2021-22 Season Discussion and Speculation

[bwgood77]

That’s fine but the point still remains he couldn’t get to the finals till he joined the Suns. Doesn’t matter if it’s because the ‘90s Bulls stood in his way or the Warriors dynasty or whatever.

Excuses work both ways, Booker (and Bridges & Ayton) had complete garbage around him until the season before CP3 joined. Then the team looked decent till Ayton got suspended and then after he came back they went 8-0 in the bubble even with Rubio.

OK, we differ on the way we look at things. I think if we are looking at things non biased or if any non biased fans look at us making the finals knocking out the Nuggets with their 2nd best player being Gordon and Rivers/Campuzzo at guards and the Clips with Reggie Jackson as the 2nd best player they wouldn't view those teams as tough as the Warriors or earlier Thunder.

Maybe I'm wrong. Whether excuse or not, CP3 had an easier rode even if the team was as good or better than his Clips with Griffin or those Rockets that almost beat Harden.

Just as I mentioned I don't think our path to the finals playing those teams with those players were as tough of teams as the Spurs, Mavs or 2010 Lakers against SSOL or the Lakers, Blazer, Sonics, Rockets in 89-95.

But we did make it and if you view this team as better than those and the road just as tough as many do as I see in the other thread, it's just a difference of opinion.

I think those teams you mentioned in the past are better than the injured teams we faced. But it wasn’t just tough competition that stopped CP3, it was his own health too. He often had to take on a heavy load for his teams in the past which led to him constantly being hurt and missing bunch of games both in reg season and/or playoffs. Last season he had enough help on this team so he was really able to save his body throughout the whole season.

I just disagree with the narrative that CP3 alone is the reason the Suns aren’t one of the very worst teams in the league. He’s a major part of it for sure but Suns already started looking better and building a winning culture before he came. CP3 himself has mentioned how impressed he was with the Suns during the bubble and that basically made him realize that Suns are ready to become a title contender hence why he wanted to come here along with the Monty and Book connection.

Well if that's what you are arguing, then I agree. He is not the only reason they are not one of the worst teams. I just think he is the primary reason we are one of the best. Without him I think we'd be a fringe playoff team. Not only his play, but leadership and helping establish the work ethic on defense you need to compete and helping guys improve offensively and teaching them the little things throughout practices and games. But yes, of course Booker and Ayton and Bridges play a big part in our success too but I think Paul makes it possible.

[Slim Charless]

I would never trade for Kyrie. He is dumb as a rock.

A motivated, healthy Kyrie swings the Eastern conference. Whether he's playing with Brooklyn or decides that he's fine with Philadelphia. Either way, adding him to 1 of those teams makes them the favorite over Milwaukee and anyone else over there.

KD and Kyrie were otw to sweeping the "champs" till Irving got injured. He's 1 of the 15 best players in the league when he's on. No debate imo.

And prime MJ would swing it another way. But neither prime MJ nor motivated healthy Kyrie exists anymore.

I think he plays this season and decides who comes out of the East.

[Saberestar]

We should be on all these. Buyout market with the rest of our MLE, Saric's DPE, Jalen/Hutch/Elfrid, and depending on the get, some of our future draft picks. There are a ton of teams who are plain bad, looking to tank, some looking to blow it up and tank, and some players just stuck in not a good situation for them.
Indiana is set at PG, loaded on the wings, and looking to make moves. I don't think that any of Craig/Lamb/Holiday are untouchable, especially if they trade Turner. Or Sabonis for young group of talent like Wisemann, Moody, Kuminga. That's a reset where we could scoop in... If Portland blows it up trading Dame, do they really need Nance? Pelicans could have some guys who could be salvaged from that train wreck. Houston ditto. Detroit, why not? Thad from SA like up here? T. Ross from Orlando for Jalen and Hutch works in the trade machine, would they say no if we add a 2nd? Favors also works (while he is a bit lumbering to be anything else than a 5), but I'm sure he either gets bought out or traded for a second and filler at the deadline. That's just off the top of my head. Not saying any of these guys would be moved, but some of them are very likely.
JJ get to work, get us the final puzzle, get us the title! You can be pretty sure that the Warriors brass is looking at everything with that warchest of the Wiggins contract, Wisemann, Moody, Kuminga+whatever pick they have. They could get a legit all star if they wanted and I'm pretty sure they will if opportunity knocks and Klay is back to his old self after his return (which is not a given, just saying). Imagine if they traded Wiggins and some of these youngsters for a Siakam or Sabonis... Even Turner would be nasty for them with his range and D.

I like Ross, but I am not sure about his fit on the roster. He can't play PF. He is an SG who can play some SF but he needs a lot of shots per game.

With Cam Johnson and Shamet already on the bench I don't think James Jones trades for Ross or Lamb/Holliday from the Pacers. Craig back? Not happening.

Larry Nance has been disappointing for the Blazers. I would pass, he has another year on his contract.

[Blonde]

We’re not in all that different of a position than the Bucks were in last offseason. They were contenders but needed to push themselves over the top to maximize Giannis and convince him from leaving in free agency. They pushed all their chips in for Holiday in what was definitely an overpay but totally worth it in the end. And you better believe Golden State is going to try the same to maximize their opportunity this year.

The Suns don’t have to convince CP3 to stay next year, but this may be the last year he plays at an elite level. After he falls off the team will fall out of contention. We’re already seen as inner circle contenders, but is there something we can do to push ourselves over the top? Burning first round picks on a Thad rental makes us better, but over the top? No. Nance? Meh. Enter: Jerami Grant. Maybe not a star worth 2-3 first round picks in a vacuum, but does he elevate us above Golden State, Milwaukee, Brooklyn, and Utah? Does he address our current weakness (defending big wings)? Does he fit moving forward if we don’t reach our ultimate goal? I think yes to all of the above. Would Detroit trade him? Their fans seem ready to cash in now. Our distant first rounders in a post Paul world could be very enticing to a team just beginning their rebuild. His salary is small enough that there are several different ways to make a trade work (unlike Siakam who could also be available).

[spanishninja]

We’re not in all that different of a position than the Bucks were in last offseason. They were contenders but needed to push themselves over the top to maximize Giannis and convince him from leaving in free agency. They pushed all their chips in for Holiday in what was definitely an overpay but totally worth it in the end. And you better believe Golden State is going to try the same to maximize their opportunity this year.

The Suns don’t have to convince CP3 to stay next year, but this may be the last year he plays at an elite level. After he falls off the team will fall out of contention. We’re already seen as inner circle contenders, but is there something we can do to push ourselves over the top? Burning first round picks on a Thad rental makes us better, but over the top? No. Nance? Meh. Enter: Jerami Grant. Maybe not a star worth 2-3 first round picks in a vacuum, but does he elevate us above Golden State, Milwaukee, Brooklyn, and Utah? Does he address our current weakness (defending big wings)? Does he fit moving forward if we don’t reach our ultimate goal? I think yes to all of the above. Would Detroit trade him? Their fans seem ready to cash in now. Our distant first rounders in a post Paul world could be very enticing to a team just beginning their rebuild. His salary is small enough that there are several different ways to make a trade work (unlike Siakam who could also be available).

I was thinking of Grant the other night when we played the Pistons. Almost seemed like he was showing off to the Suns in hopes we would trade for him

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[Saberestar]

We’re not in all that different of a position than the Bucks were in last offseason. They were contenders but needed to push themselves over the top to maximize Giannis and convince him from leaving in free agency. They pushed all their chips in for Holiday in what was definitely an overpay but totally worth it in the end. And you better believe Golden State is going to try the same to maximize their opportunity this year.

The Suns don’t have to convince CP3 to stay next year, but this may be the last year he plays at an elite level. After he falls off the team will fall out of contention. We’re already seen as inner circle contenders, but is there something we can do to push ourselves over the top? Burning first round picks on a Thad rental makes us better, but over the top? No. Nance? Meh. Enter: Jerami Grant. Maybe not a star worth 2-3 first round picks in a vacuum, but does he elevate us above Golden State, Milwaukee, Brooklyn, and Utah? Does he address our current weakness (defending big wings)? Does he fit moving forward if we don’t reach our ultimate goal? I think yes to all of the above. Would Detroit trade him? Their fans seem ready to cash in now. Our distant first rounders in a post Paul world could be very enticing to a team just beginning their rebuild. His salary is small enough that there are several different ways to make a trade work (unlike Siakam who could also be available).

I would love to get Jerami Grant.

[lilfishi22]

It’s funny to see comments like this. Before coming here, CP3 never sniffed the Finals once in his entire career and was seen as a playoff choker. Then last season he gets traded to Suns and in his first season with the team, he finally after a million years in the league finally gets to the Finals.

Well, he was always stopped by that juggernaut Warriors team before, and I think at least once by the Thunder when they had KD, Serge and Westbrook. Can't remember if they ever ran into the TD/Kawhi Spurs.

That’s fine but the point still remains he couldn’t get to the finals till he joined the Suns. Doesn’t matter if it’s because the ‘90s Bulls stood in his way or the Warriors dynasty or whatever.

Excuses work both ways, Booker (and Bridges & Ayton) had complete garbage around him until the season before CP3 joined. Then the team looked decent till Ayton got suspended and then after he came back they went 8-0 in the bubble even with Rubio.

It's a bit incredulous to say it's all CP3 but his impact is undeniable. We couldn't make the playoffs, let alone the Finals without CP3 and that's proven after a decade of being a complete rat team. He's arguably more important in accelerating the Suns change in culture and rise to elite status than any other player or coach IMO. I'll just say this in support of Book/Ayton/Brides/Monty though and that's we were already on an upward trajectory and I think last season we very well could've made playoffs (not just play-ins) but I think we going deep in the playoffs requires playoff experience and we just didn't have any of that. CP3 not only cemented as an elite team last season but his experience and skillset stabilised our team when things go rough. Essentially, CP3 saved us potentially 1-3 playoffs worth of bumps, bruises and experience required to "breakthrough" and reach a new level. And who knows, we may never have gotten to this level without him.

CP3 couldn't make the Finals without this specific team which complemented his skillset so well but at the same time, we wouldn't have been able to go that far either without an elite talent like him steering the ship

[Ghost of Kleine]

Jerami Grant showed we still have a bit of trouble with big forwards.

If there's a reason we're playing with 14 on the roster Thad Young buyout might be it.

We can make this happen, And we do need a bit of an upgrade ( boost) to our bench. I'm sorry but Nader, Hutchinson and Wainwright (whom I actually like) just aren't solid enough th o get it done for us. They needed more actual playing time with our starters to get better integrated into our system. We actually need upgrades in three areas:

- Perimeter ( 3 pt defense) ........Chris Boucher or Robert Covington or perhaps James Johnson?

- Rebounding ................Tristan Thompson or maybe Derrick Favors or even Enes Freedom or Jared Vanderbilt via small trade? Or Tyler Bey on a minimum? Or of course Thad Young as a buyout candidate?

- Microwave scoring.................. Could there be a potential trade for Joe ingles that we can pursue? Or perhaps a trade for Doug McDermott? Could we even consider trading for Eric Gordon? Could we look at either Bryn Forbes or Langston Galloway as a potential bring back consideration?

[Ghost of Kleine]

We should be on all these. Buyout market with the rest of our MLE, Saric's DPE, Jalen/Hutch/Elfrid, and depending on the get, some of our future draft picks. There are a ton of teams who are plain bad, looking to tank, some looking to blow it up and tank, and some players just stuck in not a good situation for them.
Indiana is set at PG, loaded on the wings, and looking to make moves. I don't think that any of Craig/Lamb/Holiday are untouchable, especially if they trade Turner. Or Sabonis for young group of talent like Wisemann, Moody, Kuminga. That's a reset where we could scoop in... If Portland blows it up trading Dame, do they really need Nance? Pelicans could have some guys who could be salvaged from that train wreck. Houston ditto. Detroit, why not? Thad from SA like up here? T. Ross from Orlando for Jalen and Hutch works in the trade machine, would they say no if we add a 2nd? Favors also works (while he is a bit lumbering to be anything else than a 5), but I'm sure he either gets bought out or traded for a second and filler at the deadline. That's just off the top of my head. Not saying any of these guys would be moved, but some of them are very likely.
JJ get to work, get us the final puzzle, get us the title! You can be pretty sure that the Warriors brass is looking at everything with that warchest of the Wiggins contract, Wisemann, Moody, Kuminga+whatever pick they have. They could get a legit all star if they wanted and I'm pretty sure they will if opportunity knocks and Klay is back to his old self after his return (which is not a given, just saying). Imagine if they traded Wiggins and some of these youngsters for a Siakam or Sabonis... Even Turner would be nasty for them with his range and D.

I know that it's easily a point of debate to most, that the likelihood that we could've signed these players, is questionable, and it's only one game after all. But missing on scooping up Payton 2nd when he was originally cut by the wizards and choosing Elf instead, And then missing on adding Bjelica ( optimal Saric replacement) and Otto Porter in free agency is not a good look for us in hindsight currently. I mean who would you rather have currently?

Hutchinson and Nader or still have Craig and then could've added Gary Payton 2nd to be mentored by Paul whilst not signing Elfrid Payton! Also moving Payne to a 6th man role where he's best suited honestly! I do also agree that certain teams are going to be looking to offload salary once they determine their not going to seriously compete. Indiana will be ripe for the picking soon!

I'd love to swap out Nader/ Hutchinson for either Holiday or Craig.

[Slim Charless]

We should be on all these. Buyout market with the rest of our MLE, Saric's DPE, Jalen/Hutch/Elfrid, and depending on the get, some of our future draft picks. There are a ton of teams who are plain bad, looking to tank, some looking to blow it up and tank, and some players just stuck in not a good situation for them.
Indiana is set at PG, loaded on the wings, and looking to make moves. I don't think that any of Craig/Lamb/Holiday are untouchable, especially if they trade Turner. Or Sabonis for young group of talent like Wisemann, Moody, Kuminga. That's a reset where we could scoop in... If Portland blows it up trading Dame, do they really need Nance? Pelicans could have some guys who could be salvaged from that train wreck. Houston ditto. Detroit, why not? Thad from SA like up here? T. Ross from Orlando for Jalen and Hutch works in the trade machine, would they say no if we add a 2nd? Favors also works (while he is a bit lumbering to be anything else than a 5), but I'm sure he either gets bought out or traded for a second and filler at the deadline. That's just off the top of my head. Not saying any of these guys would be moved, but some of them are very likely.
JJ get to work, get us the final puzzle, get us the title! You can be pretty sure that the Warriors brass is looking at everything with that warchest of the Wiggins contract, Wisemann, Moody, Kuminga+whatever pick they have. They could get a legit all star if they wanted and I'm pretty sure they will if opportunity knocks and Klay is back to his old self after his return (which is not a given, just saying). Imagine if they traded Wiggins and some of these youngsters for a Siakam or Sabonis... Even Turner would be nasty for them with his range and D.

I know that it's easily a point of debate to most, that the likelihood that we could've signed these players, is questionable, and it's only one game after all. But missing on scooping up Payton 2nd when he was originally cut by the wizards and choosing Elf instead, And then missing on adding Bjelica ( optimal Saric replacement) and Otto Porter in free agency is not a good look for us in hindsight currently. I mean who would you rather have currently?

Hutchinson and Nader or still have Craig and then could've added Gary Payton 2nd to be mentored by Paul whilst not signing Elfrid Payton! Also moving Payne to a 6th man role where he's best suited honestly! I do also agree that certain teams are going to be looking to offload salary once they determine their not going to seriously compete. Indiana will be ripe for the picking soon!

I'd love to swap out Nader/ Hutchinson for either Holiday or Craig.

I think the price tag on Grant will be too much for us since we have no 1st rounder and I don't think either Cam gets it done.

Now, I do think we could maybe grab Marcus Smart from Boston, if they can't right that ship. They need a pure point so maybe a Cam Payne + Stix deal could be worked out? That's if Cam can piece together games that don't look like Friday's and if Smart continues to piss off the Jays in Boston.....

[Jdiddy701]

If I had to guess, I can see the Suns trading for Torrey Craig. I would trade Stix and Nader for him. When Mikal went down the other night, first thing I thought about us was our defense would take a huge hit without Mikal, Torrey Craig fits the bill. Bring him home James Jones.


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[Revived]

OK, we differ on the way we look at things. I think if we are looking at things non biased or if any non biased fans look at us making the finals knocking out the Nuggets with their 2nd best player being Gordon and Rivers/Campuzzo at guards and the Clips with Reggie Jackson as the 2nd best player they wouldn't view those teams as tough as the Warriors or earlier Thunder.

Maybe I'm wrong. Whether excuse or not, CP3 had an easier rode even if the team was as good or better than his Clips with Griffin or those Rockets that almost beat Harden.

Just as I mentioned I don't think our path to the finals playing those teams with those players were as tough of teams as the Spurs, Mavs or 2010 Lakers against SSOL or the Lakers, Blazer, Sonics, Rockets in 89-95.

But we did make it and if you view this team as better than those and the road just as tough as many do as I see in the other thread, it's just a difference of opinion.

I think those teams you mentioned in the past are better than the injured teams we faced. But it wasn’t just tough competition that stopped CP3, it was his own health too. He often had to take on a heavy load for his teams in the past which led to him constantly being hurt and missing bunch of games both in reg season and/or playoffs. Last season he had enough help on this team so he was really able to save his body throughout the whole season.

I just disagree with the narrative that CP3 alone is the reason the Suns aren’t one of the very worst teams in the league. He’s a major part of it for sure but Suns already started looking better and building a winning culture before he came. CP3 himself has mentioned how impressed he was with the Suns during the bubble and that basically made him realize that Suns are ready to become a title contender hence why he wanted to come here along with the Monty and Book connection.

Well if that's what you are arguing, then I agree. He is not the only reason they are not one of the worst teams. I just think he is the primary reason we are one of the best. Without him I think we'd be a fringe playoff team. Not only his play, but leadership and helping establish the work ethic on defense you need to compete and helping guys improve offensively and teaching them the little things throughout practices and games. But yes, of course Booker and Ayton and Bridges play a big part in our success too but I think Paul makes it possible.

That’s fair, I agree with that.

[Saberestar]

We should be on all these. Buyout market with the rest of our MLE, Saric's DPE, Jalen/Hutch/Elfrid, and depending on the get, some of our future draft picks. There are a ton of teams who are plain bad, looking to tank, some looking to blow it up and tank, and some players just stuck in not a good situation for them.
Indiana is set at PG, loaded on the wings, and looking to make moves. I don't think that any of Craig/Lamb/Holiday are untouchable, especially if they trade Turner. Or Sabonis for young group of talent like Wisemann, Moody, Kuminga. That's a reset where we could scoop in... If Portland blows it up trading Dame, do they really need Nance? Pelicans could have some guys who could be salvaged from that train wreck. Houston ditto. Detroit, why not? Thad from SA like up here? T. Ross from Orlando for Jalen and Hutch works in the trade machine, would they say no if we add a 2nd? Favors also works (while he is a bit lumbering to be anything else than a 5), but I'm sure he either gets bought out or traded for a second and filler at the deadline. That's just off the top of my head. Not saying any of these guys would be moved, but some of them are very likely.
JJ get to work, get us the final puzzle, get us the title! You can be pretty sure that the Warriors brass is looking at everything with that warchest of the Wiggins contract, Wisemann, Moody, Kuminga+whatever pick they have. They could get a legit all star if they wanted and I'm pretty sure they will if opportunity knocks and Klay is back to his old self after his return (which is not a given, just saying). Imagine if they traded Wiggins and some of these youngsters for a Siakam or Sabonis... Even Turner would be nasty for them with his range and D.

I know that it's easily a point of debate to most, that the likelihood that we could've signed these players, is questionable, and it's only one game after all. But missing on scooping up Payton 2nd when he was originally cut by the wizards and choosing Elf instead, And then missing on adding Bjelica ( optimal Saric replacement) and Otto Porter in free agency is not a good look for us in hindsight currently. I mean who would you rather have currently?

Hutchinson and Nader or still have Craig and then could've added Gary Payton 2nd to be mentored by Paul whilst not signing Elfrid Payton! Also moving Payne to a 6th man role where he's best suited honestly! I do also agree that certain teams are going to be looking to offload salary once they determine their not going to seriously compete. Indiana will be ripe for the picking soon!

I'd love to swap out Nader/ Hutchinson for either Holiday or Craig.

I don't get the fascination with Gary Payton II.

"To be mentored by Paul"? Do you know how old is Gary Payton II? It is funny.

Our roster is great, we did nice moves this offseason but injuries happen so we now need to adjust and get a frontcourt player before the playoffs.

[Slim Charless]

We should be on all these. Buyout market with the rest of our MLE, Saric's DPE, Jalen/Hutch/Elfrid, and depending on the get, some of our future draft picks. There are a ton of teams who are plain bad, looking to tank, some looking to blow it up and tank, and some players just stuck in not a good situation for them.
Indiana is set at PG, loaded on the wings, and looking to make moves. I don't think that any of Craig/Lamb/Holiday are untouchable, especially if they trade Turner. Or Sabonis for young group of talent like Wisemann, Moody, Kuminga. That's a reset where we could scoop in... If Portland blows it up trading Dame, do they really need Nance? Pelicans could have some guys who could be salvaged from that train wreck. Houston ditto. Detroit, why not? Thad from SA like up here? T. Ross from Orlando for Jalen and Hutch works in the trade machine, would they say no if we add a 2nd? Favors also works (while he is a bit lumbering to be anything else than a 5), but I'm sure he either gets bought out or traded for a second and filler at the deadline. That's just off the top of my head. Not saying any of these guys would be moved, but some of them are very likely.
JJ get to work, get us the final puzzle, get us the title! You can be pretty sure that the Warriors brass is looking at everything with that warchest of the Wiggins contract, Wisemann, Moody, Kuminga+whatever pick they have. They could get a legit all star if they wanted and I'm pretty sure they will if opportunity knocks and Klay is back to his old self after his return (which is not a given, just saying). Imagine if they traded Wiggins and some of these youngsters for a Siakam or Sabonis... Even Turner would be nasty for them with his range and D.

I know that it's easily a point of debate to most, that the likelihood that we could've signed these players, is questionable, and it's only one game after all. But missing on scooping up Payton 2nd when he was originally cut by the wizards and choosing Elf instead, And then missing on adding Bjelica ( optimal Saric replacement) and Otto Porter in free agency is not a good look for us in hindsight currently. I mean who would you rather have currently?

Hutchinson and Nader or still have Craig and then could've added Gary Payton 2nd to be mentored by Paul whilst not signing Elfrid Payton! Also moving Payne to a 6th man role where he's best suited honestly! I do also agree that certain teams are going to be looking to offload salary once they determine their not going to seriously compete. Indiana will be ripe for the picking soon!

I'd love to swap out Nader/ Hutchinson for either Holiday or Craig.

I don't get the fascination with Gary Payton II.

"To be mentored by Paul"? Do you know how old is Gary Payton II? It is funny.

Our roster is great, we did nice moves this offseason but injuries happen so we now need to adjust and get a frontcourt player before the playoffs.

Holy ****.

Lol I just checked that. I had no idea. He almost has more in common with CP3's age group than Booker's.

[Ghost of Kleine]

We should be on all these. Buyout market with the rest of our MLE, Saric's DPE, Jalen/Hutch/Elfrid, and depending on the get, some of our future draft picks. There are a ton of teams who are plain bad, looking to tank, some looking to blow it up and tank, and some players just stuck in not a good situation for them.
Indiana is set at PG, loaded on the wings, and looking to make moves. I don't think that any of Craig/Lamb/Holiday are untouchable, especially if they trade Turner. Or Sabonis for young group of talent like Wisemann, Moody, Kuminga. That's a reset where we could scoop in... If Portland blows it up trading Dame, do they really need Nance? Pelicans could have some guys who could be salvaged from that train wreck. Houston ditto. Detroit, why not? Thad from SA like up here? T. Ross from Orlando for Jalen and Hutch works in the trade machine, would they say no if we add a 2nd? Favors also works (while he is a bit lumbering to be anything else than a 5), but I'm sure he either gets bought out or traded for a second and filler at the deadline. That's just off the top of my head. Not saying any of these guys would be moved, but some of them are very likely.
JJ get to work, get us the final puzzle, get us the title! You can be pretty sure that the Warriors brass is looking at everything with that warchest of the Wiggins contract, Wisemann, Moody, Kuminga+whatever pick they have. They could get a legit all star if they wanted and I'm pretty sure they will if opportunity knocks and Klay is back to his old self after his return (which is not a given, just saying). Imagine if they traded Wiggins and some of these youngsters for a Siakam or Sabonis... Even Turner would be nasty for them with his range and D.

I know that it's easily a point of debate to most, that the likelihood that we could've signed these players, is questionable, and it's only one game after all. But missing on scooping up Payton 2nd when he was originally cut by the wizards and choosing Elf instead, And then missing on adding Bjelica ( optimal Saric replacement) and Otto Porter in free agency is not a good look for us in hindsight currently. I mean who would you rather have currently?

Hutchinson and Nader or still have Craig and then could've added Gary Payton 2nd to be mentored by Paul whilst not signing Elfrid Payton! Also moving Payne to a 6th man role where he's best suited honestly! I do also agree that certain teams are going to be looking to offload salary once they determine their not going to seriously compete. Indiana will be ripe for the picking soon!

I'd love to swap out Nader/ Hutchinson for either Holiday or Craig.

I think the price tag on Grant will be too much for us since we have no 1st rounder and I don't think either Cam gets it done.

Now, I do think we could maybe grab Marcus Smart from Boston, if they can't right that ship. They need a pure point so maybe a Cam Payne + Stix deal could be worked out? That's if Cam can piece together games that don't look like Friday's and if Smart continues to piss off the Jays in Boston.....

Fingers crossed on us targeting grant as Crowders' replacement in free agency after next season. Otherwise maybe targeting Wood? Wouldn't mind Smart honestly! Not sure what that trade would look like though either. If we were not to resign Ayton ( Saver )
Then I'd consider an Ayton/ Saric/ Payton for Smart/ Williams/ Sam Hauser ( Cam Johnson bench replacement)? Trade for Valuncias (floor spacing double/double center). Or else pursue
Vucevic in free agency. Timelord provides defense and rebounding at the 4.

[Revived]

I know that it's easily a point of debate to most, that the likelihood that we could've signed these players, is questionable, and it's only one game after all. But missing on scooping up Payton 2nd when he was originally cut by the wizards and choosing Elf instead, And then missing on adding Bjelica ( optimal Saric replacement) and Otto Porter in free agency is not a good look for us in hindsight currently. I mean who would you rather have currently?

Hutchinson and Nader or still have Craig and then could've added Gary Payton 2nd to be mentored by Paul whilst not signing Elfrid Payton! Also moving Payne to a 6th man role where he's best suited honestly! I do also agree that certain teams are going to be looking to offload salary once they determine their not going to seriously compete. Indiana will be ripe for the picking soon!

I'd love to swap out Nader/ Hutchinson for either Holiday or Craig.

I don't get the fascination with Gary Payton II.

"To be mentored by Paul"? Do you know how old is Gary Payton II? It is funny.

Our roster is great, we did nice moves this offseason but injuries happen so we now need to adjust and get a frontcourt player before the playoffs.

Holy ****.

Lol I just checked that. I had no idea. He almost has more in common with CP3's age group than Booker's.

Wow I had no idea either, this whole time whenever I hear his name by media or on here I always thought he was like 22/23 or something.

[SunsRback4Good]

I too thought Gary Payton ll was around 22-23 then I look on BR and see he's nearing 30 which surprised the heck outta me. I had to close my web browser immediately to take a long walk around my park.

[bwgood77]

This is the most changes I've ever seen people want to make on a team that is 19-4. Damn.

[bwgood77]

I think we are probably fine with a 9 man rotation and Nader as an emergency wing if we need him. Even at 8 guys we could handle it. Nader has played poorly this season but on a small sample and last season shot almost 42% from 3. Then if Kaminsky comes back later he is a fine emergency big. I don't think too many teams play much more than an 8 man rotation in the playoffs. Obviously injuries could kill us but if we lose one of our main guys we will be hard pressed no matter what we do. We can't trade for one of these big names so that's pretty pointless.

I seriously doubt they will trade either Cam or Crowder. We are 19-4 and have missed Ayton and Booker for some games. I wouldn't worry too much about things, especially since we will likely be able to get someone in the buyout market. I don't imagine more than 1 guy, maybe 2, but we don't need much. These guys having to step up with injuries and play more minutes, like Cam and Kaminsky I think really helped give them confidence we can use going forward when they return. And we know Monty will use Nader, for better or worse, but he should get better. Hopefully we don't have to use Payton much, but it's possible. Shamet will get better too as he gets used to the team and he can play more minutes as well.

How many teams really have 9 rotation worthy players and a bench better than the Cams, Shamet and McGee? Probably not many, if any. Payne should get better too..he almost has to given his play and come playoffs, we will almost always probably have Booker or Paul on the floor or if not, one of the other starters, most likely Bridges along with Payne, Shamet, Cam and McGee. Do we really have THAT big of a pressing need?

Thad would be a very nice get in the buyout market. I definitely don't think we will take on salary past this season like Craig...who isn't likely available anyway given Indy signing him along with TJ being out and the injury issues with Brogdon and LeVert...and Lamb.

[Bogyo]

This is the most changes I've ever seen people want to make on a team that is 19-4. Damn.

We just want to round out the edges and maximize our chances of winning it all. Plenty of options and needs for that. Not like we are seriously suggesting trading our starting 5-7. If injury comes, or foul trouble comes in the playoffs where Jrue is allowed to beat up Book and CP, while noone is allowed to breathe on Giannis without a shooting foul called we should have the personnel to win a game or two like that with a better and more balanced bench.