Official Trade Thread: The Block Is Hot!!

[MilotheSlayer]

There is not a chance in this world that Cleveland trades Love this season. Sorry.

The way they (players) make it sound I think Cleveland should be terrified that Love will opt out after this year and go somewhere else during free agency. Will it happen? Who knows. I think they might want to look into to moving him before they lose him for nothing. His personality just doesn't seem to me meshing with Lebron's Ego

If we trade for him, we wont be terrified that he will opt out... cause we will be completely sure he would and we lose assets for nothing. Im up for addition by subtraction as far as trading Green, Thomas, possibly Tucker and possibly the Twins gets our young guys playing time. But we should be able to actually get worth wild assets back, like vet leaders. David West keeps coming to mind. Question, if Amare gets bought out and decides to come here, would posters here be more willing to trade the Morri to get assets and make room?

I think he'd play out his contract with us. I don't think we have a toxic locker room and we don't have an alpha male talking about him to the media. Ideally he wants to wait till '16 to be a free agent to get the big payday. Also, I like Amare, I just don't know if he fits a need for us.

[bwgood77]

I think we get Love at the deadline. We ship them the Morri and Dragic, we bring back Love. Love commits to us through the end of this contract so we get him for 2 years for sure. Or team has the talent and potential that in 2 years Love would resign with us.

It's funny, I'm listening to the BS Report right now with Zach Lowe and they were talking about whether Love would be traded. Zach Lowe thinks no team would risk trading for him with the fact he will likely opt out and could leave. Lowe then mentioned Phx for Markieff and other pieces.

Simmons then said he wouldn't trade Kieff straight up for Love. Lowe said especially when you consider their contracts....but also mentioned he didn't think Phx would do it.

Simmons then asked Lowe how many picks Boston would have to throw in along with Sullinger and Bass to get love.

It seems people here have pined for Sullinger in the past. Obviously Simmons thinks Kieff is miles better.

It's pretty amazing how underrated Kieff is among many Suns fans. Or at least among a handful of posters on these forums who post a lot.

[Fo-Real]

I dont think Love is available to us at all so... As far as Amare.... if he gets bought out... COME HOME MAN!! Good vet in his old age, can still score, has a post game, sticks mid range, can still ocasionally blow by someone, with good guard play.. he fits.

[bwgood77]

There is not a chance in this world that Cleveland trades Love this season. Sorry.

The way they (players) make it sound I think Cleveland should be terrified that Love will opt out after this year and go somewhere else during free agency. Will it happen? Who knows. I think they might want to look into to moving him before they lose him for nothing. His personality just doesn't seem to me meshing with Lebron's Ego

If we trade for him, we wont be terrified that he will opt out... cause we will be completely sure he would and we lose assets for nothing. Im up for addition by subtraction as far as trading Green, Thomas, possibly Tucker and possibly the Twins gets our young guys playing time. But we should be able to actually get worth wild assets back, like vet leaders. David West keeps coming to mind. Question, if Amare gets bought out and decides to come here, would posters here be more willing to trade the Morri to get assets and make room?

You're asking if we get Amare if people would be fine if we traded the twins just for addition by subtraction purposes? I think the vast majority would not want to trade them if we were not getting at least equal assets/talent back.

I'm sure a few very repetitive posters would say to trade them all for scraps because Ennis, Warren and Goodwin will probably lead us to a championship in time if only they can get on the floor this season, but that probably doesn't represent a large contingent of the fan base.

[bwgood77]

I dont think Love is available to us at all so... As far as Amare.... if he gets bought out... COME HOME MAN!! Good vet in his old age, can still score, has a post game, sticks mid range, can still ocasionally blow by someone, with good guard play.. he fits.

I love Amare, but this sure as hell won't help get Warren on the floor any more. I think his days as a Sun have past.

[In Len We Trust]

Why get Amare when we could get a backup big man in the draft?

[RaisingArizona]

I think we get Love at the deadline. We ship them the Morri and Dragic, we bring back Love. Love commits to us through the end of this contract so we get him for 2 years for sure. Or team has the talent and potential that in 2 years Love would resign with us.

It's funny, I'm listening to the BS Report right now with Zach Lowe and they were talking about whether Love would be traded. Zach Lowe thinks no team would risk trading for him with the fact he will likely opt out and could leave. Lowe then mentioned Phx for Markieff and other pieces.

Simmons then said he wouldn't trade Kieff straight up for Love. Lowe said especially when you consider their contracts....but also mentioned he didn't think Phx would do it.

Simmons then asked Lowe how many picks Boston would have to throw in along with Sullinger and Bass to get love.

It seems people here have pined for Sullinger in the past. Obviously Simmons thinks Kieff is miles better.

It's pretty amazing how underrated Kieff is among many Suns fans. Or at least among a handful of posters on these forums who post a lot.

The tankers here don't like him. Unfortunately, half of our board wants us to trade everyone over 25 and just lose for a few years.

[bwgood77]

The way they (players) make it sound I think Cleveland should be terrified that Love will opt out after this year and go somewhere else during free agency. Will it happen? Who knows. I think they might want to look into to moving him before they lose him for nothing. His personality just doesn't seem to me meshing with Lebron's Ego

If we trade for him, we wont be terrified that he will opt out... cause we will be completely sure he would and we lose assets for nothing. Im up for addition by subtraction as far as trading Green, Thomas, possibly Tucker and possibly the Twins gets our young guys playing time. But we should be able to actually get worth wild assets back, like vet leaders. David West keeps coming to mind. Question, if Amare gets bought out and decides to come here, would posters here be more willing to trade the Morri to get assets and make room?

I think he'd play out his contract with us. I don't think we have a toxic locker room and we don't have an alpha male talking about him to the media. Ideally he wants to wait till '16 to be a free agent to get the big payday. Also, I like Amare, I just don't know if he fits a need for us.

I think he might, but then I do think, that unless he just absolutely loved Phx, that he would leave for LA in 2016 to get that monster contract and be in LA.

However, a part of me wonders if the Love to LA stuff is overblown. I read something recently that said he is a big introvert, and that he only had a couple of friends on the TWolves team (Pek, Brewer) and that Pek could barely get him to come out of his apartment.

He might just hate all the extra attention with this Cleveland thing and being in LA might not be as big of a deal to him as people think it is. I also saw his agent say there is zero chance he opts out to go to LA (of course I don't read too much into these comments because true intentions are rarely disclosed)...but all together it is a bit interesting.

[Jdiddy701]

At the point, Suns need to make a trade. I don't care who it is as long as it's not Bledsoe or Len.


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[rsavaj]

The Amare thing was just me being sentimental. We don't have a roster spot for him, and at this point, I think we need Plumlee's rim protection more than Amare's scoring prowess(which is still there).

Besides, none of our guards know how to run a pick and roll anyways. We have a pick and roll monster in Wright and nobody hits him when he rolls...

[MilotheSlayer]

If we trade for him, we wont be terrified that he will opt out... cause we will be completely sure he would and we lose assets for nothing. Im up for addition by subtraction as far as trading Green, Thomas, possibly Tucker and possibly the Twins gets our young guys playing time. But we should be able to actually get worth wild assets back, like vet leaders. David West keeps coming to mind. Question, if Amare gets bought out and decides to come here, would posters here be more willing to trade the Morri to get assets and make room?

I think he'd play out his contract with us. I don't think we have a toxic locker room and we don't have an alpha male talking about him to the media. Ideally he wants to wait till '16 to be a free agent to get the big payday. Also, I like Amare, I just don't know if he fits a need for us.

I think he might, but then I do think, that unless he just absolutely loved Phx, that he would leave for LA in 2016 to get that monster contract and be in LA.

However, a part of me wonders if the Love to LA stuff is overblown. I read something recently that said he is a big introvert, and that he only had a couple of friends on the TWolves team (Pek, Brewer) and that Pek could barely get him to come out of his apartment.

He might just hate all the extra attention with this Cleveland thing and being in LA might not be as big of a deal to him as people think it is. I also saw his agent say there is zero chance he opts out to go to LA (of course I don't read too much into these comments because true intentions are rarely disclosed)...but all together it is a bit interesting.

I think the market in PHX would be a good fit for him. I think his rebounding would be a major addition. I do agree that people underrate Markief on this board, myself included. To be a true contender I think our team needs an upgrade at either the 3/4. Kief is the best player at either position but he also might be our best option at upgrading one of those positions.

[bwgood77]

I think we get Love at the deadline. We ship them the Morri and Dragic, we bring back Love. Love commits to us through the end of this contract so we get him for 2 years for sure. Or team has the talent and potential that in 2 years Love would resign with us.

It's funny, I'm listening to the BS Report right now with Zach Lowe and they were talking about whether Love would be traded. Zach Lowe thinks no team would risk trading for him with the fact he will likely opt out and could leave. Lowe then mentioned Phx for Markieff and other pieces.

Simmons then said he wouldn't trade Kieff straight up for Love. Lowe said especially when you consider their contracts....but also mentioned he didn't think Phx would do it.

Simmons then asked Lowe how many picks Boston would have to throw in along with Sullinger and Bass to get love.

It seems people here have pined for Sullinger in the past. Obviously Simmons thinks Kieff is miles better.

It's pretty amazing how underrated Kieff is among many Suns fans. Or at least among a handful of posters on these forums who post a lot.

The tankers here don't like him. Unfortunately, half of our board wants us to trade everyone over 25 and just lose for a few years.

It's funny, listening to the end of the BS Report, Simmons is talking about how this is the best year ever for NBA League Pass, and then he says he is irrationally attached to Phx and takes their losses badly. He says they are so much fun to watch and he really wants them to make the playoffs.

It's just so weird to hear things like this after reading how so many around here seem to despise this team and can't stand to watch them.

[bwgood77]

I think he'd play out his contract with us. I don't think we have a toxic locker room and we don't have an alpha male talking about him to the media. Ideally he wants to wait till '16 to be a free agent to get the big payday. Also, I like Amare, I just don't know if he fits a need for us.

I think he might, but then I do think, that unless he just absolutely loved Phx, that he would leave for LA in 2016 to get that monster contract and be in LA.

However, a part of me wonders if the Love to LA stuff is overblown. I read something recently that said he is a big introvert, and that he only had a couple of friends on the TWolves team (Pek, Brewer) and that Pek could barely get him to come out of his apartment.

He might just hate all the extra attention with this Cleveland thing and being in LA might not be as big of a deal to him as people think it is. I also saw his agent say there is zero chance he opts out to go to LA (of course I don't read too much into these comments because true intentions are rarely disclosed)...but all together it is a bit interesting.

I think the market in PHX would be a good fit for him. I think his rebounding would be a major addition. I do agree that people underrate Markief on this board, myself included. To be a true contender I think our team needs an upgrade at either the 3/4. Kief is the best player at either position but he also might be our best option at upgrading one of those positions.

Yeah, I think I probably like Kieff better than 90% of the people on this board, but I probably also like Love better than 90% of the people on this board and think he is the perfect fit for this team. I'd be happy with either.

[letsgosuns]

Too many problems with Kevin Love. Horrible defender, no real post up game, and is having a hard time playing with Lebron. Seriously, who in this league has a hard time playing with Lebron? Sure you might have to sacrifice a little bit of scoring but Lebron makes the game so much easier for his teammates. Think about how bad the Cavs were when Lebron was out injured compared to since he has been back. Night and Day difference. If you have a problem playing with Lebron, something is wrong with you. Also, considering the fact that Markieff Morris literally torches Kevin Love every time he plays him, I do not see the attraction to trading for Love. Some people were just saying it seems like Markieff has not had a big game since he scored 35 points against the Cavs. Well who do you think was guarding him most of the game before Lebron took over in the fourth.

[bwgood77]

Too many problems with Kevin Love. Horrible defender, no real post up game, and is having a hard time playing with Lebron. Seriously, who in this league has a hard time playing with Lebron? Sure you might have to sacrifice a little bit of scoring but Lebron makes the game so much easier for his teammates. Think about how bad the Cavs were when Lebron was out injured compared to since he has been back. Night and Day difference. If you have a problem playing with Lebron, something is wrong with you. Also, considering the fact that Markieff Morris literally torches Kevin Love every time he plays him, I do not see the attraction to trading for Love. Some people were just saying it seems like Markieff has not had a big game since he scored 35 points against the Cavs. Well who do you think was guarding him most of the game before Lebron took over in the fourth.

Yeah, he has problems, but he has elite skills too and would improve spacing, ball movement and rebounding tremendously. But I doubt he is going anywhere. It's too risky for us to give up too much for him anyway with his opt out clause. I don't even know if we could make salaries match easily anyway. Overall, Cleveland is playing much better as of late, so it would be risky for them to shake it up again unless they are scared they are going to lose him for nothing this offseason and/or LeBron really doesn't like him.

So Cleveland would have to be desperate to make the move AND the Suns would have to really want to move the twins as some here claiming insider status have alluded to.

But I don't know if that would make us better or not, and we could end up without a PF for next year.

[Sunsss]

Interesting comments from Horny: http://arizonasports.com/41/1806173/Sun ... y-in-games

[Kerrsed]

It's funny, listening to the end of the BS Report, Simmons is talking about how this is the best year ever for NBA League Pass, and then he says he is irrationally attached to Phx and takes their losses badly. He says they are so much fun to watch and he really wants them to make the playoffs.

It's just so weird to hear things like this after reading how so many around here seem to despise this team and can't stand to watch them.

Thats because the Suns are OUR team, and we value winning over anything else. Simmons is a Boston fan. He could care less if the Suns win or not, he just enjoys the faster up-and-down pace of the game. Win or lose, it dont matter to him. He isnt emotionally invested in the team like we are. Would you rather watch the Suns play an entertaining uptempo game and lose or a Spurs-like slower tempo game and win?

I'd take the Win anyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

[lilfishi22]

I don't expect Warren/Goodwin/Ennis to make an immediate impact. I just want them to play and develop their games. I don't mind the Suns being blown out by 20+ every game if our young players are given 20 mpg.

Just trade Green, Morrii and Thomas for fillers/picks if there's no better offer.

Building a winning culture brick by brick

[Revived]

It's funny, listening to the end of the BS Report, Simmons is talking about how this is the best year ever for NBA League Pass, and then he says he is irrationally attached to Phx and takes their losses badly. He says they are so much fun to watch and he really wants them to make the playoffs.

It's just so weird to hear things like this after reading how so many around here seem to despise this team and can't stand to watch them.

Thats because the Suns are OUR team, and we value winning over anything else. Simmons is a Boston fan. He could care less if the Suns win or not, he just enjoys the faster up-and-down pace of the game. Win or lose, it dont matter to him. He isnt emotionally invested in the team like we are. Would you rather watch the Suns play an entertaining uptempo game and lose or a Spurs-like slower tempo game and win?

I'd take the Win anyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

^THIS.

People need to realkze this more.

We're not the Lakers, Celtics, Mavs, Rockets, KNICKS or Heat.

NOBODY gives a s**t about us. Nobody. All that the media care about is watching entertaining fast paced stuff and yes because of that, Suns are "fun to watch".

It's like that hot blonde vs the good looking smart brunette discussion. Would you marry the hot blonde with no brain or the smart brunette who has a career and knows what she's gonna do?

The hot blonde is one I would hit it and quit but I wouldn't be emotionally attached to them or care about them.

That's how the Suns are right now.

[BurningHeart]

It's funny, listening to the end of the BS Report, Simmons is talking about how this is the best year ever for NBA League Pass, and then he says he is irrationally attached to Phx and takes their losses badly. He says they are so much fun to watch and he really wants them to make the playoffs.

It's just so weird to hear things like this after reading how so many around here seem to despise this team and can't stand to watch them.

Thats because the Suns are OUR team, and we value winning over anything else. Simmons is a Boston fan. He could care less if the Suns win or not, he just enjoys the faster up-and-down pace of the game. Win or lose, it dont matter to him. He isnt emotionally invested in the team like we are. Would you rather watch the Suns play an entertaining uptempo game and lose or a Spurs-like slower tempo game and win?

I'd take the Win anyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

You can be entertaining and likable and still win.

The Suns have what, the fourth or fifth highest winning percentage in the history of the NBA? Yeah I'd like a title too but you know what? Only one team wins a title per year and you know what? It's not usually based on style of play.

I'll take playing with the identity our franchise has had so far with a shot to win most of the time (Because your playing style gets you to WCFs repeatedly and somehow, someway it just stops "working" just like that? No. As we've seen, circumstances matter.) than sacrificing all that to becoming a detestable, ISO-oriented, bad shot-taking, flopping, whining, idiocy-driven basketball team.

After all, a big part of why we watch *is* to be entertained. Sure, winning titles would be the most entertaining but I'm not willing to sacrifice what made me and kept me in love with the Phoenix Suns because I reject the premise that you have to in order to win a title. Just like I rejected it in 2008 when Mike D'Antoni was pushed out because we "didn't play defense" and then brought in that loser Terry Porter to install a "better system" which failed spectacularly, only for him to get fired and bring Alvin Gentry in which led us to getting to yet another WCF the year after.

These Suns are *not* fun to watch. And they haven't been all year. And it's all due to the direction this roster has taken. And I don't anticipate it changing, because it hasn't thus far and we're 50 games in.