Almost off-season discussion! Trades/Free Agency Ep. 9

[TOO]

So i finally figured out what the deal is with WCS. Seems like a great player but noticed Kings fans always throwing him in trades. Guy from Sactown Royalty just said that his defense has been no where near as advertised coming out of Kentucky. He was asked straight up why he doesnt block more shots, and he said, "Ive broken and jammed so many fingers hitting the rim and from blocking shots that im skiddish to keep doing it". Totally not what you want your supposed defensive anchor at C to be saying, specially out in the open. Thats crazy!

He's super lazy defensively, I watch a ton of Kings games and he is Harden level lazy on D.

[asudevil]

Grizz- love
Suns-parsons, 4th pick
Cavs- warren,bender,16th pick

Love with gasol and Connolly is a solid core all complement well

Suns get another young buck then in the next 2yeArs have 50 mill coming off books

Cavs- 2 young guys and a pick To start life’s after bron

My idea was:

Suns trade: Warren/Chandler/#16/#31/Additional Pick
Suns get: Parsons/#4

Grizz trade: Parsons/Green/#4
Grizz get: Love/Warren

Cavs trade: Love
Cavs get: Chandler/Green/#16/#31/Additional Pick

[bwgood77]

So i finally figured out what the deal is with WCS. Seems like a great player but noticed Kings fans always throwing him in trades. Guy from Sactown Royalty just said that his defense has been no where near as advertised coming out of Kentucky. He was asked straight up why he doesnt block more shots, and he said, "Ive broken and jammed so many fingers hitting the rim and from blocking shots that im skiddish to keep doing it". Totally not what you want your supposed defensive anchor at C to be saying, specially out in the open. Thats crazy!

He's super lazy defensively, I watch a ton of Kings games and he is Harden level lazy on D.

WCS sucks. They haven't seemed to be real high on him from what I've heard. He might be a decent 3rd big but he can't shoot and isn't that great defensively.

I think they are really hoping Giles pans out as one of their bigs. They could really use JJJr or if they believe Bagley can end up shooting, him. Porter maybe too but they need some rebounding too. Luckily they have lots of shooting on the wing, but they ended up having to play Zach Randolph a bunch because Skal has also been disappointing.

If they go really small, Doncic could make sense since he can rebound too. Tough choice for them.

[AtheJ415]

Interesting that Aldridge mentions PG-13 -- first option and than Smart to the Suns

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/06/11/morning-tip-mailbag-june-11-2018?collection=news

Aldridge is not like Woj or Charnia breaking news but he seems more credible than Kyler, Schultz, Amico, Amick, Broussard

If Lebron doesn't go to the Lakers -- George would be excellent next to Ayton and Booker that's for sure

Smart does make a lot of sense but going to need some shooters with him.

Smart would be a disaster of epic proportions. Would tie up 8 figures of cap space for a guy you can just ignore on offense to double whoever you want. Unless we are signing Brad Stevens along with him it is awful. Role players have not left the Celtics and done well. Hell, even all NBA IT left them and sucked. Why are we longing for random Celtic role players when so many have bombed and this particular one is not a good fit because our team's shooting is as big of a problem as the defense?

[AtheJ415]

nvm

[AtheJ415]

So i finally figured out what the deal is with WCS. Seems like a great player but noticed Kings fans always throwing him in trades. Guy from Sactown Royalty just said that his defense has been no where near as advertised coming out of Kentucky. He was asked straight up why he doesnt block more shots, and he said, "Ive broken and jammed so many fingers hitting the rim and from blocking shots that im skiddish to keep doing it". Totally not what you want your supposed defensive anchor at C to be saying, specially out in the open. Thats crazy!

He's super lazy defensively, I watch a ton of Kings games and he is Harden level lazy on D.

WCS sucks. They haven't seemed to be real high on him from what I've heard. He might be a decent 3rd big but he can't shoot and isn't that great defensively.

I think they are really hoping Giles pans out as one of their bigs. They could really use JJJr or if they believe Bagley can end up shooting, him. Porter maybe too but they need some rebounding too. Luckily they have lots of shooting on the wing, but they ended up having to play Zach Randolph a bunch because Skal has also been disappointing.

If they go really small, Doncic could make sense since he can rebound too. Tough choice for them.

Looking at their roster the only guys I'd consider adding for their salaries are Fox, Hield, Skal, Justin Jackson, MAYBE Harry Giles if his medicals aren't a disaster. Just a lot of unknowns and Hield and Fox are the only ones who have produced. Hield should play more given his shooting splits.

[Fo-Real]

um.....WTF is this bull????

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Not a snowballs chance in hot ass hell!!

[bwgood77]

He's super lazy defensively, I watch a ton of Kings games and he is Harden level lazy on D.

WCS sucks. They haven't seemed to be real high on him from what I've heard. He might be a decent 3rd big but he can't shoot and isn't that great defensively.

I think they are really hoping Giles pans out as one of their bigs. They could really use JJJr or if they believe Bagley can end up shooting, him. Porter maybe too but they need some rebounding too. Luckily they have lots of shooting on the wing, but they ended up having to play Zach Randolph a bunch because Skal has also been disappointing.

If they go really small, Doncic could make sense since he can rebound too. Tough choice for them.

Looking at their roster the only guys I'd consider adding for their salaries are Fox, Hield, Skal, Justin Jackson, MAYBE Harry Giles if his medicals aren't a disaster. Just a lot of unknowns and Hield and Fox are the only ones who have produced. Hield should play more given his shooting splits.

I wasn't suggesting trading for any of those guys. I'm never been a Fox fan...used to like Skal ok but watched him closely because I had him in fantasy and he was fairly disappointing, but he's still young so too early to write off. Fox is kind of the face of their franchise though at this point.

[SlovenianDragon]

I cant believe anyone would want to trade TJ warren....

The dude is an absolute monster offensively.

If we start Josh Jackson this year TJ warren is without a doubt the 6th man of the year.

You don't trade a super efficient 20 ppg scorer and potential 6th man of the year....

Please.

Same thing happened last year....people always including tj warren in trades...

Why does he get slept on so much?

Theres no way whoever we trade tj warren for will replace his 20 ppg


Not only that but we are including multiple picks and bender/chriss?

Are we just trying to get worse with these trades?

[SlovenianDragon]

If we do trade into the top 4 we should try to get this guy:

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Sources tell me he can score 20 ppg in the NBA...I think thats really good for the #4 pick.

[Jwetz83]

I cant believe anyone would want to trade TJ warren....

The dude is an absolute monster offensively.

If we start Josh Jackson this year TJ warren is without a doubt the 6th man of the year.

You don't trade a super efficient 20 ppg scorer and potential 6th man of the year....

Please.

Same thing happened last year....people always including tj warren in trades...

Why does he get slept on so much?


I think my desire to trade Warren comes from a couple things.

1. He still has value on the trade market. I think he is a solid player but not a player that will make a difference in the suns getting over the top.

2. He can’t spread the floor. Figuring that Ayton is the pick, the suns need shooters around him.

So to me it’s all about the value he brings to team. In a perfect 6th man off the bench, I would rather have a lock down perimeter defender or a shooter that can get hot and hit 3-4 threes quickly.

Do I give him away fit nothing ??? Of course not , but I think he is an asset that if teams want , then the suns should look to move him.

Theres no way whoever we trade tj warren for will replace his 20 ppg


Not only that but we are including multiple picks and bender/chriss?

Are we just trying to get worse with these trades?

[SlovenianDragon]

2. He can’t spread the floor. Figuring that Ayton is the pick, the suns need shooters around him.

Yeah I guess you are right Josh Jackson cant spread the floor either....

We should blow it up and trade Josh Jackson and Tj warren to the kings for the number two pick and take Doncic

[Waylay13]

If we do trade into the top 4 we should try to get this guy:

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Sources tell me he can score 20 ppg in the NBA...I think thats really good for the #4 pick.

but he doesnt play defense or pass the ball. I think the best that can be said for him is that he would be a good sixth man.

[SlovenianDragon]

If we do trade into the top 4 we should try to get this guy:

Watch on YouTube

Sources tell me he can score 20 ppg in the NBA...I think thats really good for the #4 pick.

but he doesnt play defense or pass the ball. I think the best that can be said for him is that he would be a good sixth man.

OKAY so at this point I feel like so many people think EVERY PLAYER NEEDS TO DO EVERYTHING PERFECTLY....

THIS IS GETTING DISGUSTING. they need a 3pt they need to block every shot steal every pass they need to make every dunk and jump shot they need to be able to fly they have to be able to teleport......no commas.....sick of this ****.

[SlovenianDragon]

We are nitpicking the 2nd best player on our team and trying to trade him.....UGHHHHH

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

We are nitpicking the 2nd best player on our team and trying to trade him.....UGHHHHH

Overlooked fact: TJ was the best defender in our starting lineup for most of last season.

Good hands defensively, and much improved as a defender overall.

Plenty of players learn to shoot the long ball in their late-20s (Tucker, Ingles to name a few). Wouldn't be shocked at all to see TJ add that to his repertoire. He does that, and we deal him just to move up a few spots in the draft (the way the numskulls on Empire of the Suns speculate) and we're true idiots.

Absolutely no reason to trade TJ. If we want to compete next year, he needs to stay, whether he starts or comes off the bench.

[Saberestar]

There are only four players that are considered the core of our team and they are Booker, Warren, Jackson and #1 (Ayton).

McDonough has said that numerous times during the offseason.

So I fully expect all of them to be on our roster at the start of the new season.

We have a lof of assests to trade.

We have picks, vets, youngsters, expirings, future picks...so there is no need to trade one of our few verified good players.

Warren is not done improving.
He is a gamer and he is gonna keep getting better.

[SlovenianDragon]

There are only four players that are considered the core of our team and they are Booker, Warren, Jackson and #1 (Ayton).

McDonough has said that numerous times during the offseason.

So I fully expect all of them to be on our roster at the start of the new season.

We have a lof of assests to trade.

We have picks, vets, youngsters, expirings, future picks...so there is no need to trade one of our few verified good players.

Warren is not done improving.
He is a gamer and he is gonna keep getting better.

Warrens got better every season cant wait to see what he does next year

[jsierra1985]

If warren needs to be included to get into the top 6 in this years draft then pull the trigger. Reality is that the core should and will be book/Jackson/Ayton...EVERYONE else should not be safe....this team lacks some serious talent...I don't care what others say about bender/chriss...those two are maybe average at best....if they can pick up a young/JJJ/porter/doncic then absolutely get it done...no question

[DaleyBlind]

I cant believe anyone would want to trade TJ warren....

The dude is an absolute monster offensively.

If we start Josh Jackson this year TJ warren is without a doubt the 6th man of the year.

You don't trade a super efficient 20 ppg scorer and potential 6th man of the year....

Please.

Same thing happened last year....people always including tj warren in trades...

Why does he get slept on so much?

Theres no way whoever we trade tj warren for will replace his 20 ppg


Not only that but we are including multiple picks and bender/chriss?

Are we just trying to get worse with these trades?

Dude, Warren sucks ass.
All he does is score, he is a black hole offensively, dude is allergic to passing the ball. Don’t get me started on his 3pt shooting.