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2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

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Who do you prefer of the following prospects?

Desmond Bane
12
41%
Saddiq Bey
1
3%
RJ Hampton
1
3%
Kira Lewis Jr
4
14%
Tyrese Maxey
2
7%
Aaron Nesmith
2
7%
Isaac Okoro
1
3%
Jalen Smith
2
7%
Tyrell Terry
2
7%
Patrick Williams
2
7%
 
Total votes: 29

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Post#1241 » by Weemsickew14 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:34 pm

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Now imagine him replacing Kaminsky for a much cheaper contractual cost! :nod:

Was saying this a few days ago. Imagine drafting Vassell/Bey and getting Jalen Smith. We would get depth with cheap rookie contracts.
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Post#1242 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:59 pm

Mjee wrote:wow Jalen Smith looks really good .... he's definitely an option I would seriously consider


Yeah, I've been saying this for a bit now too. I really think he's the perfect 3 an D 4/5 option for us in a trade back scenario. His floor spacing and elite shotblocking would help our team immensely! :wink:
And just imagine as he keeps improving, If he can improve his ball handling and fluidity? :o

I see him as a Serge Ibaka ( Offense) / Larry Sanders ( defense). Check this draft profile video out k. Hoops Intellect does amazing work!


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Post#1243 » by Weemsickew14 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:15 pm

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Mjee wrote:wow Jalen Smith looks really good .... he's definitely an option I would seriously consider


Yeah, I've been saying this for a bit now too. I really think he's the perfect 3 an D 4/5 option for us in a trade back scenario. His floor spacing and elite shotblocking would help our team immensely! :wink:
And just imagine as he keeps improving, If he can improve his ball handling and fluidity? :o

I see him as a Serge Ibaka ( Offense) / Larry Sanders ( defense). Check this draft profile video out k. Hoops Intellect does amazing work!


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Would not be surprised if he is the pick at 10. I think he will for sure be picked between 10-20
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1244 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:31 pm

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Some really interesting content on draft strategy, As well as perspective on this particular draft from Spencer Perlman. A really great writer for the Stepian, And someone who has consulted with the suns on draft prospects/ scouting. And has a really keen eye with respect to potential fits, talent, etc. Definitely should check it out! :wink:
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1245 » by Blonde » Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:22 pm

A lot of people have mentioned Maxey as a good fit. He’s lower on my board but I do have his upside as quite high. Don’t see him as Jones target though.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1246 » by bwgood77 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:23 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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Some really interesting content on draft strategy, As well as perspective on this particular draft from Spencer Perlman. A really great writer for the Stepian, And someone who has consulted with the suns on draft prospects/ scouting. And has a really keen eye with respect to potential fits, talent, etc. Definitely should check it out! :wink:


I will probably listen to...who did he like for the Suns? I see Maxey mentioned below. Who else? I know he's high on Kira Lewis and Poku...and Hayes.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1247 » by darealjuice » Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:02 am

I admittedly haven't watched a lot of this year's prospects yet, but I like what I've seen from Kira Lewis Jr. so far. He's very fast and quick, does a good job using change of speed and direction to keep defenders off balance, and I like his crafty footwork and finishing in the paint. Looks like a comfortable 3-point shooter too, and has the 3PT% and FT% to help projecting his shot out. Seems a little turnover prone, but I wonder how much of that relates to how fast they played at Alabama. He reminds me of Dennis Schroder.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1248 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:04 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
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Some really interesting content on draft strategy, As well as perspective on this particular draft from Spencer Perlman. A really great writer for the Stepian, And someone who has consulted with the suns on draft prospects/ scouting. And has a really keen eye with respect to potential fits, talent, etc. Definitely should check it out! :wink:


I will probably listen to...who did he like for the Suns? I see Maxey mentioned below. Who else? I know he's high on Kira Lewis and Poku...and Hayes.


Kiras' #1 on his board. He said that's who he'd take at 10 for sure IF he's there, And that he loves his elite speed and abilty to playoff the ball. He then mentioned that if Hayes somehow falls to 10, You run up their without hesitation! And make your submission as fast as you can! He also mentioned really liking the potential of Poku! He said that he's probably the one prospect in a long time that actually deserves the unicorn title. He also mentioned loving the idea of potentially trading back for value and getting two solid players! Specifically mentioned Desmond Bane ( His favorite prospect in the draft, Andcalso said that he's the best shooter in the draft. He also said he's pretty high on Malachi Flynn and thinks that either he or Bane would be a perfect fit for the Suns! He said that IF you can walk out of the draft with both Banes and Flynn or basically two solid ready to contribute players, That would be an A+ draft in his opinion. :wink:
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1249 » by TheLogician » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:26 pm

For me it's either Okongwu/Toppin at #10 or trade back for Smith and Flynn/Pritchard.
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Post#1250 » by Saberestar » Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:10 pm

The hype around Pokusevski is disproportionate and I wouldn't draft him at #10.

The guy has been playing in the 2nd Greek division and he hasn't shown nothing against good competition. It's all smoke so far.

I have seen some people comparing him to Antetokoumpo, but he doesn't have his athletic ability AT ALL. Crazy comparison to me.
He reminds me of Bender, but probably worse because Bender was a better defender.

I will watch more about Kira Lewis, interesting that Spencer has it #1. This draft is really open at the top.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1251 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:35 pm

Saberestar wrote:The hype around Pokusevski is disproportionate and I wouldn't draft him at #10.

The guy has been playing in the 2nd Greek division and he hasn't shown nothing against good competition. It's all smoke so far.

I have seen some people comparing him to Antetokoumpo, but he doesn't have his athletic ability AT ALL. Crazy comparison to me.
He reminds me of Bender, but probably worse because Bender was a better defender.

I will watch more about Kira Lewis, interesting that Spencer has it #1. This draft is really open at the top.
Yeah Im not on the Pokusevski train, those ultra skinny bigs scare me. It would be an interesting pick in regards to James Jones zigging from what we assume he likes in a draft pick though.

Lewis is someone I'm really high on. Now he's skinny too but I don't care as much with a PG. I'm curious if we get measurements because if he's really 6'3 with a 6'6 wingspan then he's good enough size wise for me. I love speed, feel it's an underrated trait for a PG. When your PG can fly like that it puts pressure on a D and can get you good matchups against even good defenses. This would be a good situation for Lewis getting to learn from Rubio for a couple years and even having Payne around for a year would be good because it gives him competition for playing time so he'd have to earn minutes and they are similar enough skills sets where you wouldn't have to change how that second unit plays with either guy. I thought Payne's speed was a huge boost for the second unit in Orlando and if you draft Lewis you're hoping for a better long-term version of that. I'd be very happy with him at 10 (assuming Haliburton is gone).

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1252 » by Blonde » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:34 pm

Saberestar wrote:The hype around Pokusevski is disproportionate and I wouldn't draft him at #10.

The guy has been playing in the 2nd Greek division and he hasn't shown nothing against good competition. It's all smoke so far.

I have seen some people comparing him to Antetokoumpo, but he doesn't have his athletic ability AT ALL. Crazy comparison to me.
He reminds me of Bender, but probably worse because Bender was a better defender.

I will watch more about Kira Lewis, interesting that Spencer has it #1. This draft is really open at the top.

Pearlman actually did not have Lewis as his #1 pick, not sure why Ghost reported that. I think he said Lewis was the 3rd PG on his board (behind Ball and Hayes) but Lewis would likely be his best available where we pick at 10. I believe he has Poku 2nd overall.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1253 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:09 pm

The way that I see it with the draft, We will have at least 3 open roster spots for depth to fill this offseason ( Maybe even 4)??? These are:
1- Okobo.
2- Kaminsky.
3- Diallo.
*** And then maybe either Jerome or Lecque gets moved as well. So if that's the case, then we possibly will have spots for 2 guards, and 2 big men. And with the draft prospects being on rookie scale contracts, Using it to fill our positional needs for bench depth would obviously be much more cost effective for Sarver than whatever he might bid for a free agent to replace those same positions anyways. So with respect to that, We should look at least two if not three prospects to replace Okobo, Kaminsky, And Diallo! :wink: For my part, I'd love to see this happen:

Okobo-
Replaced by either Riller or Lewis, (* or maybe even Malachi Flynn)??

Kaminsky-
Replaced by either Jalen Smith ( preferably) or Saddiq Bey or Killian Tillie?

Diallo-
Replaced by Paul Reed or Xavier Tillman or Daniel Oturu?

Jerome*** Replaced by Desmond Bane? :nod:

Perhaps the best draft night scenario would have us drafting EITHER Lewis or Riller at 10, And then buying a mid-late first for a big in Jalen Smith ( preferably) or one of Paul Reed or Tyler Bey. I am really intrigued by what Spencer mentioned in a trade back scenario, Wherein we draft some combination of great, high IQ, ready to contribute two way impact players!
Perhaps any combination of:

1- Jalen Smith/ Desmond Bane.
2- Saddiq Bey/ Malachi Flynn.
3- Kira Lewis/ Jalen Smith.
4- Grant Riller/ Jalen Smith.

5- Desmond Bane/ Tyler Bey/ Malachi Flynn.
6- Kira Lewis/ Tyler Bey/ Xavier Tillman.
7- Saddiq Bey/ Malachi Flynn/ Xavier Tillman.
8- Desmond Bane/ Malachi Flynn/ Xavier Tillman.
9- Grant Riller/ Saddiq Bey/ Xavier Tillman.
10- Desmond Bane/ Saddiq Bey/ Jalen Smith?
11- Kira Lewis/ Tyler Bey/ Killian Tillie.
12- Grant Riller/ Tyler Bey/ Killian Tillie.
13- *Jalen Smith/ Desmond Bane/ Malachi Flynn.
14- Grant Riller/ Desmond Bane/ Killian Tillie.
15- Desmond Bane/ Tyler Bey/ Killian Tillie.
*** Desmond Bane/ Killian Tillie/ Malachi Flynn.
If you could choose any of these combinations to walk out of the draft with, Which one would it be? And Why is that the best combination for our bench in terms of value? :D
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1254 » by TheLogician » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:51 pm

I like Lewis but the advanced stats aren't great. The highlights make me think he would be a good fit, though. Bane seems like another George King or Davon Reed. No interest. I would be okay with Haliburton but wish he could create his own shot. He also has an awkward jumper. No interest in the Serbian big. Too skinny and stats are Benderish. I like that Riller gets to the line. I wouldn't mind him off the bench.
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Post#1255 » by bhawk » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:31 pm

TheLogician wrote:I like Lewis but the advanced stats aren't great. The highlights make me think he would be a good fit, though. Bane seems like another George King or Davon Reed. No interest. I would be okay with Haliburton but wish he could create his own shot. He also has an awkward jumper. No interest in the Serbian big. Too skinny and stats are Benderish. I like that Riller gets to the line. I wouldn't mind him off the bench.


My favorite player at 10 is - BY FAR - Grant Riller. What do the advanced stats say about this guy? The tape looks phenomenal... take a look... it was posted a few pages back.

While I agree that speed is an important leading indicator and a nice trait with Kira Lewis. Proven ball handling and finishing is more important. I have Riller well above Kira Lewis. Riller is a better shot creator, finisher and ball handler. Kira has long-term starting potential, and will need time/work to get there. Riller would be our immediate back-up to Rubio and has near term starter and even all-star potential. The dude looks legit. Comps of Lilliard or Deron Williams are spot on.
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Post#1256 » by Saberestar » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:18 pm

Blonde wrote:
Saberestar wrote:The hype around Pokusevski is disproportionate and I wouldn't draft him at #10.

The guy has been playing in the 2nd Greek division and he hasn't shown nothing against good competition. It's all smoke so far.

I have seen some people comparing him to Antetokoumpo, but he doesn't have his athletic ability AT ALL. Crazy comparison to me.
He reminds me of Bender, but probably worse because Bender was a better defender.

I will watch more about Kira Lewis, interesting that Spencer has it #1. This draft is really open at the top.

Pearlman actually did not have Lewis as his #1 pick, not sure why Ghost reported that. I think he said Lewis was the 3rd PG on his board (behind Ball and Hayes) but Lewis would likely be his best available where we pick at 10. I believe he has Poku 2nd overall.


Oh thanks.

I would try to hear it later.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1257 » by TheLogician » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:56 pm

bhawk wrote:
TheLogician wrote:I like Lewis but the advanced stats aren't great. The highlights make me think he would be a good fit, though. Bane seems like another George King or Davon Reed. No interest. I would be okay with Haliburton but wish he could create his own shot. He also has an awkward jumper. No interest in the Serbian big. Too skinny and stats are Benderish. I like that Riller gets to the line. I wouldn't mind him off the bench.


My favorite player at 10 is - BY FAR - Grant Riller. What do the advanced stats say about this guy? The tape looks phenomenal... take a look... it was posted a few pages back.

While I agree that speed is an important leading indicator and a nice trait with Kira Lewis. Proven ball handling and finishing is more important. I have Riller well above Kira Lewis. Riller is a better shot creator, finisher and ball handler. Kira has long-term starting potential, and will need time/work to get there. Riller would be our immediate back-up to Rubio and has near term starter and even all-star potential. The dude looks legit. Comps of Lilliard or Deron Williams are spot on.


Yeah, I'm warming up to Riller. The only real negative stat-wise is his AST/TO. Not a big deal if he's coming off the bench as a sixth man. I think we could definitely trade down for him.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1258 » by bwgood77 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:49 pm

Saberestar wrote:The hype around Pokusevski is disproportionate and I wouldn't draft him at #10.

The guy has been playing in the 2nd Greek division and he hasn't shown nothing against good competition. It's all smoke so far.

I have seen some people comparing him to Antetokoumpo, but he doesn't have his athletic ability AT ALL. Crazy comparison to me.
He reminds me of Bender, but probably worse because Bender was a better defender.

I will watch more about Kira Lewis, interesting that Spencer has it #1. This draft is really open at the top.


Well I think Kira is who he thinks will be there. He also said he'd take Hayes over him. I know Kira is 4th on his PG board.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1259 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:10 pm

Blonde wrote:
Saberestar wrote:The hype around Pokusevski is disproportionate and I wouldn't draft him at #10.

The guy has been playing in the 2nd Greek division and he hasn't shown nothing against good competition. It's all smoke so far.

I have seen some people comparing him to Antetokoumpo, but he doesn't have his athletic ability AT ALL. Crazy comparison to me.
He reminds me of Bender, but probably worse because Bender was a better defender.

I will watch more about Kira Lewis, interesting that Spencer has it #1. This draft is really open at the top.

Pearlman actually did not have Lewis as his #1 pick, not sure why Ghost reported that. I think he said Lewis was the 3rd PG on his board (behind Ball and Hayes) but Lewis would likely be his best available where we pick at 10. I believe he has Poku 2nd overall.


Apolgies! It was a long night, And I was sincerely trying to remember everything in context as best as I could But may have gotten mixed up in that regard. Anyways, at 10, assuming that neither ball nor Hayes would make it that far, Then yes! Lewis is a very solid pick. Although I for my part, Have Riller and Lewis pretty much even in my rankings as potential prospects at 10. But overall, I'm really starting to lean towards Jalen Smith at 10 with the plethora of side value guards that would still be available mid to late first. :wink:
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#1260 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:16 pm

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bhawk wrote:
TheLogician wrote:I like Lewis but the advanced stats aren't great. The highlights make me think he would be a good fit, though. Bane seems like another George King or Davon Reed. No interest. I would be okay with Haliburton but wish he could create his own shot. He also has an awkward jumper. No interest in the Serbian big. Too skinny and stats are Benderish. I like that Riller gets to the line. I wouldn't mind him off the bench.


My favorite player at 10 is - BY FAR - Grant Riller. What do the advanced stats say about this guy? The tape looks phenomenal... take a look... it was posted a few pages back.

While I agree that speed is an important leading indicator and a nice trait with Kira Lewis. Proven ball handling and finishing is more important. I have Riller well above Kira Lewis. Riller is a better shot creator, finisher and ball handler. Kira has long-term starting potential, and will need time/work to get there. Riller would be our immediate back-up to Rubio and has near term starter and even all-star potential. The dude looks legit. Comps of Lilliard or Deron Williams are spot on.


Yeah, I'm warming up to Riller. The only real negative stat-wise is his AST/TO. Not a big deal if he's coming off the bench as a sixth man. I think we could definitely trade down for him.


The only real negative stat-wise is his AST/TO.

And if that's his only real glaring weakness, Then imagine how great he could become after a season or two being mentored by Rubio! :D

My current ideal scenario has us taking Jalen Smith at 10, And then purchasing a pick for Riller in the mid first round. Lastly buying a 2nd round pick for a 3rd string backup center as Baynes insurance. :nod:
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