BobbieL wrote:dremill24 wrote:BobbieL wrote:
Fair question. I don't think Butler is enough of a difference maker at this time of his career to totally screw your future for maybe getting to the second round. If you use all three picks and this will be the best shot as look at the West - its only getting tougher: OKC, Memphis, Houston, now the Spurs, the Lakers with Luka - all have better futures
I would say the Mavericks if Davis is healthy, are better than the Suns, Denver this year, better than the Suns. The Suns might be better than the Spurs this year - but not next year. Teams like Twolves are there too.
So why are you giving up your total future for the second round at best this year and nothing in teh future as Butler ages, Durant ages, the roster can't get better as they are over the second apron
But, you bring up the 2031 - and like GoK and Slim, to me, if you start the rebuild now, with those three picks, plus what you can get for Durant, Booker, Allen - that 2031 might be less valuable
If they don't trade for Butler but make a smaller move with Nurkic or Allen, see how it goes and assess - this summer, thats fine
But going all in for a guy who truly (by the media reports) doesn't care about winning and just cashing another check - to me is a long term bad move. As if Butler fails - this will be 10 years
If you start the rebuild now, using those three FRPs for the 2031, getting other picks from other trades, getting under the apron where you can make real trades and not your garbage for my garbage and lets hope it pans out...I think will be a better path to a title
And are you playing for the playoffs or are you playing for a title?
I see. Sounds like my disconnect was on the definition of "all-in," which prompted my question. To me, I'm not sure having a couple very late 1sts does a whole lot to facilitate a rebuild. I guess I'd say the "future" has been given up already, so was curious about how getting Jimmy ruins it any further. But what it seems you're saying is that those picks can help maintain a future, so I think that answers my question.
I do think the overwhelmingly likely reality is that those picks are gone either way, so it becomes more of a question of whether they're used for Butler or some other minor rotation piece(s).
To your last point - you are correct. The one thing I should have added is for this to work
Ishbia would have to hire a good GM
and let that GM build the roster and that would take patience
The Suns are in a tough spot - but to me, blowing it up puts them closer to a title than going all in for Jimmy Butler. Unless the goal is to make the playoffs and lose by Round 2 maybe for a year or two - if thats the goal, fine, trade for Butler. He is not going to be the savior in Phoenix.
I do think this is indicative of a notable point. 'Success' is up to each entity to be defined. If being in the news cycle, making a lot of money, being a respectable team and a star destination is success, then that's their prerogative I suppose.
But in this case, I think they have the same goal as you do (title), but they fundamentally disagree on the best path to get there. Whether they're correct is quite debatable lol.
