Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

[stinger14]

Isaiah and Plumlee to the Hornets for big Al Jefferson

No, thanks.

Al with the Suns personnel puts the Suns in the playoffs, and makes them dangerous. Nobody can guard him one on one, and you can't double him leaving the Suns good shooters open

[Sunsdeuce]

Scola trade in review:
Suns get 1st round pick--Goodwin
Green ---we shall see
plumlee--we shall see

Crazy what scola did and will continue to get the Suns. Scola effect continues.

[Revived]

Here is the reality. Plumlee may not be the best but centers are at a premium. Centers are like gold right now even if they are not the best. A late first round is realistic for plumlee.

I mean look what mozgof (or however you spell his name) got the nuggets.

Yea I think we should be able to get a late first for him as well. Surely a contending team finds value in having a guy who at the worst can give 6 fouls,

[Christine-In-AZ]

Dragic 5yr $60m
Wright 4yr $25m

I really like Wright, dude just puts the ball in the hoop...

Dragic is walking if that's the best the Suns can do...and I wouldn't blame him. 2 million per year less than they gave Bledsoe? Bye Gogi!

I really hate this line of thinking even if it does mirror reality occasionally. I don't think Dragic is worth more than 11 or 12 million. And whether we overpaid Bledsoe or not should have no bearing on Dragic's deal. Is Goran worth more than Lowry? Or is he 24 years old and just beginning to show what he can do? If you ("you" being management) think he's worth 14 million then fine, pay him 14 million. But his contract has to stand on it's own, don't make a mistake just because you've already made one. And if you do decide to overpay him, as we did for Eric, do it for a better reason than Bledsoe's contract.

Goran Dragic is worth 15+ million dollars per year, any juxtapostion to the Bledsoe deal isn't important...IMO. He WILL get at least one offer that high, and I think it will be a big mistake if we let him walk. I believe Sarver will step up.

In short, I'm sure (tell me I'm wrong in July) it will require 15 million per year to resign Goran, and Tastic's 5/60 simply won't get it done. At 5/60 Goran is no longer playing for PHX.

[Kerrsed]

I still think there is something brewing.

We ship out Randolph, replacing him with yet another wing, bringing our Big total down to 4 (Keiff/Len/Wright/Plumlee). Now we are actively shopping Plumlee, which would then bring us down to 3 bigs.

Im wondering if we have our eye on someone bigger to fill in that role.

With Traxxe's post about keeping Bledsoe/Tucker/Wright/Len and then the acquisition of Bullock, it shows me that the FO is trying to turn us into a great defensive team.

So what defensive bigs are out there on the block?

[Revived]

Nets fan here. What would a deal for Miles look like from your perspective?

Give us his brother.

Seriously though, probably Teletovic and rights to swap draft picks in one of the upcoming drafts in the next 2 years.

[gaspar]

Isaiah and Plumlee to the Hornets for big Al Jefferson

No, thanks.

Al with the Suns personnel puts the Suns in the playoffs, and makes them dangerous. Nobody can guard him one on one, and you can't double him leaving the Suns good shooters open

We already have Len and Wright who fit much better with the Suns. A slow, injury prone plodder who is terrible defensively is the last thing the Suns need.

[grumpysaddle]

Isaiah and Plumlee to the Hornets for big Al Jefferson

No, thanks.

Al with the Suns personnel puts the Suns in the playoffs, and makes them dangerous. Nobody can guard him one on one, and you can't double him leaving the Suns good shooters open

The Suns would have already shot the ball by the time Jefferson reaches halfcourt. He's on the wrong side of his career for the Suns to have interest in him. He can't play PF effectively anymore, and I'd rather see Len continue to start. There's just no way I see him fitting in on the Suns.

[Qwigglez]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p9qezuc
Boom. There's the trade.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q4rohhj
The Jazz would counter with this.

[Kerrsed]

Isaiah and Plumlee to the Hornets for big Al Jefferson

No, thanks.

Al with the Suns personnel puts the Suns in the playoffs, and makes them dangerous. Nobody can guard him one on one, and you can't double him leaving the Suns good shooters open

At this point in time, a straight up trade of Thomas/Plumlee for Jefferson, i would do.

I know a lot of people were clamoring for us to go after Monroe, and i consider Monroe a young version of Jefferson. They both have the same skillset (strengths and weaknesses) with Jefferson edging out Monroe by a little bit. Add in that veteran leadership, and i think he could really help our squad. Yes he is getting paid a ton of cash, but there really is no great players to go after in FA, and we can always go over the cap to re-sign our own players. If things dont work out with him, thats fine, we really didnt give up much (besides IT) and he is a very large expiring contract next season, one that some team would gamble on, either for his on the court play in a playoff run or as a large salary dump.

Jefferson for Thomas/Plumlee? Sign me up.

[Flying Colors]

what about Taj Gibson, it have to be more than just plumlee, but maybe we add It to to the deal

IT/Plumlee for Taj
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

[Kerrsed]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p9qezuc
Boom. There's the trade.

In a heartbeat.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q4rohhj
The Jazz would counter with this.

Wrong. The Jazz would counter with this:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lfkqzcm

[Revived]

what about Taj Gibson, it have to be more than just plumlee, but maybe we add It to to the deal

IT/Plumlee for Taj
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

I'd be so down.

[Zelaznyrules]

Dragic is walking if that's the best the Suns can do...and I wouldn't blame him. 2 million per year less than they gave Bledsoe? Bye Gogi!

I really hate this line of thinking even if it does mirror reality occasionally. I don't think Dragic is worth more than 11 or 12 million. And whether we overpaid Bledsoe or not should have no bearing on Dragic's deal. Is Goran worth more than Lowry? Or is he 24 years old and just beginning to show what he can do? If you ("you" being management) think he's worth 14 million then fine, pay him 14 million. But his contract has to stand on it's own, don't make a mistake just because you've already made one. And if you do decide to overpay him, as we did for Eric, do it for a better reason than Bledsoe's contract.

Goran Dragic is worth 15+ million dollars per year, any juxtapostion to the Bledsoe deal isn't important...IMO. He WILL get at least one offer that high, and I think it will be a big mistake if we let him walk. I believe Sarver will step up.

In short, I'm sure (tell me I'm wrong in July) it will require 15 million per year to resign Goran, and Tastic's 5/60 simply won't get it done. At 5/60 Goran is no longer playing for PHX.

I can't really contest any of this. Despite what I said earlier I really don't know what Goran's value is. If you look backward, I don't think he's worth the kind of money you and others are talking about as there were very few stars getting that kind of money that aren't on the worst contracts list. But given the rising cap and the numbers that are being talked about for other players (Tristan turning down 12 per for example), it's just anyone's guess where the numbers going forward will shake out. I don't think Goran is worth any more than Lowry but would Lowry sign that deal today? Maybe not. Anyway, like you, I'd rather meet Goran's needs then lose him for nothing so I have no problem if the front office decides 15 million is the number.

[Revived]

What is the max contract that a player who has as many accrued seasons as Dragic can get? Just curious.

[Christine-In-AZ]

60/5 is our best offer for Dragic, I suppose.
I'd be okay with that.

If Sarver, McDonough and Babby have those numbers in their heads now for resigning Goran right now, and think that can keep him in a Phoenix uni after this year, they are idiots.

If 12 million is the Suns "number" then yes! F**king trade him before the deadline 'cause that number won't get it done...not even close.

[Cutter]

I still think there is something brewing.

We ship out Randolph, replacing him with yet another wing, bringing our Big total down to 4 (Keiff/Len/Wright/Plumlee). Now we are actively shopping Plumlee, which would then bring us down to 3 bigs.

Im wondering if we have our eye on someone bigger to fill in that role.

With Traxxe's post about keeping Bledsoe/Tucker/Wright/Len and then the acquisition of Bullock, it shows me that the FO is trying to turn us into a great defensive team.

So what defensive bigs are out there on the block?

A dark horse defensive big that could become available is Serge Ibaka. If OKC continue to struggle they will move to break up their core of Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka. Right now their weakness is a very thin bench. Suns have an abundance of high end bench players and need an upgrade on among their starters.
Suns trade: Markieff, Marcus, Plumleeee
OKC trades: Serge Obaka, Kendrick Perkins (a third team is involved somehow)
Ibaka is a very good defensive PF to put next to Len. A Len-Ibaka-Tucker front court would be a defensive terror. Ibaka is not as good offensively as Kieff, but can score averaging 13 per game. Ibaka brings great shot blocking and defense, plus can play the C position along with Len and Wright.

markieff, Marcus and Plumlee would be a huge upgrade in talent for their bench strength. OKC goes with Adams, Plumlee at center and finally shed the contract of Kendrick Perkins. Marcus Morris would come off the bench at either the 3 or 4 and provide 40% three point shooting on good volume. Markieff replaces Ibaka at the 4, and while not as good defensively is much better offensively and can provide scoring when Durant and Westbrook aren't playing well.

Perkins is somehow traded to a third team.

This seems like a lot to give up for Ibaka, so some work might need to be done on the right pieces. However I do think this is a solid basis for trade that helps both teams.

[nevetsov]

I still think there is something brewing.

We ship out Randolph, replacing him with yet another wing, bringing our Big total down to 4 (Keiff/Len/Wright/Plumlee). Now we are actively shopping Plumlee, which would then bring us down to 3 bigs.

Im wondering if we have our eye on someone bigger to fill in that role.

With Traxxe's post about keeping Bledsoe/Tucker/Wright/Len and then the acquisition of Bullock, it shows me that the FO is trying to turn us into a great defensive team.

So what defensive bigs are out there on the block?

More like something in the Spurs mold:

Len -> Duncan
Bledsoe -> Parker
Goran -> Ginobili
Bullock -> Green
Wright -> Splitter/ KT
IT -> Mills
Too bad Tucker isn't Kahwi Leonard.

[Sunsdeuce]

The Suns are believed to be seeking at least one future first-round pick for the 26-year-old, who was selected 26th overall by Indiana in ‎the 2012 draft, one year before brother Mason was selected No. 22 overall by Brooklyn in the 2013 draft. ESPN.com -


The Phoenix Suns are actively shopping big man Miles Plumlee in advance of the Feb. 19 trade deadline, according to league sources. Sources told ESPN.com ‎that the Suns are working in conjunction with Plumlee's agent, Mark Bartelstein, to try to find a new home for the third-year center, who has seen his playing time steadily dwindle as the season has progressed. ESPN.com

[Kerrsed]

A dark horse defensive big that could become available is Serge Ibaka. If OKC continue to struggle they will move to break up their core of Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka. Right now their weakness is a very thin bench. Suns have an abundance of high end bench players and need an upgrade on among their starters.
Suns trade: Markieff, Marcus, Plumleeee
OKC trades: Serge Obaka, Kendrick Perkins (a third team is involved somehow)
Ibaka is a very good defensive PF to put next to Len. A Len-Ibaka-Tucker front court would be a defensive terror. Ibaka is not as good offensively as Kieff, but can score averaging 13 per game. Ibaka brings great shot blocking and defense, plus can play the C position along with Len and Wright.

markieff, Marcus and Plumlee would be a huge upgrade in talent for their bench strength. OKC goes with Adams, Plumlee at center and finally shed the contract of Kendrick Perkins. Marcus Morris would come off the bench at either the 3 or 4 and provide 40% three point shooting on good volume. Markieff replaces Ibaka at the 4, and while not as good defensively is much better offensively and can provide scoring when Durant and Westbrook aren't playing well.

Perkins is somehow traded to a third team.

This seems like a lot to give up for Ibaka, so some work might need to be done on the right pieces. However I do think this is a solid basis for trade that helps both teams.

I do like your darkhorse idea, as i am a BIG fan of Ibaka's.

I dont think that is alot to give up for Ibaka, and think quite the opposite. I dont think the MoBros and Plumlee get it done. Ibaka has much more value than that, specially trading him to a team in the same conference, and one that they are competing with for that final playoff spot.

So this would be my plan (built upon yours):

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kaz6tpq

Suns get Ibaka
Thunder get MoBros/Lopez
Nets get Perkins/Plumlee/Thomas

We know that OKC has had their eye on Lopez, and this way they get him, with the added benefit of adding the MoBros for added depth.

Nets get a package right around what they were looking for (a large expiring and a young player with potential). They also help cement their relationship with Plumlee (Mason) by picking up his brother.

Suns get them their defensive PF in Ibaka, and also open up playing time on the wings. The subtraction of Thomas helps create unity between in our new 2 PG system.

**EDIT** One amazing stat that has just been drawn to my attention, looking at Ibaka's last 5 games, he is averaging 15.8/8 with 2.5 blocks and shooting an AMAZING 52% from 3!