2019 free agency and trade ideas: part 2 Downloading

[Desertfox]

What about us picking up Brook Lopez? Blocks shots, shoots 3s, can he be had for the MLE?

[bwgood77]

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So basically Boston is going to have to do a little youth movement rebuild. Life comes at you fast.

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Pelicans could get good really quick if the get Horford.

Probably more likely he goes somewhere like Brooklyn (if he still wants to play with Kyrie..they have mentioned wanting a PG) or possibly the Clippers.

[lilfishi22]

Can someone explain to me what is wrong with TJ Warren?

Pros
-Quiet and humble guy
-Seems to be a good teamate
-Works HARD
-Dedicated
-Efficient scorer
-Great finisher
-Unstoppable in the paint
-Good defender
-Now has 3 point range
-Great contract

Cons
-When he plays the 4, he can get abused in the paint if the other 4 is a "traditional" (bigger) 4.
-Has had some trouble with injuries

At times, TJ has looked like a KD lite. Yes....I said it.

If we trade him, we better get back something really REALLY good.

I'd be so very happy if Oubre and TJ start at the 3/4 as long as we sign a halfway decent vet "traditional" (bigger) 4 to play against the bruisers like Randle, Milsap, etc.

He's not really a good defender. He's willing to give effort on that end but he's not measurably good. His injuries are also a legitimate concern since he's barely played over 60% of games in his career. I think at this point most of us can count on him missing about 30 games a year on average which is a pretty poor figure.

At least 3 of his seasons were blatant tanking seasons under McD though. I can almost guarantee half or more of the games he sat out for injury were moreso because of the tanking. He contributes to winning, which is a bad thing on a tanking team. I think a lot of his injury missed games are suspect. Sure he's gotten his fair share of injuries, but none of them scream out as something to be concerned about. They are either minor things or freak injuries (that are also minor, really).

Sorry but I don't buy that excuse. Fair enough if you want to attribute a number of games to tanking but he was also extremely injury prone. I'm sure I'm not counting every injury here and just off a quick search, he broke his thumb before his rookie season began which kept him out for the start of the season. Then he misses half of his sophomore season with a broken right foot. Then he misses around 13 games due to some mystery head injury in his 3rd season which also happened to be his healthiest season. His 4th season he goes out in mid-March due to a non-contact knee injury which ended up with him missing the rest of the season (2nd healthiest season). Then this past season he goes out with an ankle injury/bone bruise in January and ends up missing half the season despite being only a few 3pt makes from a cool quarter mil.

Injury or tanking or whatever you want to label it, he's only played about 60% of games throughout his career. That's unavailability however you want to call it

[lilfishi22]

Might get flamed for this and I know he's beloved on this board but if we wanna save money and gear up to make a run at Dlo then there's a great way to start. With Warren, Bridges, and even Jackson we have enough guys who can play the 3 and swiss-army knife it to provide different things at different times. We don't necessarily need to hand over 15 mill/yr to KO (or whatever it's gonna cost). We find a way to get rid of Johnson, decline a KO deal and with our expirings we should have enough to offer up a deal to Dlo. Then we can draft Clarke to fill in the PF spot who's hopefully as good as a lot of people seem to think he is.

My heart says Oubre and Brain says use that cap elsewhere.

I get that he does alot of good things. I get that but I think people think we HAVE to resign him because our win streak happened after him and Johnson joined the team. There were many reasons we won those games. He was apart of it but not the most important part. We can play some of our wings at PF but, I mean him or Warren can play PF but really should they? We can actually get someone who's been playing in the paint his whole life. Meanwhile instead of giving away valuable picks to get someone to take 1 of our early 20's SFs to gain more money to resign our mid 20's SF we can just not resign the older dude and go after the positions we're actually thin at-PG or PF.

I mean if it came down to it who would you rather have Oubre (at the additional cost of giving up picks + Warren/Jackson) or just grab Dlo straight up?

Count me in as someone who's not sold on keeping Oubre

[lilfishi22]

Is Paul's contract worse than Walls?

They are probably on par especially now with Wall's Achilles injury. But I like CP3 only slightly better because he can shoot the 3 and he makes his team better.

[Kerrsed]

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[lilfishi22]

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EXACTLY!

The guy went from being sure to now being shown his contradictory statements and trying to give himself space to be wrong

[alamin330]

My heart says Oubre and Brain says use that cap elsewhere.

I get that he does alot of good things. I get that but I think people think we HAVE to resign him because our win streak happened after him and Johnson joined the team. There were many reasons we won those games. He was apart of it but not the most important part. We can play some of our wings at PF but, I mean him or Warren can play PF but really should they? We can actually get someone who's been playing in the paint his whole life. Meanwhile instead of giving away valuable picks to get someone to take 1 of our early 20's SFs to gain more money to resign our mid 20's SF we can just not resign the older dude and go after the positions we're actually thin at-PG or PF.

I mean if it came down to it who would you rather have Oubre (at the additional cost of giving up picks + Warren/Jackson) or just grab Dlo straight up?

Count me in as someone who's not sold on keeping Oubre

Oubre makes the suns better. His being a RFA doesn’t really matter to the suns except for his cap hold. If we renounce him and get no free agents then it’s all for nothing. Leave oubre alone and resign him at the end of free agency. This team is set up for internal improvements. We’re all expecting some lord and savior free agent to come rescue our team but what if booker takes a Kobe-esque step next season and ayton a D ROB or Shaq step and oubre a pippen-esque step. Suns already have really good young pieces. The goal is to be competitive not sign stop gap free agents. I say resign oubre at all costs as we have his bird rights anyway so we can go over the cap for him. If Tyler Johnson doesn’t want to cooperate stretch him or trade him. But coming from the Heat org I believe Johnson is team oriented and understands we can’t get better unless he opts out.

[SuperSunsFan]

Don't you Sarver dare to even contemplate about getting Paul and his ridiculous contract, we are done being someone's retirement home

[lilfishi22]

What about us picking up Brook Lopez? Blocks shots, shoots 3s, can he be had for the MLE?

I feel like he's played himself out of the MLE price range. He's basically a premier stretch big right now because he can play solid D as well.

[bigfoot]

Rubio, Collison, Beverly, Joesph ... not a surprise ... one of these guys can be had with the MLE and split time with TJo. Better to have two veteran point guards in the event of an injury until Melton/Okobo develop.

https://arizonasports.com/story/1979817/suns-free-agent-pg-targets-include-beverley-collison-joseph-rubio/

[lilfishi22]

I get that he does alot of good things. I get that but I think people think we HAVE to resign him because our win streak happened after him and Johnson joined the team. There were many reasons we won those games. He was apart of it but not the most important part. We can play some of our wings at PF but, I mean him or Warren can play PF but really should they? We can actually get someone who's been playing in the paint his whole life. Meanwhile instead of giving away valuable picks to get someone to take 1 of our early 20's SFs to gain more money to resign our mid 20's SF we can just not resign the older dude and go after the positions we're actually thin at-PG or PF.

I mean if it came down to it who would you rather have Oubre (at the additional cost of giving up picks + Warren/Jackson) or just grab Dlo straight up?

Count me in as someone who's not sold on keeping Oubre

Oubre makes the suns better. His being a RFA doesn’t really matter to the suns except for his cap hold. If we renounce him and get no free agents then it’s all for nothing. Leave oubre alone and resign him at the end of free agency. This team is set up for internal improvements. We’re all expecting some lord and savior free agent to come rescue our team but what if booker takes a Kobe-esque step next season and ayton a D ROB or Shaq step and oubre a pippen-esque step. Suns already have really good young pieces. The goal is to be competitive not sign stop gap free agents. I say resign oubre at all costs as we have his bird rights anyway so we can go over the cap for him. If Tyler Johnson doesn’t want to cooperate stretch him or trade him. But coming from the Heat org I believe Johnson is team oriented and understands we can’t get better unless he opts out.

He's made us a bit better. Like I've said before the season ended, if Oubre wasn't on our team, I highly doubt we would look to throw $10-15m his way, especially when we have Bridges, TJ and (unfortunately) your boy JJ already on the roster. I'm all for not letting Oubre go for nothing but alone doesn't make me think he's particularly valuable. If someone comes and offers him like $15m+, I'd be inclined to wish him all the best in all his future endeavours

lol @ Johnson being a Heat guy meaning he's team oriented and would opt out based on that. If my company expects me to be team player and opt out of a million dollar payday because they can't get better otherwise, I'd say go F yourself I'm getting that money.

[enigmatics]

The funniest was how hard Gambo shot down the Kyler Murray to the Cardinals and Josh Rosen being traded. Why anyone pays attention to him is beyond me.

Probably because having sources with the Suns isn’t the same thing as having sources with the Cardinals, and he’s been breaking Suns news since Shams was in high school. It’s no worse than paying attention to random twitter accounts and people like Ashley Nevel.

Sources that have panned out what exactly? His sourcing and track record have been an embarrassment. He's basically the little b*tch boy the team trots out when they want to spread misinfo and a shill in every sense of the word.

[Kerrsed]

DLO isnt a choice.

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Because we are going after Oubre buddy WESTBROOK!

[Slim Charless]

I get that he does alot of good things. I get that but I think people think we HAVE to resign him because our win streak happened after him and Johnson joined the team. There were many reasons we won those games. He was apart of it but not the most important part. We can play some of our wings at PF but, I mean him or Warren can play PF but really should they? We can actually get someone who's been playing in the paint his whole life. Meanwhile instead of giving away valuable picks to get someone to take 1 of our early 20's SFs to gain more money to resign our mid 20's SF we can just not resign the older dude and go after the positions we're actually thin at-PG or PF.

I mean if it came down to it who would you rather have Oubre (at the additional cost of giving up picks + Warren/Jackson) or just grab Dlo straight up?

Count me in as someone who's not sold on keeping Oubre

Oubre makes the suns better. His being a RFA doesn’t really matter to the suns except for his cap hold. If we renounce him and get no free agents then it’s all for nothing. Leave oubre alone and resign him at the end of free agency. This team is set up for internal improvements. We’re all expecting some lord and savior free agent to come rescue our team but what if booker takes a Kobe-esque step next season and ayton a D ROB or Shaq step and oubre a pippen-esque step. Suns already have really good young pieces. The goal is to be competitive not sign stop gap free agents. I say resign oubre at all costs as we have his bird rights anyway so we can go over the cap for him. If Tyler Johnson doesn’t want to cooperate stretch him or trade him. But coming from the Heat org I believe Johnson is team oriented and understands we can’t get better unless he opts out.

Pippen?! Did you just compare KO to 1 of the NBAs greatest defensive players ever? He has talent but wow. I would argue he's not even the best on his own team. Bridges has way more potential and won't cost us 15/yr.

Also I would'nt call a Dlo signing stop gap. He's easily the best FA we can hope for while filling a huge need and being Bookers best friend.

[bwgood77]

What about us picking up Brook Lopez? Blocks shots, shoots 3s, can he be had for the MLE?

I feel like he's played himself out of the MLE price range. He's basically a premier stretch big right now because he can play solid D as well.

I'll be surprised if he makes more than the MLE, but regardless, he doesn't make sense for us to waste cap space to pay him to be our back up C. A contender will pay him anyway. He would also make sense in New Orleans with Zion. There was talk about the Lakers maybe instead of getting another max guy using that money on several players, like Beverley, Brook Lopez and there was another solid vet mentioned but can't remember who.

[enigmatics]

Rubio, Collison, Beverly, Joesph ... not a surprise ... one of these guys can be had with the MLE and split time with TJo. Better to have two veteran point guards in the event of an injury until Melton/Okobo develop.

https://arizonasports.com/story/1979817/suns-free-agent-pg-targets-include-beverley-collison-joseph-rubio/

Trash.

Either go big with Russell or draft a guy, but don't waste $ on that pathetic list.

[darealjuice]

The funniest was how hard Gambo shot down the Kyler Murray to the Cardinals and Josh Rosen being traded. Why anyone pays attention to him is beyond me.

Probably because having sources with the Suns isn’t the same thing as having sources with the Cardinals, and he’s been breaking Suns news since Shams was in high school. It’s no worse than paying attention to random twitter accounts and people like Ashley Nevel.

Sources that have panned out what exactly? His sourcing and track record have been an embarrassment. He's basically the little b*tch boy the team trots out when they want to spread misinfo and a shill in every sense of the word.

I mean I’m not going to waste my time searching through his prediction history but you’re kidding yourself if he hasn’t been right more way often than not with the Suns. People like to point to last year’s draft, but we’ve seen multiple reports indicating that Sarver intervened real-time. Even Woj was deleting tweets with our draft. I don’t like Gambo, but Suns fans just like to trash Gambo because he says a lot of stuff they don’t want to hear.

[Wilber85]

Y'all keep talking about shooters. Sign me up for a defensive pass first PG. I will take Rubio! Sign me up. Isn't booker a shooter, oubre can somewhat shoot, bridges 3 & D, Ayton stretching out his 3 ball? Then find a PF with defense and a shot

I think Rubio is the perfect fit.

[bwgood77]

Pippen?! Did you just compare KO to 1 of the NBAs greatest defensive players ever? He has talent but wow. I would argue he's not even the best on his own team. Bridges has way more potential and won't cost us 15/yr.

Also I would'nt call a Dlo signing stop gap. He's easily the best FA we can hope for while filling a huge need and being Bookers best friend.

Pippen also averaged over 5 apg for his career and was over 6 per game by his 4th year. Oubre's best average assist per game in a year has been 1.2.

I hope it wasn't unfortunate that we ended up with Oubre because I doubt had we not signed Ariza that we would even be thinking of going after Oubre this summer. I just hope he doesn't end up a bad contract. At least he's working hard so hopefully he takes a big step forward next year.