2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV

[Frank Lee]

O'Neale is always bricking wide open 3s

Hoist ONeal = Chuck Chowder
1 hot shooting game out of 4

[Saberestar]

O'Neale is always bricking wide open 3s

Hoist ONeal = Chuck Chowder
1 hot shooting game out of 4

Royce O'Neale is the least of our problems for real. He is playing well on his role.

9.7 points
5.0 rebounds
2.1 assists
1.0 steals

40.3% from three shooting 6 per game.
Solid defender. And only 1.0 TOs per game.

You know what you get with him. You are not getting more but not less neither. Yeah, similar to Crowder and PJ Tucker when they were 31 years old, and that’s a good thing.

Talking about role players I don’t like what I see from Allen at his salary. He is a great 3p shooter but his deficiencies on defense and his limitations on offense just make him overpaid as a 6th man/7th man.

[BobbieL]

Only 3-4 wins behind 8th spot. Let's stay positive.

I am positive the best thing that can happen is: that the team misses the play-offs, Ishbia blows it up, fires James Jones, he can even fire Budenholzer, thats not my mon ey -- but hire a GM that will trade Booker and Durant and try to move Allen &/or O'Neal. Its time - get young players, get cap picks, get cap flexibility

[sunsbg]

Only 3-4 wins behind 8th spot. Let's stay positive.

I am positive the best thing that can happen is: that the team misses the play-offs, Ishbia blows it up, fires James Jones, he can even fire Budenholzer, thats not my mon ey -- but hire a GM that will trade Booker and Durant and try to move Allen &/or O'Neal. Its time - get young players, get cap picks, get cap flexibility

I was just replacing Saber's positivity as he's not doing it anymore. Someone needs to keep the spirit high.

[RaisingArizona]

So glad KD stayed so we can miss the playoffs without having any assets to improve moving forward.

[SunsRback4Good]

Only 3-4 wins behind 8th spot. Let's stay positive.

I am positive the best thing that can happen is: that the team misses the play-offs, Ishbia blows it up, fires James Jones, he can even fire Budenholzer, thats not my mon ey -- but hire a GM that will trade Booker and Durant and try to move Allen &/or O'Neal. Its time - get young players, get cap picks, get cap flexibility

I was just replacing Saber's positivity as he's not doing it anymore. Someone needs to keep the spirit high.

Suns finally broke him like Bane broke Batman in The Dark Knight Rises.

[SunsRback4Good]

So glad KD stayed so we can miss the playoffs without having any assets to improve moving forward.

We didn’t need Jimmy butler, besides he’s a better fit with the Dubs. Jimmy wants a fat contract it would have crippled our future and set us back. We just need to trade KD & Booker and get a nice haul for them rebuilding properly.

[bwgood77]

I feel kind of sorry for the Mavs. I hope they do make the playoffs and can get healthy by then because I think with a frontcourt of AD, Lively and Gafford in addition to all the other guys they have, they could be very tough.

Unfortunately they'd be a lot more exciting to watch in the playoffs than us, especially if they have a series against the Lakers. But I think they could give OKC real trouble too with their size. I think they might be the one team that could give OKC trouble. I am not sure about the Lakers. Kind of feels like they are playing over their heads right now, but they will make it.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Things we kind of already knew. But what would the true logistics be for this?

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I still say the package would be centered around Randle/ Reid/ Dillingham/ DET 25' 1st/ MIN 32' 1st. Trevor Lane discusses the above potential possibilities.

[mkot]

I feel kind of sorry for the Mavs. I hope they do make the playoffs and can get healthy by then because I think with a frontcourt of AD, Lively and Gafford in addition to all the other guys they have, they could be very tough.

I'm rooting for them to fail until the team is sold to another owner.

The fans don't deserve this, the players certainly don't deserve this, the ownership and front office certainly do. It's fine you want to trade Luka, it's the way they handle the whole debacle, how they talk **** to Luka on his way out, the way they treat their fans and not making Luka available to 28 other teams. I can't root for Luka because of that jersey

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[mkot]

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Things we kind of already knew. But what would the true logistics be for this?

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I still say the package would be centered around Randle/ Reid/ Dillingham/ DET 25' 1st/ MIN 32' 1st. Trevor Lane discusses the above potential possibilities.

If I'm the Wolves, I wouldn't even entertain the idea of having KD to mentor their young superstar. Edwards is already giving me a bit of the KD vibe when he said he just wants to hoop, kill dudes and go home. He is still learning and trying to take on the leadership role on that team, I'm not sure KD is a good role model for him. Not hating, I really don't think he is a leader. He can talk about how he leads by example blah blah blah, it sure had not work out on all the super team he played on. Basketball wise I'm not sure KD is their missing piece either. They need a PG to replace Conley, KD is not one, he is just an iso scorer, a great one like Edwards is.

[BobbieL]

So glad KD stayed so we can miss the playoffs without having any assets to improve moving forward.

We didn’t need Jimmy butler, besides he’s a better fit with the Dubs. Jimmy wants a fat contract it would have crippled our future and set us back. We just need to trade KD & Booker and get a nice haul for them rebuilding properly.

Yep yep yep!

Fans might even be interested in watching. Apathy is setting in with this team. You get the right young talent and watch it grow, might be a level of curiosity and excitement.

[Saberestar]

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Things we kind of already knew. But what would the true logistics be for this?

Watch on YouTube

I still say the package would be centered around Randle/ Reid/ Dillingham/ DET 25' 1st/ MIN 32' 1st. Trevor Lane discusses the above potential possibilities.

I don't want Randle at all. I know he is a good player but he is too selfish and his defense is always meh.

If we decide to trade KD and the Wolves are serious about get him I would ask to get McDaniels for sure. I wouldn't entertain any Wolves offer if he is not on the package. Period.

McDaniels is 24 years old and improving yet and he is under contract until 2029.

Add to McDaniels the 2028 and 2032 unprotected FRPs. And then you can add some swaps and 2nds.

Then we can add Naz Reid and Dillingham to match salaries and have more upside on the roster.

[BobbieL]

Read on Twitter

Things we kind of already knew. But what would the true logistics be for this?

Watch on YouTube

I still say the package would be centered around Randle/ Reid/ Dillingham/ DET 25' 1st/ MIN 32' 1st. Trevor Lane discusses the above potential possibilities.

Can the Suns still trade Durant like at the time of the draft to get that 2025 Detroit FRP?

[BobbieL]

Read on Twitter

Things we kind of already knew. But what would the true logistics be for this?

Watch on YouTube

I still say the package would be centered around Randle/ Reid/ Dillingham/ DET 25' 1st/ MIN 32' 1st. Trevor Lane discusses the above potential possibilities.

I don't want Randle at all. I know he is a good player but he is too selfish and his defense is always meh.

If we decide to trade KD and the Wolves are serious about get him I would ask to get McDaniels for sure. I wouldn't entertain any Wolves offer if he is not on the package. Period.

McDaniels is 24 years old and improving yet and he is under contract until 2029.

Add to McDaniels the 2028 and 2032 unprotected FRPs. And then you can add some swaps and 2nds.

Then we can add Naz Reid and Dillingham to match salaries and have more upside on the roster.

I would take Randle to make the math work as long as McDaniels is part of the "math" - I hear what you are saying but in a Durant deal and probably a Booker deal - there might be a bad contract thrown in there. And looking at the "math" - for Durant, I think it would have to be Randle + McDaniels for Durant. Randle expires next year - so thats tolerable - at least for me if you get the other two draft picks you mention.

[Saberestar]

Read on Twitter

Things we kind of already knew. But what would the true logistics be for this?

Watch on YouTube

I still say the package would be centered around Randle/ Reid/ Dillingham/ DET 25' 1st/ MIN 32' 1st. Trevor Lane discusses the above potential possibilities.

I don't want Randle at all. I know he is a good player but he is too selfish and his defense is always meh.

If we decide to trade KD and the Wolves are serious about get him I would ask to get McDaniels for sure. I wouldn't entertain any Wolves offer if he is not on the package. Period.

McDaniels is 24 years old and improving yet and he is under contract until 2029.

Add to McDaniels the 2028 and 2032 unprotected FRPs. And then you can add some swaps and 2nds.

Then we can add Naz Reid and Dillingham to match salaries and have more upside on the roster.

I would take Randle to make the math work as long as McDaniels is part of the "math" - I hear what you are saying but in a Durant deal and probably a Booker deal - there might be a bad contract thrown in there. And looking at the "math" - for Durant, I think it would have to be Randle + McDaniels for Durant. Randle expires next year - so thats tolerable - at least for me if you get the other two draft picks you mention.

Well, in that case I would ask for every swap and every 2nd available.

[bullsaficianado]

I feel kind of sorry for the Mavs. I hope they do make the playoffs and can get healthy by then because I think with a frontcourt of AD, Lively and Gafford in addition to all the other guys they have, they could be very tough.

I'm rooting for them to fail until the team is sold to another owner.

The fans don't deserve this, the players certainly don't deserve this, the ownership and front office certainly do. It's fine you want to trade Luka, it's the way they handle the whole debacle, how they talk **** to Luka on his way out, the way they treat their fans and not making Luka available to 28 other teams. I can't root for Luka because of that jersey

Yeah they handled the Luka trade like CIA operatives. Not fair to the fans at all. He should have been put on the market. At the very least it makes it looks respectable even if you are just zoned in on AD for Luka.

[BobbieL]

I don't want Randle at all. I know he is a good player but he is too selfish and his defense is always meh.

If we decide to trade KD and the Wolves are serious about get him I would ask to get McDaniels for sure. I wouldn't entertain any Wolves offer if he is not on the package. Period.

McDaniels is 24 years old and improving yet and he is under contract until 2029.

Add to McDaniels the 2028 and 2032 unprotected FRPs. And then you can add some swaps and 2nds.

Then we can add Naz Reid and Dillingham to match salaries and have more upside on the roster.

I would take Randle to make the math work as long as McDaniels is part of the "math" - I hear what you are saying but in a Durant deal and probably a Booker deal - there might be a bad contract thrown in there. And looking at the "math" - for Durant, I think it would have to be Randle + McDaniels for Durant. Randle expires next year - so thats tolerable - at least for me if you get the other two draft picks you mention.

Well, in that case I would ask for every swap and every 2nd available.

Fair enough -- truly - those are good options to add if taking on Randle
I just did the math and this summer, those two will make 55.7 and Durant 54.7 - so not sure how that works

[Calvin Klein]

In the last podcast Simmons talks about seeing the Spurs game live and the team looking like they have terrible chemistry.

It reminded me of last night. Bud tells Tyus Jones to call time out so he does. Then the broadcast (league pass) shows the Suns bench and they were all sitting there, nobody talking. What the hell is that? Why would you call time out and then not talk?

Maybe it's normal but it looked weird to me.