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The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

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Which free agent(s) would you most like to go for? One or top two choices

Barnes at max
0
No votes
Bazemore $20 per for 4, maybe S&T Knight for
3
8%
Dudley at $13 per for 3
3
8%
Marvin Williams at $16 per for 3
2
5%
West $10 per for 2 (likely with player option on 2nd)
6
16%
Leuer $8 per for 2
10
27%
Wait out a few days and monitor who is left
8
22%
Don't go after anyone
5
14%
 
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1241 » by OGBAH » Fri Jul 1, 2016 2:51 am

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OGBAH wrote:What's really pi$$in me off is these reports that the Dubs what every free agent out there and they can get them NP


I heard that if Philly signs Barnes to a max deal, to not be surprised if it's a sign and trade that sends one of Okafor or Noel back to the W's.

Why would ANY team try to help out the Warriors right now? They should be blackballed until they come back down to earth a bit. That team has the ability to win big for the next 5+ years.

Wtf Noel with warriors FML
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1242 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jul 1, 2016 2:53 am

bwgood77 wrote:I really wish in about an hour my phone would start ringing, people at my door with pitches of why I should come work for them. I mean I wouldn't even necessarily need an 8 figure contract...heck, I could probably do without 7 figures. I mean I'm not gonna be greedy. If the situation was right, I could probably go for like $800K over 3 or something.

And to think, in the NBA that's a bad deal :noway:

I'd kill for $800k. No seriously, do you need someone taken care of?
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1243 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jul 1, 2016 2:55 am

DarkHawk wrote:
OGBAH wrote:What's really pi$$in me off is these reports that the Dubs what every free agent out there and they can get them NP


I heard that if Philly signs Barnes to a max deal, to not be surprised if it's a sign and trade that sends one of Okafor or Noel back to the W's.

Why would ANY team try to help out the Warriors right now? They should be blackballed until they come back down to earth a bit. That team has the ability to win big for the next 5+ years.

WTF? Why on earth would Philly gift the Warriors a legit young talent for a guy they have little to no intention of retaining? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

Makes zero F sense
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1244 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jul 1, 2016 2:57 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I really wish in about an hour my phone would start ringing, people at my door with pitches of why I should come work for them. I mean I wouldn't even necessarily need an 8 figure contract...heck, I could probably do without 7 figures. I mean I'm not gonna be greedy. If the situation was right, I could probably go for like $800K over 3 or something.

And to think, in the NBA that's a bad deal :noway:

I'd kill for $800k. No seriously, do you need someone taken care of?


No, thankfully the Morris brothers are gone, but thanks for the offer.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1245 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jul 1, 2016 3:02 am

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DarkHawk wrote:
OGBAH wrote:What's really pi$$in me off is these reports that the Dubs what every free agent out there and they can get them NP


I heard that if Philly signs Barnes to a max deal, to not be surprised if it's a sign and trade that sends one of Okafor or Noel back to the W's.

Why would ANY team try to help out the Warriors right now? They should be blackballed until they come back down to earth a bit. That team has the ability to win big for the next 5+ years.

WTF? Why on earth would Philly gift the Warriors a legit young talent for a guy they have little to no intention of retaining? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

Makes zero F sense


That doesn't seem right. Not just because of what you say, but that would have to be the only team that offered him the max. I figured more than one would, and Barnes would probably rather go elsewhere...ultimately it's up to him, not GS.

If I was Philly, and this request happened from GS, I would call their bluff and make them match and send them nothing, because I don't think GS wants to match a max for him.

Though, on second thought, I guess Barnes gets even more in a 5 year S&T so Philly would have to call that to trump a 4 year max from another team, but still, for Barnes it would strictly have to be about the money if no one else had an offer for him.

I'm sure they want Noel. If he stayed healthy, he would make their team unstoppable. I don't think Okafor particularly is a great fit for their team.
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Post#1246 » by SideSwipe » Fri Jul 1, 2016 3:04 am

Anyone wonder if the D. Williams rumors might involve S&T of Chandler? It gives the Suns an opportunity to get younger and take on a shorter, less costly contract. Maybe 2/$20 Knicks have a big hole at center now and Chandler has history there with Melo.

Rose/Afflalo/Melo/Porzingis/Chandler. That team is fairly balanced. Needs depth to be sure, but if NY strikes out on big name FA's (Whiteside, Horford, Biyombo, Bogut trade) this deal will look very good for them. Only works for us if the D. Williams numbers come in low, though.
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Post#1247 » by Safety Pickle » Fri Jul 1, 2016 3:06 am

DarkHawk wrote:
OGBAH wrote:What's really pi$$in me off is these reports that the Dubs what every free agent out there and they can get them NP


I heard that if Philly signs Barnes to a max deal, to not be surprised if it's a sign and trade that sends one of Okafor or Noel back to the W's.

Why would ANY team try to help out the Warriors right now? They should be blackballed until they come back down to earth a bit. That team has the ability to win big for the next 5+ years.


If GSW somehow turns Barnes into Okafor or Noel I'll rip my dick off and glue it to my chin. He has nowhere near that value, especially after the playoffs
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1248 » by carey » Fri Jul 1, 2016 3:07 am

SideSwipe wrote:Anyone wonder if the D. Williams rumors might involve S&T of Chandler? It gives the Suns an opportunity to get younger and take on a shorter, less costly contract. Maybe 2/$20 Knicks have a big hole at center now and Chandler has history there with Melo.

Rose/Afflalo/Melo/Porzingis/Chandler. That team is fairly balanced. Needs depth to be sure, but if NY strikes out on big name FA's (Whiteside, Horford, Biyombo, Bogut trade) this deal will look very good for them. Only works for us if the D. Williams numbers come in low, though.


It's been reported that Noah is signing there.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1249 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jul 1, 2016 3:07 am

Chandler should be an attractive trade asset with the contracts that will be rolled out to marginal players this offseason. In the right system, a motivated Chandler should still be able to ball on most teams. $13m flat for another 3 seasons should get us something decent in return, I'd like to think.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1250 » by JMac1 » Fri Jul 1, 2016 3:09 am

dantley4prez wrote:And I'm going to say this because it's my role: knight is currently better than Booker.

When Booker began to start he shot.....32.8% from 3? That's bad, and not in a Shaft/Miles Davis kind of way. Low quality.

I'm pretty sure Knight shot better from 3, although I'm on my phone now. He's a better passer, more athletic, and I've seen good defensive moments from him.

Knight should start, whether you want to hear it or not. So should Tyson, and we shouldn't blow anything up. I say it again: we weren't healthy. That's it.



Newsflash...Booker was the only one on the court who could play at the time. See what KD did his first year shooting with little to zero talent.

Booker was a rookie having to adjust to different looks frequently. The last thing I am worried about is Booker's shooting. So you rather start a PG guard over a SG that is better and younger and being portrayed as the future of the Suns.

And just because you are saying something doesn't make it so...."Knight should start whether you want to hear it or not." :lol: Too much.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1251 » by saintEscaton » Fri Jul 1, 2016 3:11 am

carey wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:Anyone wonder if the D. Williams rumors might involve S&T of Chandler? It gives the Suns an opportunity to get younger and take on a shorter, less costly contract. Maybe 2/$20 Knicks have a big hole at center now and Chandler has history there with Melo.

Rose/Afflalo/Melo/Porzingis/Chandler. That team is fairly balanced. Needs depth to be sure, but if NY strikes out on big name FA's (Whiteside, Horford, Biyombo, Bogut trade) this deal will look very good for them. Only works for us if the D. Williams numbers come in low, though.


It's been reported that Noah is signing there.


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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1252 » by Safety Pickle » Fri Jul 1, 2016 3:13 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Chandler should be an attractive trade asset with the contracts that will be rolled out to marginal players this offseason. In the right system, a motivated Chandler should still be able to ball on most teams. $13m flat for another 3 seasons should get us something decent in return, I'd like to think.


His trade value will definitely go up once Whiteside/Howard sign and teams are looking for big man depth
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1253 » by JMac1 » Fri Jul 1, 2016 3:14 am

dantley4prez wrote:It seems like the Thunder might make Enes Kanter available in order to make cap room for Al Horford.
I would be down to give up an asset or two to get him.
More guys better than Len: Amir Johnson, Kosta, Jordan Hill, Greg Monroe (who we might be able to steal), Aron Baynes, Leuer, Asik, Bogut, Cole.....and Tyson.


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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1254 » by SideSwipe » Fri Jul 1, 2016 3:14 am

carey wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:Anyone wonder if the D. Williams rumors might involve S&T of Chandler? It gives the Suns an opportunity to get younger and take on a shorter, less costly contract. Maybe 2/$20 Knicks have a big hole at center now and Chandler has history there with Melo.

Rose/Afflalo/Melo/Porzingis/Chandler. That team is fairly balanced. Needs depth to be sure, but if NY strikes out on big name FA's (Whiteside, Horford, Biyombo, Bogut trade) this deal will look very good for them. Only works for us if the D. Williams numbers come in low, though.


It's been reported that Noah is signing there.


:oops: and I even knew that. Long day...
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1255 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri Jul 1, 2016 3:16 am

So 2 hours away from FA, this is how it looks like we're positioned:

11 players: $60m.

Bledsoe 14
Knight 13
Chandler 12
Tucker 5
Len 5
Bender 3
Booker 2
Warren 2
Chriss 2
Goodwin 2
Ulis 1

Salary Cap: Max @ $93, Min @$83.

4 Positions To Fill: PF - Starter, PG - Backup, C/PF - Squad, SF - Squad.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1256 » by 8on » Fri Jul 1, 2016 3:16 am

JMac1 wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:And I'm going to say this because it's my role: knight is currently better than Booker.

When Booker began to start he shot.....32.8% from 3? That's bad, and not in a Shaft/Miles Davis kind of way. Low quality.

I'm pretty sure Knight shot better from 3, although I'm on my phone now. He's a better passer, more athletic, and I've seen good defensive moments from him.

Knight should start, whether you want to hear it or not. So should Tyson, and we shouldn't blow anything up. I say it again: we weren't healthy. That's it.



Newsflash...Booker was the only one on the court who could play at the time. See what KD did his first year shooting with little to zero talent.

Booker was a rookie having to adjust to different looks frequently. The last thing I am worried about is Booker's shooting. So you rather start a PG guard over a SG that is better and younger and being portrayed as the future of the Suns.

And just because you are saying something doesn't make it so...."Knight should start whether you want to hear it or not." :lol: Too much.


You guys pencil in his greatness because "he was a first option rookie." So?

Now you're comparing him to Kevin Durant? You don't think that's a little much?

O.J. Mayo had a pretty good rookie year, too. Perspective.

Knight is currently better than Booker. All I have to do is cite numbers in order to prove it.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1257 » by carey » Fri Jul 1, 2016 3:16 am

dantley4prez wrote:I'm pretty sure Knight shot better from 3, although I'm on my phone now. He's a better passer, more athletic, and I've seen good defensive moments from him.


You and I see entirely different things. I think Booker is the better passer and I think he's more athletic than Knight. Booker literally was the offense for the last 2 months of the season, with a little help from Tele when he got hot.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1258 » by JMac1 » Fri Jul 1, 2016 3:16 am

dantley4prez wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:And I'm going to say this because it's my role: knight is currently better than Booker.

When Booker began to start he shot.....32.8% from 3? That's bad, and not in a Shaft/Miles Davis kind of way. Low quality.

I'm pretty sure Knight shot better from 3, although I'm on my phone now. He's a better passer, more athletic, and I've seen good defensive moments from him.

Knight should start, whether you want to hear it or not. So should Tyson, and we shouldn't blow anything up. I say it again: we weren't healthy. That's it.



Newsflash...Booker was the only one on the court who could play at the time. See what KD did his first year shooting with little to zero talent.

Booker was a rookie having to adjust to different looks frequently. The last thing I am worried about is Booker's shooting. So you rather start a PG guard over a SG that is better and younger and being portrayed as the future of the Suns.

And just because you are saying something doesn't make it so...."Knight should start whether you want to hear it or not." :lol: Too much.


You guys pencil in his greatness because "he was a first option rookie." So?

Now you're comparing him to Kevin Durant? You don't think that's a little much?

O.J. Mayo had a pretty good rookie year, too. Perspective.

Knight is currently better than Booker. All I have to do is cite numbers in order to prove it.


OK. Discussion over.
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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1259 » by 8on » Fri Jul 1, 2016 3:17 am

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Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft) 

Post#1260 » by JMac1 » Fri Jul 1, 2016 3:18 am

sunsbum wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:And I'm going to say this because it's my role: knight is currently better than Booker.

When Booker began to start he shot.....32.8% from 3? That's bad, and not in a Shaft/Miles Davis kind of way. Low quality.

I'm pretty sure Knight shot better from 3, although I'm on my phone now. He's a better passer, more athletic, and I've seen good defensive moments from him.


Knight should start, whether you want to hear it or not. So should Tyson, and we shouldn't blow anything up. I say it again: we weren't healthy. That's it.


Im on my phone as well but i couldnt disagree with you more. Youre comparing knight with a full squad around him to booker who had literally no offensive options to take pressure off him, which is why his shooting % suffered.

Year two devin booker will be better than knight.


I would not have responded to Prez if i had seen this post Bum, but anyways I can see you understand the totality of performances between Booker and Knight.

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