2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

[jredsaz]

Man. Windhorst confirmed my suspicions that Sarver is rumored to be cutting spending for the upcoming season. Wants to slash salary... The interview was on Bickley & Marotta on 98.7 today.

I mean this seemed pretty obvious. I imagine we work at right around the cap. I wouldn't have been surprised if he stays under it, but that extra money usually goes to players pro rata anyway.

I just hope he doesn't sell our pick. Since you can only sell picks for like $3 million, I don't think he would sell #10, but can see us trading it to save money on the season. However a rookie contract for cost control purposes would be good long term thinking.

I heard part of the Windhorst interview. His comments about Vlade and the Kings and the Suns (with Igor K) passing on the Suns was his main point.

As for revenue - I think many teams are going to have cash problems. Now some teams are up against the cap and can't spend it. I am okay if Sarver stays below the cap. I agree - just don't sell that pick. If you don't want to bring back Baynes and instead sign two guys for the vet minimum - fine.

After the City of Phoenix, in which I am a taxpayer, just dolled out $150 million in public funds to help remodel the arena AND build a new practice facility; after the team has finally shown real competitiveness, I am not at all okay with the Suns spending under the cap.

[jredsaz]

It's not an overall upgrade though. It helps one position and guts our wings. What happens when Simmons is injured? We play Payne or Carter 30 minutes a night? What happens if Mikal is injured? Who plays the 3? Ty Jerome?

I think it is easier to find role playing wings that all-nba caliber players, which I think Simmons is close to becoming. You fill those empty spots with the MLE, BAE, and draft pick. Also, defensively Simmons guards 1-4 so guys like Carter, Jerome and Payne can be more effective playing off ball on offense and guarding smaller players on the defensive end.

MLE and BAE. We don't have a draft pick. We'll have traded it in the deal for Simmons as this is constructed. So 11 million total to fill the three rotation spots we're subtracting. And that's if we keep Saric and Baynes.

Aside from just roster construction, do you not see what this would do to our shooting? We are sending away 3 players who are plus shooters from 3 for a guy who is a terrible shooter. Our floor spacing would be non-existent. This deal makes NO sense.

Youre right, that pick is included. But literally everyone else aside from Ayton can shoot the three at a pretty high level. Payne/Booker/Carter/Bridges/Saric/Baynes are all shooters. Use the MLE and BAE on some combination of guys like Burks, Holiday, Augustine, Forbes, Crowder, Clarkson, Meyers Leonard, Galloway, ETwan Moore, Vonleh, McRae and the roster will function very well.

*Edit: Ayton is currently developing his range as well.

The problem, again, is the owner and his relationship with Klutch sports.

[BobbieL]

I mean this seemed pretty obvious. I imagine we work at right around the cap. I wouldn't have been surprised if he stays under it, but that extra money usually goes to players pro rata anyway.

I just hope he doesn't sell our pick. Since you can only sell picks for like $3 million, I don't think he would sell #10, but can see us trading it to save money on the season. However a rookie contract for cost control purposes would be good long term thinking.

I heard part of the Windhorst interview. His comments about Vlade and the Kings and the Suns (with Igor K) passing on the Suns was his main point.

As for revenue - I think many teams are going to have cash problems. Now some teams are up against the cap and can't spend it. I am okay if Sarver stays below the cap. I agree - just don't sell that pick. If you don't want to bring back Baynes and instead sign two guys for the vet minimum - fine.

After the City of Phoenix, in which I am a taxpayer, just dolled out $150 million in public funds to help remodel the arena AND build a new practice facility; after the team has finally shown real competitiveness, I am not at all okay with the Suns spending under the cap.

I will have to see what the make-up of the team is and if he sells the pick.

[bwgood77]

Detroit doesn't make sense

I meant to say Cleveland doesn't make sense. Detroit does make sense so I can't remember his reasoning there.

[SideSwipe]

I'm legit curious of the suns and Klutch current relationship. On one hand you have the spat with Sarver but on the other hand James Jones and LeBron are friends. I'd hope they have things smoothed out because it's not healthy to have an agency you can't work with.

Another wrickle is Booker is a CCA guy and there was absolutely some bad blood between CCA and Rich Paul when he left and started his own agency.

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Another wrinkle is Ben Simmons dated Kendall Jenner already. Yep the same one that Booker is dating now. Not sure of the impact, but it might make things awkward between them.

[bwgood77]

Man combining Bickley and Windhorst creates a super power of bad media takes, yikes.

Sarver sold the gleague team so yeah he's cutting some costs. Here's the thing with actual player payroll, there's really not that big of a range this upcoming payroll could fall within. The NBA has a salary floor of 90% of the cap so using the $110m cap projection that's $99m if the suns are right around that number they deserve critsizm. Now the highest they actually actually be this year would be by bringing back all of Baynes, Saric, and Carter then signing a MLE. Given where market rates for those three fall the suns probably would max out at around $120ish in that scenario. So you see it's only around $20 mil of a range. Now the most likely scenario is one of Saric or Baynes leaves and the suns then spend to the cap then could add another $5 mil room exception.

If they cheap out they deserve scorn but I'm just trying to illustrate this isn't like the MLB where owners can drastically slash payroll.

What we really need to have happen is for sarver to sell in the next couple years because that's when payroll could actually get big with bird right extensions for Ayton, Bridges and a year later maybe Cam.

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Does he get to pocket that monty between the salary floor and the cap, or does that get pro rata distributed to players? Or does that only happen if they are under the floor to get up to the floor?

Any money not spent to the salary floor is distributed to the players on the roster.

I knew that much, but originally was thinking it was anything under the cap......that's why I asked about the money between the salary floor and cap. But it makes sense it's just money below the floor.....probably only reason floor is there.

[bwgood77]

What do you think is the ranking of priority of teams targeting these bigs with their MLE?

Baynes
Marc Gasol
Serge Ibaka
Derrick Favors

[BobbieL]

What do you think is the ranking of priority of teams targeting these bigs with their MLE?

Baynes
Marc Gasol
Serge Ibaka
Derrick Favors

I think Favors is 4th on the list
would he make sense with Ayton as a back up Center

There are going to be deals this offseason. Maybe Windhorst is right that Sarver is going to strip it down or maybe they just spend a bit mroe cautiously.

[jredsaz]

What do you think is the ranking of priority of teams targeting these bigs with their MLE?

Baynes
Marc Gasol
Serge Ibaka
Derrick Favors

Thats tough. I think Ibaka is the clear #1. After that it is a crap shoot IMO.

[bwgood77]

What do you think is the ranking of priority of teams targeting these bigs with their MLE?

Baynes
Marc Gasol
Serge Ibaka
Derrick Favors

I think Favors is 4th on the list
would he make sense with Ayton as a back up Center

There are going to be deals this offseason. Maybe Windhorst is right that Sarver is going to strip it down or maybe they just spend a bit more cautiously.

I don't mean just for us, but for all teams?

[jredsaz]

Does he get to pocket that monty between the salary floor and the cap, or does that get pro rata distributed to players? Or does that only happen if they are under the floor to get up to the floor?

Any money not spent to the salary floor is distributed to the players on the roster.

I knew that much, but originally was thinking it was anything under the cap......that's why I asked about the money between the salary floor and cap. But it makes sense it's just money below the floor.....probably only reason floor is there.

Yeah. It is there to make sure the BRI is split correctly.

[jredsaz]

I heard part of the Windhorst interview. His comments about Vlade and the Kings and the Suns (with Igor K) passing on the Suns was his main point.

As for revenue - I think many teams are going to have cash problems. Now some teams are up against the cap and can't spend it. I am okay if Sarver stays below the cap. I agree - just don't sell that pick. If you don't want to bring back Baynes and instead sign two guys for the vet minimum - fine.

After the City of Phoenix, in which I am a taxpayer, just dolled out $150 million in public funds to help remodel the arena AND build a new practice facility; after the team has finally shown real competitiveness, I am not at all okay with the Suns spending under the cap.

I will have to see what the make-up of the team is and if he sells the pick.

You clearly have more patience with Sarver than I do.

[BobbieL]

What do you think is the ranking of priority of teams targeting these bigs with their MLE?

Baynes
Marc Gasol
Serge Ibaka
Derrick Favors

I think Favors is 4th on the list
would he make sense with Ayton as a back up Center

There are going to be deals this offseason. Maybe Windhorst is right that Sarver is going to strip it down or maybe they just spend a bit more cautiously.

I don't mean just for us, but for all teams?

No, I knew what you meant.

I was just adding from a Suns perspective

I think Ibaka is one
Baynes probably over Gasol for two because he probably fits the backup role well

[jredsaz]

I'm legit curious of the suns and Klutch current relationship. On one hand you have the spat with Sarver but on the other hand James Jones and LeBron are friends. I'd hope they have things smoothed out because it's not healthy to have an agency you can't work with.

Another wrickle is Booker is a CCA guy and there was absolutely some bad blood between CCA and Rich Paul when he left and started his own agency.

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Another wrinkle is Ben Simmons dated Kendall Jenner already. Yep the same one that Booker is dating now. Not sure of the impact, but it might make things awkward between them.

I don't know about that. Simmons is probably doing just fine in that department and judging by Kendall's history, Devin will be in Ben's position sooner rather than later

[WeekapaugGroove]

What do you think is the ranking of priority of teams targeting these bigs with their MLE?

Baynes
Marc Gasol
Serge Ibaka
Derrick Favors

Actually a tough ranking. In a hypothetical world where they were all open to taking a 1 year MLE I'd go:

Gasol
Serge
Baynes
Favors

If it was a 4 year MLE I'd have to say
Serge
Favors
Baynes
Gasol

Baynes and Gasol would basically be dead money by the ends of those deals.

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[JDJ26]

Man. Windhorst confirmed my suspicions that Sarver is rumored to be cutting spending for the upcoming season. Wants to slash salary... The interview was on Bickley & Marotta on 98.7 today.

I mean this seemed pretty obvious. I imagine we work at right around the cap. I wouldn't have been surprised if he stays under it, but that extra money usually goes to players pro rata anyway.

I just hope he doesn't sell our pick. Since you can only sell picks for like $3 million, I don't think he would sell #10, but can see us trading it to save money on the season. However a rookie contract for cost control purposes would be good long term thinking.

If Sarver starts this crap again then I will be done with this team. I understand why he may sell the pick but its short-sighted moves that usually lead to bad decisions later on. Which will eventually lead to Monty and James Jones being hampered and eventually fired.

[jredsaz]

I think Favors is 4th on the list
would he make sense with Ayton as a back up Center

There are going to be deals this offseason. Maybe Windhorst is right that Sarver is going to strip it down or maybe they just spend a bit more cautiously.

I don't mean just for us, but for all teams?

No, I knew what you meant.

I was just adding from a Suns perspective

I think Ibaka is one
Baynes probably over Gasol for two because he probably fits the backup role well

If Gasol is demanding a starting spot then I agree Baynes is the better fit. But otherwise Gasol is a better version of Baynes. Think he goes first.

[nevetsov]

Does he get to pocket that monty between the salary floor and the cap, or does that get pro rata distributed to players? Or does that only happen if they are under the floor to get up to the floor?

Any money not spent to the salary floor is distributed to the players on the roster.

Watch Sarver sign himself to a roster spot just so he can have some money distributed back to himself

[BobbieL]

Man. Windhorst confirmed my suspicions that Sarver is rumored to be cutting spending for the upcoming season. Wants to slash salary... The interview was on Bickley & Marotta on 98.7 today.

I mean this seemed pretty obvious. I imagine we work at right around the cap. I wouldn't have been surprised if he stays under it, but that extra money usually goes to players pro rata anyway.

I just hope he doesn't sell our pick. Since you can only sell picks for like $3 million, I don't think he would sell #10, but can see us trading it to save money on the season. However a rookie contract for cost control purposes would be good long term thinking.

If Sarver starts this crap again then I will be done with this team. I understand why he may sell the pick but its short-sighted moves that usually lead to bad decisions later on. Which will eventually lead to Monty and James Jones being hampered and eventually fired.

My guess - if Windhorst is right - I can see the Suns being around 108 if the cap is 118 - thats $10m

They are at 93 now
10th pick is worth 4m
Carter is worth 2m
If you cna get Saric at say 8m
can get a Center for 2m right at that 110 mark

Now if Saric gets a better offer - probably would keep Frank for or another PF type.

I hope this is what Windhorst meant by limiting salary.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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