The One And Only Offseason Thread 3

[Qwigglez]

Seriously he's like TJ Warren and JJ. Too calm and cool. He wants to play in Phoenix. I think he really likes his teammates and coach. It's obvious from last season.


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Joe Johnson left Phoenix...

[aIvin adams]

Seriously he's like TJ Warren and JJ. Too calm and cool. He wants to play in Phoenix. I think he really likes his teammates and coach. It's obvious from last season.


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Joe Johnson left Phoenix...

Bc he signed what used to be considered one of the worst contracts in basketball, until he signed his next max contract

Worst case scenario, we sign and trade Bledsoe for Boris Diaw (nba champion<---- !!!!)

[NapoleonII]

From the main board.

Bledsoe is not worth a max contract, no team will give him one.

If he truly thinks he's the kind of player that deserves a max deal, he should go the 2016 route. Sign the biggest 2 year deal you can get, then try again for a max deal when they are going to be worth much more due to the new TV deal. He'll still be young enough, and if he's as good as he thinks he is he'll have no problem getting a max deal at that point.

[Ryu]

Milwaukee sits by the phone while you guys sort this out.

Well, you can try to blow us away with an offer.

A little hint: that offer should include one of the two guys born in 1994. or younger.

[PhxSuns1]

Milwaukee sits by the phone while you guys sort this out.

Well, you can try to blow us away with an offer.

A little hint: that offer should include one of the two guys born on 1994. or younger.

And English should preferably not be his first language.

[paulpressey25]

Milwaukee sits by the phone while you guys sort this out.

Well, you can try to blow us away with an offer.

A little hint: that offer should include one of the two guys born on 1994. or younger.

Doesn't work that way in RFA. The Suns either offer him the 4/$63 deal or they wait until someone offers it for them. And if the Suns have any concerns about paying him that much money or his potential attitude, then you mine the league for S&T offers.

My guess is that Jason Kidd has had a discussion with Bledsoe and Rich Paul and told them both that the 4/$63 payday awaits in Milwaukee but that the Bucks aren't going to shed the $2.5mm in payroll they need to extend a max offer that likely is matched, and that it is up to those two to figure out a S&T that works for the Suns. Suns meanwhile are content to sit for the moment.

I think the only thing that breaks the logjam is if the Suns propose a 5/$65 with an ETO after year three.

ETA: That deal works for Bledsoe because if he is injured, he still gets the $63(in this case $65) million he'd get with an offer sheet. But if he blows up and stays healthy, he can opt out after three years for a bigger payday under the new salary cap.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Milwaukee sits by the phone while you guys sort this out.

Well, you can try to blow us away with an offer.

A little hint: that offer should include one of the two guys born on 1994. or younger.

Doesn't work that way in RFA. The Suns either offer him the 4/$63 deal or they wait until someone offers it for them. And if the Suns have any concerns about paying him that much money or his potential attitude, then you mine the league for S&T offers.

My guess is that Jason Kidd has had a discussion with Bledsoe and Rich Paul and told them both that the 4/$63 payday awaits in Milwaukee but that the Bucks aren't going to shed the $2.5mm in payroll they need to extend a max offer that likely is matched, and that it is up to those two to figure out a S&T that works for the Suns. Suns meanwhile are content to sit for the moment.

I think the only thing that breaks the logjam is if the Suns propose a 5/$65 with an ETO after year three.

Hhhhhhhhonestly though, the Bucks aren't in this at all. Nothing they are willing to offer us is worth losing Bledsoe.

[Revived]

We won't get any amazing deals in a sign and trade.

Tell me one time in which a player was signed and traded for something even close to the same value as being traded.

[JDLAW]

Milwaukee sits by the phone while you guys sort this out.

Well, you can try to blow us away with an offer.

A little hint: that offer should include one of the two guys born on 1994. or younger.

Doesn't work that way in RFA. The Suns either offer him the 4/$63 deal or they wait until someone offers it for them. And if the Suns have any concerns about paying him that much money or his potential attitude, then you mine the league for S&T offers.

My guess is that Jason Kidd has had a discussion with Bledsoe and Rich Paul and told them both that the 4/$63 payday awaits in Milwaukee but that the Bucks aren't going to shed the $2.5mm in payroll they need to extend a max offer that likely is matched, and that it is up to those two to figure out a S&T that works for the Suns. Suns meanwhile are content to sit for the moment.

I think the only thing that breaks the logjam is if the Suns propose a 5/$65 with an ETO after year three.

ETA: That deal works for Bledsoe because if he is injured, he still gets the $63(in this case $65) million he'd get with an offer sheet. But if he blows up and stays healthy, he can opt out after three years for a bigger payday under the new salary cap.

Fantasyland! Suns have no obligation to Beldsoe, his agent or the Bucks to accept a mediocre sign and trade. Bucks have absolutely no leverage to force a sign and trade, even if they are able to come up with the $$ to make a max offer.

There is no logjam. This is a negotiation between Bledsoe's agent who does not have market leverage and the Suns. More fantasy on your part.

[paulpressey25]

Hhhhhhhhonestly though, the Bucks aren't in this at all. Nothing they are willing to offer us is worth losing Bledsoe.

Right. And that's why as Mark Stein said, you guys may sit in this situation for another month or more. During that time, Bledsoe is going to get resentful and the Suns fanbase will get resentful. I've seen this movie many times before as a Bucks fan when one of our young guys breaks out right before he becomes a free agent, but doesnt break out enough to justify the mega contract he wants.

I will eat the crow if Bledsoe cracks and takes 4/$48 but I don't think he does that. I think that 5/$65 ETO deal I noted above might get it done, but who knows if either side is willing to do that.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

We won't get any amazing deals in a sign and trade.

Tell me one time in which a player was signed and traded for something even close to the same value as being traded.

Boris Diaw and a draft pick?

[Frank Lee]

If Bledsoe wasn't shopping himself around, he would've signed this deal rather quickly. Look at Lowry, He signed up with little delay. He wanted to play in Toronto, he wanted to be a raptor and now he is. He left little doubt with his fans.

If Bledsoe doesn't ink up by Monday, then it is plain as day that he doesn't care about being a Sun. He's all about the money. Clearly he was expecting many more options to choose from. Now he has painted himself into a corner and he really has to decide if this is where he wants to be for the next four years.

The longer he waits, the more clear it becomes.

[PhxSuns1]

Its different when its a restricted free agent. Then you can get value just like a regular trade because were okay with keeping Bledsoe regardless. If a team really wants Bledsoe, they are going to have to give what they would in a normal trade because we could always just match. If he was unrestricted, yes. Then we just get **** scraps so we dont "lose him for nothing". Its different because we dont have to lose him at all if we dont want to.

[Ryu]

We won't get any amazing deals in a sign and trade.

Tell me one time in which a player was signed and traded for something even close to the same value as being traded.

Boris Diaw and a draft pick?

What a great deal that was, given the circumstances.

If we had a bit of luck in 2007. draft lottery we would have Diaw and Noah. Oh well.

[JDLAW]

Hhhhhhhhonestly though, the Bucks aren't in this at all. Nothing they are willing to offer us is worth losing Bledsoe.

Right. And that's why as Mark Stein said, you guys may sit in this situation for another month or more. During that time, Bledsoe is going to get resentful and the Suns fanbase will get resentful. I've seen this movie many times before as a Bucks fan when one of our young guys breaks out right before he becomes a free agent, but doesnt break out enough to justify the mega contract he wants.

I will eat the crow if Bledsoe cracks and takes 4/$48 but I don't think he does that. I think that 5/$65 ETO deal I noted above might get it done, but who knows if either side is willing to do that.

We're prepared to wait. If it goes on a month Bledose's incompetent agent will figure out there is nothing to give him leverage and he'll either take the deal on the table or negotiate some sort of compromise. A 5/65 deal is not much different than the 4/48 deal - a little higher base and an extra year. I suspect the compromise will add incentives for # of games and performance (all star, all pro).

[paulpressey25]

. A 5/65 deal is not much different than the 4/48 deal - a little higher base and an extra year.

It is a big difference. $17 million worth.

It works for Bledsoe because if he blows out his knee again at any point the next three years, he's still getting at least the $63 million he would have gotten with an offer sheet this year. And if he blows up, he uses the early termination provision like LeBron has and opts out while collecting say at least $46 million in those first three years. He then can re-up for a bigger deal if he's worth it then.

For the Suns, they really only risk the same $63-$65 million they risk now via an offer sheet, should his knees go bad. If he blows up, you've still got him for three years and hold his Bird rights. And he would have been worth that 3/$46 you would have paid him to date.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

. A 5/65 deal is not much different than the 4/48 deal - a little higher base and an extra year.

It is a big difference. $17 million worth.

It works for Bledsoe because if he blows out his knee again at any point the next three years, he's still getting at least the $63 million he would have gotten with an offer sheet this year. And if he blows up, he uses the early termination provision like LeBron has and opts out while collecting say at least $46 million in those first three years. He then can re-up for a bigger deal if he's worth it then.

For the Suns, they really only risk the same $63-$65 million they risk now via an offer sheet, should his knees go bad. If he blows up, you've still got him for three years and hold his Bird rights. And he would have been worth that 3/$46 you would have paid him to date.

I think if he wants the extra money, it's the Suns who should have the option, not the player. We're worried about risk, he's worried about $$$. Sounds like a deal. Oh, he's worried about $$$? Then how about $48m guaranteed?

[NoKneeBledsoe]

If Bucks want to get down on this. Let's throw in 2 other teams.

Bucks Give : Brandon Knight, Illyasova, Sanders
Bucks get : Bledsoe S & T, Filler (not sure)

Suns give : Len, Bledsoe, 1st
Receive: Horford, and Sanders

Detroit Gives: Monroe
Detroit Receives: Teague, Illyasova

Atlanta gives: Teague and Horford
Atlanta Receives: Monroe, Len, Brandon Knight, 1st


SOMEONE MAKE IT WORK. After I finished I went. That was a mess lol

Dragic
Green
Warren
Horford
Sanders

[AtheJ415]

You don't get it. The suns don't need to reach a mutually beneficial deal. Bledsoe wants the max. Big Whoopdeedo. Unless some team actually offers it to him that has no impact. The Suns have challenged him to find a better deal than what they're offering. He hasn't been able to get that. Until he does there is absolutely zero, and I mean zero, reason to bid against ourself and add another year or more money. No player in the history of the NBA has signed a QO and left 48 mil on the table. If that's what he wants to do then so be it, but this idea that the suns should up their offer to something that's better for both parties is crazy. 48 mil is good for Bledsoe. In fact, it's the highest amount he's been offered.

. A 5/65 deal is not much different than the 4/48 deal - a little higher base and an extra year.

It is a big difference. $17 million worth.

It works for Bledsoe because if he blows out his knee again at any point the next three years, he's still getting at least the $63 million he would have gotten with an offer sheet this year. And if he blows up, he uses the early termination provision like LeBron has and opts out while collecting say at least $46 million in those first three years. He then can re-up for a bigger deal if he's worth it then.

For the Suns, they really only risk the same $63-$65 million they risk now via an offer sheet, should his knees go bad. If he blows up, you've still got him for three years and hold his Bird rights. And he would have been worth that 3/$46 you would have paid him to date.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

You don't get it. The suns don't need to reach a mutually beneficial deal. Bledsoe wants the max. Big Whoopdeedo. Unless some team actually offers it to him that has no impact. The Suns have challenged him to find a better deal than what they're offering. He hasn't been able to get that. Until he does there is absolutely zero, and I mean zero, reason to bid against ourself and add another year or more money. No player in the history of the NBA has signed a QO and left 48 mil on the table. If that's what he wants to do then so be it, but this idea that the suns should up their offer to something that's better for both parties is crazy. 48 mil is good for Bledsoe. In fact, it's the highest amount he's been offered.

. A 5/65 deal is not much different than the 4/48 deal - a little higher base and an extra year.

It is a big difference. $17 million worth.

It works for Bledsoe because if he blows out his knee again at any point the next three years, he's still getting at least the $63 million he would have gotten with an offer sheet this year. And if he blows up, he uses the early termination provision like LeBron has and opts out while collecting say at least $46 million in those first three years. He then can re-up for a bigger deal if he's worth it then.

For the Suns, they really only risk the same $63-$65 million they risk now via an offer sheet, should his knees go bad. If he blows up, you've still got him for three years and hold his Bird rights. And he would have been worth that 3/$46 you would have paid him to date.

I guess you're right... it would be pretty ridiculous to take the QO... That's a lot of money lost in one year that he'd have to make up on the next deal. Saying no to $12m/year would mean he'd have to make up the $8m lost in the first year over the course of the following 3 years, which means he'd need a salary of around $15 mil. Add the risk component to that, and it starts to look really dumb to say no to 4/$48.

Curious to see what happens.