2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[Frank Lee]

Im Prepared to hear about more offers that were turned down than accepted. Status quo with Junkyard at the helm. Then he’ll paint it as if he made the proper rejection moves.

Truly, it is time for a housecleaning, top down. We have been in the phase where the moves needed to be made are to mask and cover for prior ineffective GM-ing. As for Moronty, he’s been living off that cakewalking playoff run to the finals.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

OG and FVV for Crowder, Saric, Payne, Craig (works in the trade machine)… How many picks would it take?

I would rather have Scary Terry or D'Lo over FVV. He is the oldest of the three, the shortest of the three.

I think the move is to see if the Twolves - who are in the hunt for a playoff spot - so maybe they are not all that keen on trading him

7 days to go... been wanting this trade deadline since training camp with the Jae situation

I'm not excited by any of the possibilities I've seen discussed. Nothing to change the fact that this team, with these players, will either come together to make a run, or not.

I'm just hoping we don't sacrifice a young player or pick(s) to go all-in on a bad hand.

[BobbieL]

OG and FVV for Crowder, Saric, Payne, Craig (works in the trade machine)… How many picks would it take?

I would rather have Scary Terry or D'Lo over FVV. He is the oldest of the three, the shortest of the three.

I think the move is to see if the Twolves - who are in the hunt for a playoff spot - so maybe they are not all that keen on trading him

7 days to go... been wanting this trade deadline since training camp with the Jae situation

I'm not excited by any of the possibilities I've seen discussed. Nothing to change the fact that this team, with these players, will either come together to make a run, or not.

I'm just hoping we don't sacrifice a young player or pick(s) to go all-in on a bad hand.

End of the day - the biggest trade deadline move the Suns will make is getting Booker back on the floor. And like you said, can they gel together

The second thing is they have to be honest about what Cam Payne and landry Shamet are going to bring this season. 53 games, Shamet has played 30 games and Payne 28. they are putting up decent numbers but if they are out long term - they need to find another guard for bench depth. Not that I want Eric Gordon but if he costs like Crowder (to the Bucks) with Saric - so be it

I do not want like you said giving up too much but they have to do something in the backcourt for depth. Lee has been solid though. Maybe its just Hill and Nwora and two draft picks for Crowder

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As for Rozier/DLo/FVV I take FVV all day. Dlo second, and if you pull my arm then I take Rozier. As I mentioned before, Rozier isn't really a floor raiser, he gets his stats, but he has never been a guy to make teammates better or his team better.

As for the link above, I don't see how the Pelicans don't end up trading Hayes, Trey Murphy, Graham for OG Anunoby. The Raptors get two guys to put around Barnes plus at least 2 picks. FVV might be the Suns best option at the deadline mostly because I don't see any other team needing or wanting a PG except the Clippers, but Suns can give a better offer than them.

If Suns end up going for FVV, I can see the Suns swinging Crowder to Bucks, Rudy Gay (mostly trade filler) and Jarred Vanderbilt to Suns, Grayson Allen and 4 2nd round picks to Jazz (3 coming from the Bucks). Dario and Shamet plus 2 1st for FVV. We can thank the Lakers of trading almost nothing for Rui that Vanderbilt would only cost 2nd round picks.

Suns rotation
CP3 / FVV / Payne
Booker / Lee / Okogie
Bridges / Craig /Gay
Cam Johnson / Vanderbilt / Ish
Ayton / Smack / Jock

[Djedefre]

Last night's fiasco still irks me. To be so utterly demolished at home, with pretty much whole crew sans Booker... Is any kind of trade actually gonna turn things around..? Sincerely, i do not think so. Looks like a wasted season. But at least it could force Ishbia to bring new, competent coach and executives for 23/24.

[BobbieL]

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As for Rozier/DLo/FVV I take FVV all day. Dlo second, and if you pull my arm then I take Rozier. As I mentioned before, Rozier isn't really a floor raiser, he gets his stats, but he has never been a guy to make teammates better or his team better.

As for the link above, I don't see how the Pelicans don't end up trading Hayes, Trey Murphy, Graham for OG Anunoby. The Raptors get two guys to put around Barnes plus at least 2 picks. FVV might be the Suns best option at the deadline mostly because I don't see any other team needing or wanting a PG except the Clippers, but Suns can give a better offer than them.

If Suns end up going for FVV, I can see the Suns swinging Crowder to Bucks, Rudy Gay (mostly trade filler) and Jarred Vanderbilt to Suns, Grayson Allen and 4 2nd round picks to Jazz (3 coming from the Bucks). Dario and Shamet plus 2 1st for FVV. We can thank the Lakers of trading almost nothing for Rui that Vanderbilt would only cost 2nd round picks.

Suns rotation
CP3 / FVV / Payne
Booker / Lee / Okogie
Bridges / Craig /Gay
Cam Johnson / Vanderbilt / Ish
Ayton / Smack / Jock

The Crowder trade is interesting but Gay does have a player option next year. So what is better Vanderbilt with Gay or Nwora with Hill. I would probably take on Gay to get Vanderbilt

As for FVV -- hmm, two FRPs for the guy. Plus they have to sign him. At the same time, this team can win the west and FVV can probably help the Suns. If not, he might go to the Clippers - so the Suns better damn well be aggressive

I do agree if the Pelicans want OG - they have the young players and picks to get him

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Last night's fiasco still irks me. To be so utterly demolished at home, with pretty much whole crew sans Booker... Is any kind of trade actually gonna turn things around..? Sincerely, i do not think so. Looks like a wasted season. But at least it could force Ishbia to bring new, competent coach and executives for 23/24.

I’m not that mad. If you think about it, Suns were too hyper focused last season and they were drained by the playoffs. They are taking it easy this season to the dismay of most fans. Also I don’t believe James Jones will be looking to waste the season. He understands CP3 doesn’t have another ten years so he’ll look to improve the roster.

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As for Rozier/DLo/FVV I take FVV all day. Dlo second, and if you pull my arm then I take Rozier. As I mentioned before, Rozier isn't really a floor raiser, he gets his stats, but he has never been a guy to make teammates better or his team better.

As for the link above, I don't see how the Pelicans don't end up trading Hayes, Trey Murphy, Graham for OG Anunoby. The Raptors get two guys to put around Barnes plus at least 2 picks. FVV might be the Suns best option at the deadline mostly because I don't see any other team needing or wanting a PG except the Clippers, but Suns can give a better offer than them.

If Suns end up going for FVV, I can see the Suns swinging Crowder to Bucks, Rudy Gay (mostly trade filler) and Jarred Vanderbilt to Suns, Grayson Allen and 4 2nd round picks to Jazz (3 coming from the Bucks). Dario and Shamet plus 2 1st for FVV. We can thank the Lakers of trading almost nothing for Rui that Vanderbilt would only cost 2nd round picks.

Suns rotation
CP3 / FVV / Payne
Booker / Lee / Okogie
Bridges / Craig /Gay
Cam Johnson / Vanderbilt / Ish
Ayton / Smack / Jock

The Crowder trade is interesting but Gay does have a player option next year. So what is better Vanderbilt with Gay or Nwora with Hill. I would probably take on Gay to get Vanderbilt

As for FVV -- hmm, two FRPs for the guy. Plus they have to sign him.

I do agree if the Pelicans want OG - they have the young players and picks to get him

Suns have been rumored to be looking for a PG post CP3. It makes sense to get someone who fits into the timeline of Book, Bridges, Cam Johnson, Ayton. FVV is on his way out of Toronto, and there really isn’t many suitors for him. James Jones has been trying to get that all-star, well FVV made the all-star team last year. The picture FVV posted on his Insta-story. I think this is as good as it can get, especially if Suns don’t break up the core guys. Dude put up a monster triple double last night against the Jazz.

[WeekapaugGroove]

My prediction is we'll just get a small Crowder move at the deadline.

But Ayton gets traded to Toronto this summer.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Last night's fiasco still irks me. To be so utterly demolished at home, with pretty much whole crew sans Booker... Is any kind of trade actually gonna turn things around..? Sincerely, i do not think so. Looks like a wasted season. But at least it could force Ishbia to bring new, competent coach and executives for 23/24.

I’m not that mad. If you think about it, Suns were too hyper focused last season and they were drained by the playoffs. They are taking it easy this season to the dismay of most fans. Also I don’t believe James Jones will be looking to waste the season. He understands CP3 doesn’t have another ten years so he’ll look to improve the roster.

If anything, last night reinforced the fact that we can't depend on CP3 in the playoffs. Two years ago when we made our run, it was Cam Payne who really pushed this team over the top. Can't depend on him, either. Or Cam Jo, apparently. Just Book and Mikal, I guess. And Lee, maybe.

We just don't have the firepower when we're not at full strength. Don't know why anyone would think we're likely to get to that level this season. It just ain't our year.

Not Monty's fault, though. Health, luck, and bad drafts - those are our causes of death.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

My prediction is we'll just get a small Crowder move at the deadline.

But Ayton gets traded to Toronto this summer.

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Ayton to TOR looks like real to me as well. But I don't like it. No one on that roster that really interests me but Siakam. You can bet your mama's farm that we'll be lamenting our weakness at center for the foreseeable future if we move DA.

OG + FVV for DA (+ Cam?) looks like the deal to me. IMO, that'd be a great way to ensure Book never sniffs another Finals in our uni.

[BobbieL]

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As for Rozier/DLo/FVV I take FVV all day. Dlo second, and if you pull my arm then I take Rozier. As I mentioned before, Rozier isn't really a floor raiser, he gets his stats, but he has never been a guy to make teammates better or his team better.

As for the link above, I don't see how the Pelicans don't end up trading Hayes, Trey Murphy, Graham for OG Anunoby. The Raptors get two guys to put around Barnes plus at least 2 picks. FVV might be the Suns best option at the deadline mostly because I don't see any other team needing or wanting a PG except the Clippers, but Suns can give a better offer than them.

If Suns end up going for FVV, I can see the Suns swinging Crowder to Bucks, Rudy Gay (mostly trade filler) and Jarred Vanderbilt to Suns, Grayson Allen and 4 2nd round picks to Jazz (3 coming from the Bucks). Dario and Shamet plus 2 1st for FVV. We can thank the Lakers of trading almost nothing for Rui that Vanderbilt would only cost 2nd round picks.

Suns rotation
CP3 / FVV / Payne
Booker / Lee / Okogie
Bridges / Craig /Gay
Cam Johnson / Vanderbilt / Ish
Ayton / Smack / Jock

The Crowder trade is interesting but Gay does have a player option next year. So what is better Vanderbilt with Gay or Nwora with Hill. I would probably take on Gay to get Vanderbilt

As for FVV -- hmm, two FRPs for the guy. Plus they have to sign him.

I do agree if the Pelicans want OG - they have the young players and picks to get him

Suns have been rumored to be looking for a PG post CP3. It makes sense to get someone who fits into the timeline of Book, Bridges, Cam Johnson, Ayton. FVV is on his way out of Toronto, and there really isn’t many suitors for him. James Jones has been trying to get that all-star, well FVV made the all-star team last year. The picture FVV posted on his Insta-story. I think this is as good as it can get, especially if Suns don’t break up the core guys. Dude put up a monster triple double last night against the Jazz.

Very good points. The Suns could have a core of FVV, Book, Bridges and Ayton. Cam J to be determined with ownership and what not. Or Ayton tbd with Cam coming back

The more I think about it - I think its not bad. The Suns need an infusion in the backcourt.
So to your point - somehow use Crowder to get something. Maybe even include Payne - only $2m guaranteed next year and who knows where he is health wise

And use Shamet/Saric and the draft picks to get FVV

[Jdiddy701]

What about…

Ayton to Atlanta
John Collins to Toronto
OG & Capela to Phoenix

Would need some minor tweaks but feel like this is a decent trade for all teams - might need to also give a draft pick to Toronto. Thoughts?


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[WeekapaugGroove]

My prediction is we'll just get a small Crowder move at the deadline.

But Ayton gets traded to Toronto this summer.

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Ayton to TOR looks like real to me as well. But I don't like it. No one on that roster that really interests me but Siakam. You can bet your mama's farm that we'll be lamenting our weakness at center for the foreseeable future if we move DA.

OG + FVV for DA (+ Cam?) looks like the deal to me. IMO, that'd be a great way to ensure Book never sniffs another Finals in our uni.

Counterpoint, if they don't trade Ayton well just spend the next 3 years lamenting him

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[BobbieL]

My prediction is we'll just get a small Crowder move at the deadline.

But Ayton gets traded to Toronto this summer.

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You are probably correct with Crowder. I mean - if thats the case would Eric Gordon be the worst player they could get. I think I would prefer him over Nwora and Hill. Three team deal of course

[BobbieL]

What about…

Ayton to Atlanta
John Collins to Toronto
OG & Capela to Phoenix

Would need some minor tweaks but feel like this is a decent trade for all teams - might need to also give a draft pick to Toronto. Thoughts?


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I think I like the trade for all parties

[WeekapaugGroove]

My prediction is we'll just get a small Crowder move at the deadline.

But Ayton gets traded to Toronto this summer.

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You are probably correct with Crowder. I mean - if thats the case would Eric Gordon be the worst player they could get. I think I would prefer him over Nwora and Hill. Three team deal of course

If it only costs the seconds they get from Milwaukee then sure.

I'm pretty open minded this deadline. Kind of find myself in the middle where I don't think they should completely punt this season but I'm also strongly against trading a 1st for a rental. If a 1st is involved it has to be for someone who's going to be here past this season.

I just doubt we see any major roster shake up with Mat only taking over days before the deadline. But I do expect a much different roster by next fall.

As far as Ayton, unless he's come to them and said 'I want to be traded and here are the teams I'll OK a deal' he's not getting traded at the deadline. You just can't go to him for approval and risk getting a no.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

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Financial implications?? Why would/ should there be any concerns over finances when Ishbia is taking control next week??

Likely means we'd have to sign him to a roster spot soon if we kept him

Thanks King!

[Ghost of Kleine]

My prediction is we'll just get a small Crowder move at the deadline.

But Ayton gets traded to Toronto this summer.

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Ayton to TOR looks like real to me as well. But I don't like it. No one on that roster that really interests me but Siakam. You can bet your mama's farm that we'll be lamenting our weakness at center for the foreseeable future if we move DA.

OG + FVV for DA (+ Cam?) looks like the deal to me. IMO, that'd be a great way to ensure Book never sniffs another Finals in our uni.

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[Jesus_H_Macy]

Last night's fiasco still irks me. To be so utterly demolished at home, with pretty much whole crew sans Booker... Is any kind of trade actually gonna turn things around..? Sincerely, i do not think so. Looks like a wasted season. But at least it could force Ishbia to bring new, competent coach and executives for 23/24.

I’m not that mad. If you think about it, Suns were too hyper focused last season and they were drained by the playoffs. They are taking it easy this season to the dismay of most fans. Also I don’t believe James Jones will be looking to waste the season. He understands CP3 doesn’t have another ten years so he’ll look to improve the roster.

I appreciate your optimism and wish I could share it. Quite frankly this years team sucks. We are only not-crappy when Book is playing, and even when he was playing we didn't do anything to demonstrate we actually had what it took to beat the best of the best. If anyone pays attention to my comments on here (and I wouldn't blame you if you didn't ) you're probably tired of hearing this, but something began to crumble in this team's collective minds towards the end of last year and the Dallas series completely broke them. And I think there's no chance of it coming back without significant changes. Remember how good we were last season when Book was out? We were still streaking and blowing teams out. Now with a few exceptions we're either getting blown out at home by 30 or squeaking by **** teams for Ws. And I don't think a healthy Cam Payne and Landry Shamet can explain that difference. This team is cooked. And I do think that Monty holds at minimum some blame. The more I see guys getting healthy and we still more or less suck the more I'm looking at the first seat on the bench.

Perhaps Ayton is a bad apple and trading him would right things. I'm skeptical. Also skeptical we'd ever find out because I think the odds of Jones making a big move are low. But honestly I'd rather he did nothing that get shafted in a trade. I'm not ready to advocate for it quite yet (getting close though) but if Ishbia cleans house I'd rather not have our next GM taking over at a deficit.

This team plays uninspired disjointed dispirited ball and after the (would-be) lofty heights of the past few seasons I am utterly fed up with it.