The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

[carey]

I'm calling my free agent shot. Because we haven't been linked to him and McDonough makes signings out of nowhere... I think we sign Luol Deng for 2/30, and we are signing him to play PF.

Bledsoe/Ulis
Knight/Booker
Warren/(Deng)
Deng/Bender/Chris
Len/Chandler/Williams

MINUS ONE.... Cmon mods, let's get that button added.

I didn't say it is what I want, I said it's what I think McDonough will do. Can we get a ,,I,, button also?

[letsgosuns]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 1m1 minute ago
OKC, meanwhile, continues to probe the league for potential trade partners to take on Enes Kanter to free up money for a run at Al Horford

[bwgood77]

Adding guys like these are useless tho, your adding players to help make you a more improved average team. You have to do one of two things

Go with a youth movement move the old assets chandler, tucker, and allow young guys to develope play and get better,

Go after players that if your young guys come on you can be a contender.

IMO championship teams add good role players that take them over the hump not average teams

That's funny, you mention, because I am in a simulation mock offseason right now and all the other GMs are just handing out CRAZY deals. I am going to end up going super young. Already traded Tucker and Chandler. I would like to have one vet at SF and PF, but not necessarily an expensive one.

I'm trying to add Ish as a backup pg for the cheap and then I was looking for a defensive wing but the deals being handed out are outrageous, so I am trying to trade for the last year of Thabo just to back Warren up. But I wouldn't mind getting a vet PF like West to mentor the young guys. Here is the mock if you want to see the crazy deals. If it reflects reality at all, this weekend will be crazy... viewtopic.php?f=340&t=1458723#start_here

I prefer Leuer to Telly though. I think we probably try and keep Telly only because for some reason the team seems to like him better and he likes Phx and Watson benched Leuer even though he was the better all around player.

The main reason I'd want Marvin Williams is not to make us try to get into the playoffs, but to be a guy Chriss and Bender learn from. He was the defensive leader in Charlotte this season, a defensive team and also a 4 who can hit the 3. He is the PERFECT guy for us to go for.

Seems weird to move vets like Chandler and Tucker and then search for other vets to mentor the young players. Personally I like the team we have right now. We are probably all in agreement there is no free agent we can get the will be a game changer and push us into the mid-to-top tier of playoff teams.

Some media are throwing out the idea that we go after Dudley who can play PF in small ball lineups. Another positive attitude glue guy that would really help the youngsters. I think we over pay him for two years and try to get Ish or Price on the cheap.

Bledose / Price or Ish / Ullis
Booker / Knight / Goodwin
Warren / Dudley or Tucker
Dudley or Tucker / Bender / Chriss
Len / Chandler / Williams

The young guys will get plenty of burn and both Dudley and Tucker would be easy to move around the trade deadline for picks. We would get more return for them in February than right now.

I actually like Tucker and Chandler. The trade I made in the sim was to get younger and get a more productive player. I really wanted Dudley too, and wanted to go after him but every other team wanted him too.

I actually would love to get Dudley back even if it seems like an overpay, but he will also probably get offered a 4 year deal for about $40.

[MrMiyagi]

Its actually not crazy, its the New NBA.

In the "Old" NBA, how much would Bazemore get? Would he have gotten the Bledsoe/Knight deal? He was probably worth around $8 million, but would likely get $10 million. So using that handy chart, that would equate to about $14 million with the new cap. $17 million is still an overpay.

He's way better than Knight.

Based on what? One season of alright production?

[bwgood77]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 1m1 minute ago
OKC, meanwhile, continues to probe the league for potential trade partners to take on Enes Kanter to free up money for a run at Al Horford

I wonder how much space they need.

[OGBAH]

Holy s Jordan Hill 15 mil a year
I can't new nba yet

[bwgood77]

In the "Old" NBA, how much would Bazemore get? Would he have gotten the Bledsoe/Knight deal? He was probably worth around $8 million, but would likely get $10 million. So using that handy chart, that would equate to about $14 million with the new cap. $17 million is still an overpay.

He's way better than Knight.

Based on what? One season of alright production?

Well, I'm looking at him from a defensive perspective, and he is leagues better than Brandon Knight on defense. And I don't particularly care (or I actually hate) Brandon Knight's offensive game. He will put up a monster game and if all his shots are going in he will start passing and rebounding more and you think "wow" but the other 80-90% of the time he jacks up shots (usually long 2 pointers after 10 seconds of dribbling), turns it over about as much as he assists. People always say 20/5/4 or whatever, but those #s come at a HUGE cost, and I'm not only talking about $.

On offense, Bazemore plays within his limitations and has improved and knows his role.

[dremill24]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 1m1 minute ago
OKC, meanwhile, continues to probe the league for potential trade partners to take on Enes Kanter to free up money for a run at Al Horford

I wonder how much space they need.

Unless Al takes a bit of a discount its gonna be tough. And based on the OKC track record it may not be sustainable, as Adams will be in line for a big contract as well, and historically Presti deals those guys ahead of time..so then instead of Ibaka, Kanter, and Adams theyre left with just Horford. They could find some bargains, or Sabonis could turn out really well, but I dunno..Then again Presti is a much better salary cap expert than i am.

[Kerrsed]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 1m1 minute ago
OKC, meanwhile, continues to probe the league for potential trade partners to take on Enes Kanter to free up money for a run at Al Horford

I could see Boston biting on this. They just talked to 3 of their players who have team options and were able to push their "Guarantee Date" back to 7/7. This could allow them to trade the contract(s) to OKC for Kanter to make the trade work salary wise, then OKC gives them their waivers. It frees up the capspace for them to snag Horford, and gives Boston a big (PF/C) that is known for his offense to put next to a maybe newly signed defensive Howard.

Westbrook/Oladipo/Durant/Horford/Addams

IT/Bradley/Crowder/Kanter/D12

[bwgood77]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 1m1 minute ago
OKC, meanwhile, continues to probe the league for potential trade partners to take on Enes Kanter to free up money for a run at Al Horford

I wonder how much space they need.

Unless Al takes a bit of a discount its gonna be tough. And based on the OKC track record it may not be sustainable, as Adams will be in line for a big contract as well, and historically Presti deals those guys ahead of time..so then instead of Ibaka, Kanter, and Adams theyre left with just Horford. They could find some bargains, or Sabonis could turn out really well, but I dunno..Then again Presti is a much better salary cap expert than i am.

I'm a little surprised they are after Horford. He didn't look so great in the playoffs.

[saintEscaton]

Let some other crazy make that mistake.

Its actually not crazy, its the New NBA.

Actually Bazemore is one of the few guys worth that. The more I back up and look at the entire financial picture, he might be one of the TOP guys to go for if you want a defensive wing...IF you think he can play SF. I would 100x rather have him than Barnes.

Also, if Ish Smith is under the radar and can be had on the cheap, I'd take him over Price in a heartbeat. You wouldn't need to pay him a ton. I'd like Ulis to be the backup, but he may have surgery and with injury concerns with Bledsoe, I think Ish might be worth it as the 3rd pg.

But I NEVER want Brandon Knight to play PG.

The problem with Budenholzer guys are some are exposed as products of the system when they leave and play under a rigid continuity offense where they don't benefit from free flowing read n react motion. DMC hasn't looked that great in Toronto, Baze has more filled his absence and was slightly beter in DBPM, blocks and steals per 36. B aze has a near 7 foot wingspan and can body up when necessary so he can stick at the 3 despite his height disadvantage, he is an above average rebounder even at that position and top 5 percentile in per possesion effeciency in catch n shoot situations

[King4Day]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 1m1 minute ago
OKC, meanwhile, continues to probe the league for potential trade partners to take on Enes Kanter to free up money for a run at Al Horford

Maybe a 3way deal where we ship out Knight?
Either way, I dont want his contract

[MrMiyagi]

I feel like Bazemore is in the same category as Shumpert. Would you pay Shump $17 million?

[OGBAH]

Can't we make Amare our new Grant Hill?
Old a$$ washed up broke player turned how's he doing this at his age... Makes sense just to have him body our rooks in practice imo. In short I miss Amare and want him back.

[bwgood77]

I really wish in about an hour my phone would start ringing, people at my door with pitches of why I should come work for them. I mean I wouldn't even necessarily need an 8 figure contract...heck, I could probably do without 7 figures. I mean I'm not gonna be greedy. If the situation was right, I could probably go for like $800K over 3 or something.

[OGBAH]

What's really pi$$in me off is these reports that the Dubs what every free agent out there and they can get them NP

[bwgood77]

I feel like Bazemore is in the same category as Shumpert. Would you pay Shump $17 million?

No, but I don't have that kind of cash.

[saintEscaton]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 1m1 minute ago
OKC, meanwhile, continues to probe the league for potential trade partners to take on Enes Kanter to free up money for a run at Al Horford

I could see Boston biting on this. They just talked to 3 of their players who have team options and were able to push their "Guarantee Date" back to 7/7. This could allow them to trade the contract(s) to OKC for Kanter to make the trade work salary wise, then OKC gives them their waivers. It frees up the capspace for them to snag Horford, and gives Boston a big (PF/C) that is known for his offense to put next to a maybe newly signed defensive Howard.

Westbrook/Oladipo/Durant/Horford/Addams

IT/Bradley/Crowder/Kanter/D12

Stevens really emphasizes floor spacing bigs who can be pick n pop threats because their backcourt is less than stellar from beyond the arc besides Bradley. I don't think that frontcourt can get up and down the court in time

[King4Day]

What's really pi$$in me off is these reports that the Dubs what every free agent out there and they can get them NP

I heard that if Philly signs Barnes to a max deal, to not be surprised if it's a sign and trade that sends one of Okafor or Noel back to the W's.

Why would ANY team try to help out the Warriors right now? They should be blackballed until they come back down to earth a bit. That team has the ability to win big for the next 5+ years.

[saintEscaton]

What's really pi$$in me off is these reports that the Dubs what every free agent out there and they can get them NP

I heard that if Philly signs Barnes to a max deal, to not be surprised if it's a sign and trade that sends one of Okafor or Noel back to the W's.

Why would ANY team try to help out the Warriors right now? They should be blackballed until they come back down to earth a bit. That team has the ability to win big for the next 5+ years.

omg Noel on the Dubs would be ridiculous, game over the league is screwed. There were rumors of a deal involving Livingston for him