The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[saintEscaton]

Pass on both, reasons stated in the raft thread. Gimme Deyonta Davis over either any day

[jcsunsfan]

Why everyone wants to resign Mirza? He's much older than our core and don't give anything other than shooting. And someone will probably will offer him big money.
I'd rather give big short term contract to someone like Terrence Jones, Motiejunas etc. If it works we got the bird rights if not we got huge expiring.

Mirza has a good back-to-the-basket game, too. He is a decent rebounder, and his defense is undervalued (although not good). And everybody loves him. You gotta keep the likeable guys around, seriously.

Because Mirza is a quality veteran, seems to be a good locker room guy, and he wants to play here, so we might be able to sign him at a slight discount. He is also a vet who will understand coming off the bench behind a younger starting power forward. Every roster needs vets. He is the perfect type of vet for a young roster. A player like Ryan Anderson is going to expect to start.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I was thinking about what young pf could Suns sign this offseason. Even made a pool on GB:
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1440253#start_here

Here is statistic comparison, added Andrew Nicholson, as someone suggested:
http://bkref.com/tiny/pmFGK

Honestly I still don't know who I would go for. Sully seems to be the most talented but also most risky. Nicholson is best shooter. DMo stats are disappointing.

If we could sign someone on big contract but with team option in 2nd year it wouldn't be that risky but potentially hight reward move.

I wouldn't sign any of them. I prefer to fill the void at PF via draft.

Meh. None of them is good enough to be a long term starter in the NBA and they are all restricted free agents, which means the offer sheet must be for at least two seasons (not including option years). I'd rater keep Mirza.

Agree on both points. There are only two PFs in the draft who could start for an NBA team in their first year - Simmons and Ellenson. Assuming we don't draft 1 or 2, Ellenson's the guy.

Bledsoe/Knight/Price
Booker/Bogdanovic/Goodwin
Warren/Tucker
Ellenson/Teletovic
Len/Chandler

Before any trades, and without counting the #13/#28. The problem I see with that lineup is defense. Terrific on the glass, in transition, shooting and on offense generally.

Ellenson is an interesting prospect. He works hard, has a decent offensive game, even rebounds well. To me, he seems to have slow feet--even when he runs the floor. It would make him a liability on defense. Comparing him to Sabonis. Sabonis has quick feet and can close out on defense quickly. He has a highly developed post game and is a quality rebounder. Sabonis doesn't have Ellenson's length, and it seems he doesn't have his shooting ability. I would think that alot of teams will be trying to decide between these two at some point in the draft.

I think Ellenson will give you more interior defense, and should be able to slide to 5. Sabonis doesn't seem to me to be able to provide a lot of interior defense. On the perimeter, things reverse, as Sabonis's feet are much quicker, while Ellenson should be easy for most pros to blow by. Ellenson has a much higher upside on offense due to his smooth jumper and handle. I think that overall, that, plus Ellenson's physical profile, gives him a significant edge over Sabonis.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Pass on both, reasons stated in htedraft thread. Gimme Deyonta Davis over either any day

Deyonta looks like he'll be the best defender of the three. On offense, though, I don't see him as being much more than a finisher. Reminds me of every other Davis who's come before him - Ed, Antonio and Dale.

[saintEscaton]

Ellenson has a wider base and longer measurables but is actually the inferior post defender, Sabonis is harde rto back down and can body up traditional bigs. I think Ellenson will be a Vucevic level turnstile on the other end with limited offensive upside other than facing up at the elbows. Davis is raw but the most balanced PF prospect who doesn't have any huge holes in his game IMO

[TeamTragic]

I'm not sure why people here still think a star is coming. Either we pull off a blockbuster trade (unlikely) or we build through the draft. I agree that we can't do both so this front office needs to be clear about what we are doing this offseason and the next.

I think we should keep out draft pick(s) this year and go for an even higher pick next year.

[SideSwipe]

I'm not sure why people here still think a star is coming. Either we pull of a blockbuster trade (unlikely) or we build through the draft. I agree that we can't do both so this front office needs to be clear about what we are doing this offseason and the next.

I think we should keep out draft pick(s) this year and go for an even higher pick next year.

It has to start with a trade. We have enough ancillary pieces to build from there.

I think we need to trade for one, then sign one.

We might even be able to trade for two and still sign one, burs it's less likely. While I don't think the super-tier players are moving, I think there will be 1-3 2nd tier guys on the move. We need to act quickly and trade for one once the season is done to get on the radar.

[gaspar]

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[TeamTragic]

I'm not sure why people here still think a star is coming. Either we pull off a blockbuster trade (unlikely) or we build through the draft. I agree that we can't do both so this front office needs to be clear about what we are doing this offseason and the next.

I think we should keep out draft pick(s) this year and go for an even higher pick next year.

It has to start with a trade. We have enough ancillary pieces to build from there.

I think we need to trade for one, then sign one.

We might even be able to trade for two and still sign one, burs it's less likely. While I don't think the super-tier players are moving, I think there will be 1-3 2nd tier guys on the move. We need to act quickly and trade for one once the season is done to get on the radar.

Do we trade the 2016 #1 for a star (i.e. Cousins) if we get lucky?

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[saintEscaton]

Vlade may be the nominal head of Basketbal Operations but really just another a yes man and for Vivek who still has the final say. No way he agrees to deal him for an underwhelming package

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

You don't trade for Barkley until you've won some playoff series. He'll be a FA in a couple years anyway. Stick with the plan.

[bwgood77]

"Lets just sign a star."

"Lets draft A Kawhi Leonard."

That pipe ain't big enough for all these dreams.

Those are some great ideas though.

[bwgood77]

I was thinking about what young pf could Suns sign this offseason. Even made a pool on GB:
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1440253#start_here

Here is statistic comparison, added Andrew Nicholson, as someone suggested:
http://bkref.com/tiny/pmFGK

Honestly I still don't know who I would go for. Sully seems to be the most talented but also most risky. Nicholson is best shooter. DMo stats are disappointing.

If we could sign someone on big contract but with team option in 2nd year it wouldn't be that risky but potentially hight reward move.

I wouldn't sign any of them. I prefer to fill the void at PF via draft.

Meh. None of them is good enough to be a long term starter in the NBA and they are all restricted free agents, which means the offer sheet must be for at least two seasons (not including option years). I'd rater keep Mirza.

Agree on both points. There are only two PFs in the draft who could start for an NBA team in their first year - Simmons and Ellenson. Assuming we don't draft 1 or 2, Ellenson's the guy.

Bledsoe/Knight/Price
Booker/Bogdanovic/Goodwin
Warren/Tucker
Ellenson/Teletovic
Len/Chandler

Before any trades, and without counting the #13/#28. The problem I see with that lineup is defense. Terrific on the glass, in transition, shooting and on offense generally.

Ellenson is an interesting prospect. He works hard, has a decent offensive game, even rebounds well. To me, he seems to have slow feet--even when he runs the floor. It would make him a liability on defense. Comparing him to Sabonis. Sabonis has quick feet and can close out on defense quickly. He has a highly developed post game and is a quality rebounder. Sabonis doesn't have Ellenson's length, and it seems he doesn't have his shooting ability. I would think that alot of teams will be trying to decide between these two at some point in the draft.

If you are going to compare multi year college guys to freshmen, I think it's better to compare what those guys did in their freshman year's. Most of these freshman ranked near the top, were FAR better than the more experienced guys coming out at the same point in their career, so there is likely MUCH more upside.

I really like Sabonis though, and he did seem to make massive strides and can always rely on him having a great bbiq.

[bwgood77]

I think we need to continue to build through the draft and grow together as a team. If you are among the worst teams in the league and then gut even THAT team of some of it's better assets to add a "star" or "superstar" then you just become the Kings.

We need to draft a PF or two and sign one because the draftees, depending on who they are, will likely not be ready to start for awhile even if they get quite a few minutes. I wouldn't mind signing Telly, and I like Leuer for likely what he would cost, but I think a guy that might be good for the team is Marvin Williams.

One of the many things I like about Nic Batum is if you ask him a serious question, you won’t be met with a series of clichés. He replies consistently in a thought-provoking manner.

Here’s the question I posed after Wednesday’s victory:

“Steve Clifford calls you the quarterback of the offense. He calls Marvin Williams the quarterback of the defense. How would you describe Marvin’s impact on games?”

Batum harkened back to Game 4 when Williams didn’t score a point. And yet, in Batum’s eyes, Williams was the best player on the court for all he contributed as a defender and a rebounder.

On Wednesday, Williams regained his shooting form, making seven of 10 shots for a game-high 17 points in the 90-88 road victory over the Heat. The Hornets are a victory away from advancing to the second round.

And Williams, regardless of how he has shot in this series, has been a huge part of the success.

This is how Batum put it: “Probably the coach loves no one more than Marvin.”

There are many reasons for that affection. Williams arrived for training camp in exceptional shape. He was disappointed with himself and his team based on the previous non-playoff season and turned that into remarkable motivation.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article74366457.html#storylink=cpy

Though I'm guessing he will probably want to stay in Charlotte and not jump ship as a free agent to one of the four worst teams in the league.

[Saberestar]

Marvin Williams has increased his value around the league a lot in the playoffs. He has been consistent all season long, but against the Heat he is on another level. I didn't see this coming. ..he always was to me a meh player.

I think he is gonna be paid this summer a lot, something around $40M/3 years.

[saintEscaton]

Chriss is basically a dumber Marvin Williams 2.0 who can catch lobs. Lets just draft him

[TeamTragic]

I'm all aboard for Batum. Now that Cousins is on the block AGAIN what would we offer? I assume Boston has a draft day trade ready to go if I know Ainge

[bwgood77]

Chriss is basically a dumber Marvin Williams 2.0 who can catch lobs. Lets just draft him

Thanks so much for the insightful thoughts on a 19 year old and what he can become. If he can become like former #1 pick Marvin Williams and we have what Williams is now for 10 years with like the 12th pick, great.

Chriss' potential and what he might be is about as up in the air as it could be.

It's humorous the way you paint the guys you don't like as being awful and then take big caution in praising the guys you do in case they are terrible.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I think we'll absolutely throw the kitchen sink at the likes of DeMarcus Cousins, Jimmy Butler, Blake Griffin, Kevin Love.

No better time with our assets of 10 first round picks through 2021, 4 rookies, 4 experienced players.

McDonough under pressure and a weak draft.

[Saberestar]

I don't want Cousins at all. His talent is great but he is dumb like not too many players in the league. His actions are ridiculous and an embarrassment a lot of times.

I prefer to build around the draft....I would make a big time offer for the #2 pick to get Ingram.