Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 3: #TheTimeline

[thamadkant]

No, my thoughts was if Suns clear their roster for Anthony Davis, they will also clear unwanted salaries and only have rookie contracts. Thus allowing 2 max contracts to be added on top of Davis and the players on rookie contracts.

[thamadkant]

After the finals and playoffs... Klay has become option 3 or even 4 offensively. Now, its Curry and Durant taking turns... and working very well. I think if Warriors had a choice between Klay at 32 million a year or 2 wingmen who can play defense and shoot 3s, they will pick second option... because they lack depth. Besides, Green also will be commanding close to 30 million a year.

You cant have 4 players earning close to 30 million each.... Klay is the most replaceable because his shooting can be replaced by Durant and 3D role players at cheaper prices.

there's no hard-cap that forbids it, and the amount of revenue the Warriors generate can sustain it

and unlike Love in Cleveland...Klay's talent hasn't really been marginalized...still playing 30+ minutes and had a career high in FGA and PPG last season

Durant is already taking discounts to allow Warriors to sign role players with Klay and Green at the OLD max/near max contracts.

Dont think you can have 130 Million a year on 4 players... you just cant justify that.

And Durant has taken a player option after next season so he can sign for the ultra-max, potentially 40 million a year.

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[8on]

Team building is simple. You need to build around a generational superstar. The Warriors did it with Curry and attracted Durant. The Pelicans have one in Davis but have failed to attract a supporting star. We might have one in Booker; Philly might have three in Fultz, Simmons and Embiid.

Phoenix is able to attract stars (Barkley, Nash) through free agency and/or an attractive locale. We'll be attractive once we have a competitive team. For now, all we can do is wait patiently for results. If Chriss, Bender and Jackson in particular all blossom to their potentials, we could have a really powerful defense and offense. But, it all remains to be seen, because it hasn't happened yet. There's no way to accurately predict the future. It doesn't exist.

Blake Griffin could've been our second star to Booker, but it didn't pan out. It's OK. Until our guys develop, it'll probably be very difficult to attract talent. Patience is the only answer to that.

[thamadkant]

I believe Anthony Davis is obtainable...

If Suns can get a Pick #1 in the next 2 seasons.... and assuming Anthony Davis is frustrated in New Orleans. He can be obtained without giving a lot of assets.... but Pick #1 will be the center piece. Hence for the millionth time, top picks are not just for drafting players but trading for superstars.

[BobbieL]

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Knight and a our second round pick next year - heck they can have both second round picks - ours and Torontos.


They don't need Tyson Chandler since they just signed Nene - and they really don't need Knight with Eric Gordon and they don't need Dudley with PJ Tucker

So, really not an option

[Qwigglez]

Are the Kings a better team than us this season? They made a lot of moves this offseason.

[Villalobos]

Are the Kings a better team than us this season? They made a lot of moves this offseason.

Probably. They signed a bunch of decent-to-good vets in the last year they have a pick and could tank.

[BobbieL]

Are the Kings a better team than us this season? They made a lot of moves this offseason.

Probably. They signed a bunch of decent-to-good vets in the last year they have a pick and could tank.

Kings are better but again - it all depends on how the young players progress. Both Hill and Z-Bo are two year deals; well Hill has a third year option - but its about how the young players grow

I think the team in the worst shape is Portland - they spent a lot of dough on what seemed like average players and are stuck.

Kings and Suns could be darn good in 2-3 years each.

I think Morey and Rockets want assets to make a run and Melo.

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http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2017/07/06/phoenix-suns-marquese-chriss-las-vegas-summer-league/457407001/

“Last year around this time, I was feeling kind of lost, trying to figure out my place,’’ Chriss said. "Now I feel like I know what I’m doing.”

“You get Marquese Chriss in an interview and he’s such a sweetheart,” Suns coach Earl Watson said. “Then you look at the tech list, and he’s like top three, right?

First priority:

“Marquese, he has to step up and use this as a way to improve on his rebounding,” Suns summer-league coach Marlon Garnett said.

Second priority:

“Just trying to develop into a leader and being vocal,'' Chriss said. "I know I haven’t been in the NBA that long, but (I can show) them the things that I’ve learned over the past year and the things that I’ve heard from the people who have been in the NBA a while.”

Garnett said the 6-10 Chriss may play power forward or center. That’s part of the summer-league experience, to see where pieces best fit. Given his workload last season, it wouldn't be a surprise if Chriss – who turned 20 this week – misses some game action, but Garnett ruled nothing out.

“That’s pretty much going to be a call that they would have to tell me,’’ Garnett said of management. “I’m going to play the guys that I have how I see fit. Obviously, he deserves minutes, and he’s going to get minutes.”

DERRICK JONES JR.

In addition to Chriss, Jones also will try to use the summer session to grow. The high-flying wing – who finished second in last season's NBA dunk contest – will try to establish himself as a more versatile offensive threat.

"Obviously, we want him to go out and be who he is,'' Garnett said. "Try to be a scorer, be a little more aggressive, be active. He has great defensive potential (and) defensive ability. We’re going to expect that for him, but it’s going to be a big summer for him."

Jones said he's been in the gym all summer working on his jump shot. Last year – in which the UNLV product was part of the rotation for the season's second half – he shot 56.2 percent from the field but made just 3 of 11 from 3-point range.

"Everybody knows I’m a good defensive player and that I’m explosive around the rim, but that’s not my whole game,'' Jones said. "They want me to expand my game a lot further to be able to knock down 3s, come off pin downs, come off pick and rolls and make the right reads. It’s just all the things that I’ve been working on, just trying to add everything to my game."

[bwgood77]

I believe Anthony Davis is obtainable...

If Suns can get a Pick #1 in the next 2 seasons.... and assuming Anthony Davis is frustrated in New Orleans. He can be obtained without giving a lot of assets.... but Pick #1 will be the center piece. Hence for the millionth time, top picks are not just for drafting players but trading for superstars.

So you went from "if they implode early, maybe the Pelicans would...." to "Anthony Davis is obtainable"...what's next? "He's on the block"?

I mean, c'mon, they just traded for Cousins to pair with him and just overpaid Holiday to keep him there with them. They will come into the season confident, even if no one expects them to get far (which is funny, because I'm sure if we added either Cousins OR Davis, people would expect us to be a top 4 seed or something, but with them together and Holiday, they won't do much).

Our guys are too young right now to do anything with a superstar in his prime. If you add Davis to Jackson and Booker they go nowhere. At this point in time Cousins/Holiday is better than Booker/Jackson. I know that sounds absurd to many, but I believe they are.

[Moochthemonkey]

After the finals and playoffs... Klay has become option 3 or even 4 offensively. Now, its Curry and Durant taking turns... and working very well. I think if Warriors had a choice between Klay at 32 million a year or 2 wingmen who can play defense and shoot 3s, they will pick second option... because they lack depth. Besides, Green also will be commanding close to 30 million a year.

You cant have 4 players earning close to 30 million each.... Klay is the most replaceable because his shooting can be replaced by Durant and 3D role players at cheaper prices.

there's no hard-cap that forbids it, and the amount of revenue the Warriors generate can sustain it

and unlike Love in Cleveland...Klay's talent hasn't really been marginalized...still playing 30+ minutes and had a career high in FGA and PPG last season

Durant is already taking discounts to allow Warriors to sign role players with Klay and Green at the OLD max/near max contracts.

Dont think you can have 130 Million a year on 4 players... you just cant justify that.

And Durant has taken a player option after next season so he can sign for the ultra-max, potentially 40 million a year.

I think fielding perhaps the best basketball team all time that's going to the finals year after year is plenty justification

the Warriors are reaching viewership totals not seen since the Jordan days

plenty of people in SF are rich, the ticket prices are high AF yet the Warriors have consistently managed to pack house, even when they sucked for 13 years

the owners are billionaires who have investment in tech industries...if all 4 players want to stay I don't see any reason why the owners wouldn't shell out max dollars

[Puff]

To be honest, no one has signed a free agent contract that I have been interested in other than Griffin.

Good job, thus far by our front office. It is obvious that the only even potential moves will be a trade or the decisions on Len and Williams.

Boring - that is fine with me - I like what we have and want them to get playing time. I actually could care less if we sign either Len or Williams.

I am hoping that one of the big guys on the summer league team shows great promise and we sign one of them.

[bwgood77]

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[Qwigglez]

I'm pretty happy with the moves the Heat made. Signed a ton of role players keeping them mediocre. Unfortunately, being mediocre in the Eastern Conference can still get you a 6th-8th seed.

[darealjuice]

I'm curious what Len will end up getting. I would consider Olynyk a bit more valuable than him, and he only got $12.5 million per year, so I can't imagine Len getting any more than that? Going to be interesting to see how the Chandler, Len, and Williams situation plays out for us.

[BobbieL]

I'm pretty happy with the moves the Heat made. Signed a ton of role players keeping them mediocre. Unfortunately, being mediocre in the Eastern Conference can still get you a 6th-8th seed.

I am okay with them making the play-offs - takes away the chance at the ping pong balls ending up going there way

take the pick

[Qwigglez]

I'm curious what Len will end up getting. I would consider Olynyk a bit more valuable than him, and he only got $12.5 million per year, so I can't imagine Len getting any more than that? Going to be interesting to see how the Chandler, Len, and Williams situation plays out for us.

Yes it's a good leveraging point for our front office to make. If we compared everything to last year's contracts he would be getting upwards of 15mil a season. Now, this summer the market dictates we can get Len for a decent amount. I'd be more than happy to give Len what Olynyk got. I prefer we keep Williams too and possibly trade Chandler. Let the young guys play!

[Villalobos]

Len's gonna get a dirt cheap deal unless the Nets overpay him. Traditional centers have never been less valuable and he hasn't shown that much improvement.

Dedmon is a much better player right now, who plays within himself on offense, and who isn't an RFA (so your capspace won't be tied up waiting for a match), and AFAIK no one is showing him much interest. So yeah, the market for Len must be close to nothing.

[King_Supreme]

I'm pretty happy with the moves the Heat made. Signed a ton of role players keeping them mediocre. Unfortunately, being mediocre in the Eastern Conference can still get you a 6th-8th seed.

I think we gift you guys a lotto pick in '21, just don't trade it like y'all did with the Lakers pick.