelle Fultz has got his game squared back around, I'd work a Troy Daniels ($3 mil) + 2nd round pick(s) trade with Philadelphia for T.J. McConnell ($1.6 mil) + whatever salary filler instead.

Beverly is a much better 3pt shooter than Harrison though. And the whole idea is to surround Booker and Ayton with as many shooters (who can defend) as possible since neither one of them can defend much yet.

[DirtyDez]

I'll say one more thing in regards to Patrick Beverley:

Name one player who was/is as effective or improved after microfracture surgery.

The cognitive dissonance on that subject in here is something to behold.....

John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Zach Randolph (had surgery in 05), Kenyon Martin, Kerry Kittles (though he missed a season, but Beverley pretty much already did too), Amare had it in 06, but played well for a while after that.

This is an older list, and I'm sure the medical developments have improved. A lot of guys don't come back well, but some do ok.

http://www.sonicscentral.com/microfracture.html

I'm sure there is a better list somewhere.

Stockton only missed two months? Doesn’t sound like actual microfracture surgery. Maybe it was a similar technique but more minor.

[lilfishi22]

Beverley never was a 20/8 type player where a MF surgery would have a serious impact on expected production. At Beverley's peak which I would argue is his last season with Houston in 16-17, he was 10/6/2 player shooting .382 from the 3 on 4 attempts a game. He had a 2.8 A:T ratio while playing a ton off the ball and elite defense (1st team All-D).

Even if Beverley isn't the same player, he should still be productive because we're not asking the world of him. Just make good passes, hit the 3 and play good defense. I don't expect him to be a 1st team all-D level defender but if he's healthy, he should still be able to play good D.

Considering Beverly should be a low cost acquisition, it's more than a reasonable risk to take.

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